Larz Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Cutting Clemons sends a message. Might happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 1 minute ago, Larz said: Cutting Clemons sends a message. Might happen. weren't you in this thread mocking anyone who dare criticize Clemons earlier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said: weren't you in this thread mocking anyone who dare criticize Clemons earlier? Don’t you dare ever confuse me with that guy ever again lol. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Testaverde9819 Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Just sign ngakoue for crying out loud Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 On 8/19/2024 at 10:13 AM, Barry McCockinner said: A lot of NFL games are close and won on small edges. This. And this is why everything is worth worrying about. We need every advantage we can get in every game and on every play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOJOTOWNSELL Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 On 8/19/2024 at 10:39 AM, ARodJetsFan said: I think the trade of JFM, was more about making room for Reddick and his potential extension. Right, but management had to have some confidence in Clemons stepping up and filling JFM role on defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 On 8/19/2024 at 11:13 AM, Barry McCockinner said: Looks like he could be a dangerous pass rusher. So far looks like a liability against the run which will keep him off the field a lot of downs. Reddick is a 3 down player. Clemons in on rush downs will lead to easier passing opportunities for opponents in those spots. Not a huge hole but one that good coaches will likely take advantage of. A lot of NFL games are close and won on small edges. The problem is that Will Mac weighs 235lbs, was asked to gain weight and reported back at.... 235lbs. That is simply too small to play DE in a 4-3, I don't care how many pirouettes he can do. They drafted him to replace Bryce Huff, who is larger than McDonald by 20 lbs or so because they thought HE was "too small" to be every down DE. They used a First Rounder to replace an UDFA who was playing quite well in exactly the same role Will Mac will be limited to. In comparison, Hasson Reddick is 240lbs... and 3 inches shorter than Will Mac and is still undersized for 4-3 DE. Bottom line? They let Huff Walk after drafting an Aaron Maybin clone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sperm Edwards Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 22 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: The problem is that Will Mac weighs 235lbs, was asked to gain weight and reported back at.... 235lbs. That is simply too small to play DE in a 4-3, I don't care how many pirouettes he can do. They drafted him to replace Bryce Huff, who is larger than McDonald by 20 lbs or so because they thought HE was "too small" to be every down DE. They used a First Rounder to replace an UDFA who was playing quite well in exactly the same role Will Mac will be limited to. In comparison, Hasson Reddick is 240lbs... and 3 inches shorter than Will Mac and is still undersized for 4-3 DE. Bottom line? They let Huff Walk after drafting an Aaron Maybin clone... Huff's issue, in terms of not starting here, wasn't size-related. He's big enough to start at 255 lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Even after basically missing 2 of the last 3 seasons, with Reddick out and Clemens not looking good I still probably would've thrown up to a $2MM offer at bringing back Lawson, which is more than he got from Dallas (though he has more of an inside track at starting down there with the injuries, and probably hopes to use that to up his dollars in '25). He's a solid starter when healthy and is pretty low risk high reward at $2MM or less. Of course, if McKinley pans out far beyond expectations, and the $ gets ironed out with Reddick who has another typical Reddick season, I'll pretend I never said this and will delete/alter this post as well as anyone who quotes it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 35 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: The problem is that Will Mac weighs 235lbs, was asked to gain weight and reported back at.... 235lbs. That is simply too small to play DE in a 4-3, I don't care how many pirouettes he can do. They drafted him to replace Bryce Huff, who is larger than McDonald by 20 lbs or so because they thought HE was "too small" to be every down DE. They used a First Rounder to replace an UDFA who was playing quite well in exactly the same role Will Mac will be limited to. In comparison, Hasson Reddick is 240lbs... and 3 inches shorter than Will Mac and is still undersized for 4-3 DE. Bottom line? They let Huff Walk after drafting an Aaron Maybin clone... Aaron Maybin is a scary comp. Hopefully he's much more than that, but yea the failure to add weight is definitely concerning. Huff didn't want to play here. It is what it is. I think as much crap as JD gets for "letting him walk", which he has some responsibility, people always leave out the fact that he added him in the first place. So there's some credit that isn't given. I say he has some responsibility because there's not much a GM can do if a player doesn't want to play for the team. JD should have had the foresight to trade or sign him the previous year I guess. Easier said than done given they had a plus 500 record and Aaron Rodgers attempting a come back prior to the trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 13 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Huff's issue, in terms of not starting here, wasn't size-related. He's big enough to start at 255 lbs. SO.. what was the issue? It made too much sense to retain him? Saying a guy "isn't a 3-down player" isn't a reason, it's just words. They never really gave him the opportunity to see what he could do back when they were paying him $25 an hour. LOL. And the answer was drafting a guy that CLEARLY isn't suited to be a 3-down end? None of what happened here makes sense. They have Huff on the roster showing that he can be a true Pass Rush threat, they refuse to extend him or give him more playing time to see what his ceiling is, they draft a beanpole at 15 and HOPE he can be as good as the UDFA they already have, and then when Huff signs a contract with the Eagles, they then TRADE for another DE with an existing contract for $15 M - I'm not even going to get into the Reddick situation here -to offset the loss of Huff?? NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 9 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Even after basically missing 2 of the last 3 seasons, with Reddick out and Clemens not looking good I still probably would've thrown up to a $2MM offer at bringing back Lawson, which is more than he got from Dallas (though he has more of an inside track at starting down there with the injuries, and probably hopes to use that to up his dollars in '25). He's a solid starter when healthy and is pretty low risk high reward at $2MM or less. Of course, if McKinley pans out far beyond expectations, and the $ gets ironed out with Reddick who has another typical Reddick season, I'll pretend I never said this and will delete/alter this post as well as anyone who quotes it. I literally forgot that Carl Lawson exists... