Moving Forward with Douglas and Saleh

[Smashmouth]

I think moving forward with both is the right decision, if that's how it plays out. Douglas certainly has had some bad luck with the O Line the last few years yes he could have done some things differently but losing players like AVT and McGovern before the line ever had a chance to gel and basically get used to each other in a new offense was a killer. Yes McGovern is a middle of the road Center but I think we were all expecting Tippman to take over at some point and maybe have the option of interchanging McGovern at guard when needed or if one of the guards got nic'd up. The one player who seemed to be the wild card going into the season was Becton and he needs to be sent packing after this season he just cant handle speed rushers and that's simply a big part of what the NFL defenses are doing now so Becton is just not a fit and may wind up backing up somewhere or being moved inside OR just like on the DL be used as a specialist on running downs and short yardage situations on the inside. Ya never know.

Why I say run this back is because the freak injury to Rodgers was a real kick in the balls Like someone here said this team was not making the playoffs with the current back ups we had, and IMHO that was JD's biggest gaff when plenty of competent QB's were there for the taking early and Joe thought better to go with Zach . That could have had Woody smeared all over it but we may never know the full answer to that question. 

I think JD knows the ins and outs of being a GM quite well. He certainly knows how to handle contracts and not over pay which was something Macc had no clue on among other things. I think Joe has probably learned from his past 2 years of hoping OL would stay healthy and will move forward with a rebuilt line which at this point should only Include Tippman (who I believe will develop fine) AVT who will come back and is young enough to overcome that major injury and when it comes to Tomlinson I think surrounding him with better talent will certainly help. I think Tomlinson at times was off his game due to the crap around him and the line not working as a unit or even having a chance too. 

Based on cap situation which others here can better answer the first focus MUST be OL if all our cap must be spent on OL then so be it. I say that because Rodgers will be able to play the QB position just fine he will have Wilson who is a solid #1 and either draft another WR or just deal with what you have. Giving Rodgers full protection and he will get the WR's the ball and Breece Hall will once again be able to have some freedom form the 8 man fronts solely keyed on him. So a healthy Rodgers and a solid OL will be Key. 

Biggest decision is and has to be to move on from Nate Hackett  make him Rodgers personal QB coach since he can voice his opinion with Rodgers due to their relationship that might be a good buffer between Rodgers and a new OC. Woody will have to spend here and one good option for OC is Frank Reich he knows offense and having a top QB will be huge if the Jets were to go that direction. He did good with a young Carson Wentz and Wentz is no Rodgers but that brings me to Back up QB. Wentz is 30 years old he can move and he can throw his problem the last few years were the situations he was in and trying to do too much on inferior teams. If we were to get Wentz on the Cheap convince him to stay behind Rodgers for 2 years we could very well have a 32 year old QB that's very very capable of giving us a solid 5 years and be a  bridge to our next rookie QB .

I don't think any of this is unattainable but the other Wild card is Davonte Adams. We have to build the OL I don't see how this move can happen unless we cheap out on the OL which is obviously NOT an option or if Davonte comes with a cap friendly deal to play with his bud and win a SB. Because lets face it if we were able to solidify the OL Sign Davonte and get that proven OC this team will be back in business pretty quick. I think JD can make this happen we may lose some players in the process but that's just too long of a debate to have just focus on what needs to be done and let it fall into place because its our only option at this point . We have a lot of young players who are very good signing all of them will be hard so our window is about 2 years and when it comes down to those decisions I think JD is the guy I want making them. 

[Creepy Lurker]

There is only moving backwards with them. 

[slimjasi]

[Falco21]

I largely agree with your comments. I do think it is only logical and proper to evaluate everything on a macro scale. When you do, you quickly realize that we have been dealt horrible hands with injuries. JD has put a lot of money and resources into the offensive line, we just have been unable to stay healthy.

With that said, I do also think he deserves a TON of blame for the lack of moves at the trade deadline. He hung his hat on an offensive lineman that has and will likely never see the field. He had plenty of time to make key moves and bring in help on both the line and at receiver, but he never did. I also blame him heavily for the lack of a true backup QB. This entire fanbase was largely yelling at the top of their lungs about signing a quality backup all offseason. He stuck with Zach Wilson, who has been a horrible QB throughout his short career.

A few key things that he will need to do this offseason:

1. Go heavy on offense in both the draft and free agency. Load up on offensive linemen and go out and get a true #2 receiver to pair with Wilson. 
2. Get rid of Hackett and install a true offensive coordinator. Whether that means moving Hackett to QB coach or not, we need someone in here that can run an NFL offense. Brady went to Tampa and ran an entirely new offense, Rodgers can do the same.
3. Force Woody to change the turf and install real grass. It is OBVIOUS that these players are getting hurt on our turf and from recent reports, we are losing out on free agents because of it. I am sure the Giants will agree. Make the change.

This next year is HUGE for this staff. Rodgers getting hurt put a damper on this season, but that can not be an excuse for next year. It is make or break time and they need to start winning and winning big games 

[Rich Thornburgh]

Saleh is a Todd Bowles clone and JD is arguably the worst GM in the entire NFL.  Good thing we have a very humble and knowledgeable owner 

[Smashmouth]

Guys at this point in time I think this may be our only option . Bringing in a new staff and GM would certainly cause issues having to evaluate, put in new O and D systems not a good idea in a short window. We have to go with Joe and Salad and let this play out if they fail in the next 2 years and don't fix obvious flaws then out they go.

Its hard to be positive as a Jets fan but this is the boat we are in, let it play out.

[Smashmouth]

4 minutes ago, Falco21 said:

I largely agree with your comments. I do think it is only logical and proper to evaluate everything on a macro scale. When you do, you quickly realize that we have been dealt horrible hands with injuries. JD has put a lot of money and resources into the offensive line, we just have been unable to stay healthy.

With that said, I do also think he deserves a TON of blame for the lack of moves at the trade deadline. He hung his hat on an offensive lineman that has and will likely never see the field. He had plenty of time to make key moves and bring in help on both the line and at receiver, but he never did. I also blame him heavily for the lack of a true backup QB. This entire fanbase was largely yelling at the top of their lungs about signing a quality backup all offseason. He stuck with Zach Wilson, who has been a horrible QB throughout his short career.

A few key things that he will need to do this offseason:

1. Go heavy on offense in both the draft and free agency. Load up on offensive linemen and go out and get a true #2 receiver to pair with Wilson. 
2. Get rid of Hackett and install a true offensive coordinator. Whether that means moving Hackett to QB coach or not, we need someone in here that can run an NFL offense. Brady went to Tampa and ran an entirely new offense, Rodgers can do the same.
3. Force Woody to change the turf and install real grass. It is OBVIOUS that these players are getting hurt on our turf and from recent reports, we are losing out on free agents because of it. I am sure the Giants will agree. Make the change.

This next year is HUGE for this staff. Rodgers getting hurt put a damper on this season, but that can not be an excuse for next year. It is make or break time and they need to start winning and winning big games 

Great post and yes I agree JD made some big mistakes and Zach was the glaring one followed by the OL relying on guys who have not been on the field in a year or two didn't help. JD rebuilt a team now lets see if he can rebuild an OL and send Becton out the revolving doors just like he was at LT

[Jdeet]

7 minutes ago, Falco21 said:

I largely agree with your comments. I do think it is only logical and proper to evaluate everything on a macro scale. When you do, you quickly realize that we have been dealt horrible hands with injuries. JD has put a lot of money and resources into the offensive line, we just have been unable to stay healthy.

With that said, I do also think he deserves a TON of blame for the lack of moves at the trade deadline. He hung his hat on an offensive lineman that has and will likely never see the field. He had plenty of time to make key moves and bring in help on both the line and at receiver, but he never did. I also blame him heavily for the lack of a true backup QB. This entire fanbase was largely yelling at the top of their lungs about signing a quality backup all offseason. He stuck with Zach Wilson, who has been a horrible QB throughout his short career.

A few key things that he will need to do this offseason:

1. Go heavy on offense in both the draft and free agency. Load up on offensive linemen and go out and get a true #2 receiver to pair with Wilson. 
2. Get rid of Hackett and install a true offensive coordinator. Whether that means moving Hackett to QB coach or not, we need someone in here that can run an NFL offense. Brady went to Tampa and ran an entirely new offense, Rodgers can do the same.
3. Force Woody to change the turf and install real grass. It is OBVIOUS that these players are getting hurt on our turf and from recent reports, we are losing out on free agents because of it. I am sure the Giants will agree. Make the change.

This next year is HUGE for this staff. Rodgers getting hurt put a damper on this season, but that can not be an excuse for next year. It is make or break time and they need to start winning and winning big games 

They are not moving Hackett with Rodgers here. Not gonna happen. He is our OC. Like it or not. 

[Smashmouth]

5 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Saleh is a Todd Bowles clone and JD is arguably the worst GM in the entire NFL.  Good thing we have a very humble and knowledgeable owner 

rich thats a little over the top when we really don't know what conversations took place between owner and GM. Word is Woody didn't want another QB salary in here ...we may never know if that's true . But not knowing severely limits our chance at debating the situation. Lets just call it an organizational Gaff which we are very very well known for and call it a day LOL

[Saul Goodman]

Though Hackett is the worst OC in the league, he isn’t going anywhere. He’s Rodgers buddy and he’s a PVO goof just like Saleh. Saleh doesn’t have the contacts to bring a premier OC in anyways. 

[JiFtheOracle]

8 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

Guys at this point in time I think this may be our only option . Bringing in a new staff and GM would certainly cause issues having to evaluate, put in new O and D systems not a good idea in a short window. We have to go with Joe and Salad and let this play out if they fail in the next 2 years and don't fix obvious flaws then out they go.

Its hard to be positive as a Jets fan but this is the boat we are in, let it play out.

There is no other choice.  Who worth a damn are you going to have come in and play Asst. HC to Rodgers?  Or what GM is going to be attracted to this situation?  They are firmly in this bed and there is no getting out until Rodgers retires.

Lets go Jets, baby!

[Smashmouth]

Just now, Saul Goodman said:

Though Hackett is the worst OC in the league, he isn’t going anywhere. He’s Rodgers buddy and he’s a PVO goof just like Saleh. Saleh doesn’t have the contacts to bring a premier OC in anyways. 

never said he was being dumped maybe keep him on as a consultant that no one listens or pays attention too. I think at this point Rodgers knows adjustments were not made on the offensive side of the ball he understands the game and he also understands its a business. if his friend gets a pay check Im sure Aaron will be fine with him as the QB coach.

[Smashmouth]

6 minutes ago, Saul Goodman said:

Though Hackett is the worst OC in the league, he isn’t going anywhere. He’s Rodgers buddy and he’s a PVO goof just like Saleh. Saleh doesn’t have the contacts to bring a premier OC in anyways. 

JD knows Frank Reich pretty well since they were both there in Philly ... I doubt Reich will get another HC gig and he is a good OC 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

How did they whiff this badly on Laken Tomlinson?

This might be the worst OL in NFL history.

[Creepy Lurker]

36 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Saleh is a Todd Bowles clone and JD is arguably the worst GM in the entire NFL.  Good thing we have a very humble and knowledgeable owner 

I just watched Die Hard 1 and 2 so seeing you here has really thrown me off all day. Dick. 

[Falco21]

37 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Saleh is a Todd Bowles clone and JD is arguably the worst GM in the entire NFL.  Good thing we have a very humble and knowledgeable owner 

Calling him the worst GM in the entire NFL is a little ridiculous. He deserves a ton of blame, but worst GM in the NFL is not an accurate claim.

[Saul Goodman]

24 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

How did they whiff this badly on Laken Tomlinson?

This might be the worst OL in NFL history.

 

[Falco21]

23 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

How did they whiff this badly on Laken Tomlinson?

This might be the worst OL in NFL history.

I think a lot of teams were ready to "whiff" on him.

Hard to blame JD on this one. Seemed like a solid signing and everyone agreed at the time. Not sure what happened to him.

[Falco21]

32 minutes ago, Saul Goodman said:

Though Hackett is the worst OC in the league, he isn’t going anywhere. He’s Rodgers buddy and he’s a PVO goof just like Saleh. Saleh doesn’t have the contacts to bring a premier OC in anyways. 

Reich. Move Hackett to QB coach with Rodgers and hire Reich.

Seems like a perfectly logical approach

[Matt39]

Douglas is entering Matt Millen territory.

[Larz]

The sad reality is that with Woody in place JD and Saleh are probably the best guys the team could attract. 
it’s reasonable to expect that they will stay as long as Rodgers supports them 

[Rich Thornburgh]

6 minutes ago, Falco21 said:

Calling him the worst GM in the entire NFL is a little ridiculous. He deserves a ton of blame, but worst GM in the NFL is not an accurate claim.

What’s JD’s record?

[Rich Thornburgh]

2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Douglas is entering Matt Millen territory.

It’s wierd because he has this killer rep yet by literally every metric there is no current active GM who is worse than him

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

It’s wierd because he has this killer rep yet by literally every metric there is no current active GM who is worse than him

He’s drafts have been horrific outside of the first two rounds last year. Like impossibly bad.

[Adoni Beast]

I would feel much better about Saleh returning if they hired a "HC of the Offense" in someone like Frank Reich and kept Hackett to shine Rodgers' balls in between snaps if that made Rodgers feel better....but we know Rodgers won't allow that, which is a damn shame.

Douglas has had some bad luck with injuries, especially to the OL but his #1 priority since arriving was fixing the OL and it's been a complete mess. I am much more open to giving him more time than Saleh who I honestly don't think is a good head coach.

[Rich Thornburgh]

Just now, Matt39 said:

He’s drafts have been horrific outside of the first two rounds last year. Like impossibly bad.

The JD lovers love to point to Garrett Wilson.  Ok so what?  Matt Millen drafted Calvin Johnson.  Broken clock is right twice a day

[Smashmouth]

1 hour ago, Falco21 said:

I think a lot of teams were ready to "whiff" on him.

Hard to blame JD on this one. Seemed like a solid signing and everyone agreed at the time. Not sure what happened to him.

What happened is he is surrounded by garbage. Not so much in San Fran. That certainly helps. Every OL has a weak link but when the unit works well together that shortcoming can be over come . I think over all the OL coaching has been terrible. You bring a guy like Callahan in here and I guarantee you he changes things quick but that's gonna cost Woody and there's no telling if something like that is even on the radar but it damn well should be because Callahan has made a career of turning around OL's so why not take a look

[Smashmouth]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

Douglas is entering Matt Millen territory.

Matt come on man ...we all know he botched the back up QB but getting to street players and couch potato's on the OL was not in anyone's plans he got a bad deal I think he's fully capable of fixing that.

[Smashmouth]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

He’s drafts have been horrific outside of the first two rounds last year. Like impossibly bad.

All GM's have bad drafts or every team would be loaded with pro bowlers. If you gave any GM in the NFL the chance to have 1 great draft like Douglas had and 2  bad ones that were not nearly as terrible as you make them out to be they would take it 10 out of 10 times

[TuscanyTile2]

1 hour ago, slimjasi said:

[TuscanyTile2]

I would absolutely have mixed feelings if JD was gone (especially with Woody being the man to choose a successor) but it's obviously gotten increasingly difficult to defend his record. 

If Mike Tomlin shakes free from Pittsburgh and we could replace Saleh with him then I'd be okay with extending JD and letting he and Tomlin run things for a few years (with a long-term approach to drafting, FA, etc).  If not, though, I get a sick feeling in my stomach about the idea of bringing both JD and Saleh back.  They'll both have to think short-term, which means passing up on a potential FQB, and there's a real chance that next year will be another complete nightmare.  Imagine that becomes apparent in the first couple of weeks next year?  Jet fan venom would be at an all-time high in such a scenario.

[Beerfish]

The only reason they are both safe is because Rodgers got hurt.

Woody was all in on Rodgers like the other two and as of the 4th play of this year the major players jobs were safe.

No one 'deserves' to keep their jobs off this year.   Go see my Douglas had the worst year of a gm in 30 years for the jets as to what I think he did to improve the team this year.

[Plen T]

1 hour ago, Saul Goodman said:

 

lmffaoooo

[Barry McCockinner]

2 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Saleh is a Todd Bowles clone and JD is arguably the worst GM in the entire NFL.  Good thing we have a very humble and knowledgeable owner 

How is he a Todd Bowles clone? I don't like either as a head coach but see them as much different on game day.

[GangGreened]

1 hour ago, Falco21 said:

Calling him the worst GM in the entire NFL is a little ridiculous. He deserves a ton of blame, but worst GM in the NFL is not an accurate claim.

I am pretty sure he has the worst record among every NFL GM. How is that not accurate?