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 1 hour ago, JOJOTOWNSELL said: Right, but management had to have some confidence in Clemons stepping up and filling JFM role on defense. Maybe, maybe not - I'm not going to try and pretend that I know, who management has confidence in. Again, I believe this was more of a financial decision, rather than an endorsement of Clemons. McKinnley & Watts have both looked pretty good throughout camp & we just signed DL Jaylen Twyman, who seems to have some decent tape. In my opinion, Clemons has not played well enough, to have a roster spot "locked down" and he's facing some competition to make the 53 man roster. Clemons, throwing punches & losing his cool all the time, isn't helping his case very much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 42 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: I literally forgot that Carl Lawson exists... I haven't. - M Becton 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 44 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: SO.. what was the issue? It made too much sense to retain him? Saying a guy "isn't a 3-down player" isn't a reason, it's just words. They never really gave him the opportunity to see what he could do back when they were paying him $25 an hour. LOL. And the answer was drafting a guy that CLEARLY isn't suited to be a 3-down end? None of what happened here makes sense. They have Huff on the roster showing that he can be a true Pass Rush threat, they refuse to extend him or give him more playing time to see what his ceiling is, they draft a beanpole at 15 and HOPE he can be as good as the UDFA they already have, and then when Huff signs a contract with the Eagles, they then TRADE for another DE with an existing contract for $15 M - I'm not even going to get into the Reddick situation here -to offset the loss of Huff?? NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE. It's easy to forget, but Huff was getting more than half of the defensive snaps early in 2021 and then that decreased precipitously. Rightly or wrongly, they clearly thought he fit best as a specialist . And, it was clear from Huff's comments that he wanted a scheme that played him more. I don't think he was ever staying, unless the Jets just blew his doors off with a massive offer that reset his market. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 21 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: SO.. what was the issue? It made too much sense to retain him? Saying a guy "isn't a 3-down player" isn't a reason, it's just words. They never really gave him the opportunity to see what he could do back when they were paying him $25 an hour. LOL. And the answer was drafting a guy that CLEARLY isn't suited to be a 3-down end? None of what happened here makes sense. They have Huff on the roster showing that he can be a true Pass Rush threat, they refuse to extend him or give him more playing time to see what his ceiling is, they draft a beanpole at 15 and HOPE he can be as good as the UDFA they already have, and then when Huff signs a contract with the Eagles, they then TRADE for another DE with an existing contract for $15 M - I'm not even going to get into the Reddick situation here -to offset the loss of Huff?? NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE. That's not really true, though. They had him in on more than just exclusively 3rd & long type obvious passing situations, and didn't like what they saw (or didn't like it enough to pay him nearly what the Eagles are paying him). Plus also they see him in practices week after week that fans don't see. If you think that's nothing, the Eagles said he's not (yet) a starter just based on internal practices. He also did start (out of necessity) two years earlier. After all that time with this same coaching staff, they knew what he was & what he wasn't. He's big enough to start, and certainly isn't lacking athletic ability either. The rest of it - "they refused to extend him"/etc - isn't accurate either. Huff (allegedly) turned an extension offer down in '23 to bet on himself and reach UFA status, when no one else bit on him with just a 2nd round tender that half this site was certain was too low, and that inability to agree on an extension heavily influenced (if not was directly the reason for) drafting McDonald weeks later. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 4 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: That's not really true, though. They had him in on more than just exclusively 3rd & long type obvious passing situations, and didn't like what they saw (or didn't like it enough to pay him nearly what the Eagles are paying him). Plus also they see him in practices week after week that fans don't see. If you think that's nothing, the Eagles said he's not (yet) a starter just based on internal practices. He also did start (out of necessity) two years earlier. After all that time with this same coaching staff, they knew what he was & what he wasn't. He's big enough to start, and certainly isn't lacking athletic ability either. The rest of it - "they refused to extend him"/etc - isn't accurate either. Huff (allegedly) turned an extension offer down in '23 to bet on himself and reach UFA status, when no one else bit on him with just a 2nd round tender that half this site was certain was too low, and that inability to agree on an extension heavily influenced (if not was directly the reason for) drafting McDonald weeks later. I'll be somewhat curious to see, what kind of numbers Huff puts up in Philly this season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 9 minutes ago, ARodJetsFan said: I'll be somewhat curious to see, what kind of numbers Huff puts up in Philly this season. and how many snaps he plays and how they use him differently than he was used here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 7 minutes ago, slimjasi said: and how many snaps he plays and how they use him differently than he was used here. That too. Last pre-season game Philly played, Huff was running with the 2nd string defense, which seems a little off for a 50 million dollar free agent signing, that's been with that team for the entirety of the off-season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 1 minute ago, ARodJetsFan said: That too. Last pre-season game Philly played, Huff was running with the 2nd string defense, which seems a little off, for a 50 million dollar free agent signing. Very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 18 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Very interesting. Slowing Down? Bryce Huff Acclimating Himself Well to Philadelphia Eagles - Athlon Sports 2 tackles 1 assist & 0 sacks in a half game of action, against mostly back-ups. Philadelphia Eagles at New England Patriots 2024 PRE 2 - Game Center (nfl.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 5 minutes ago, ARodJetsFan said: That too. Last pre-season game Philly played, Huff was running with the 2nd string defense, which seems a little off for a 50 million dollar free agent signing, that's been with that team for the entirety of the off-season. I'm sure there would've been the same people kvelling over the Jets' FO if they'd traded their probowl edge rusher away for a late day-two pick two seasons later, and then the $51MM guy they signed to replace him is demoted to situational player and publicly deemed a work in progress by the HC not one month ago. I'm not hoping Huff sucks to justify anything on the Jets' behalf. He's a terrific player & I'd have liked him to still be here right now. I've got nothing against him, and have a lot of respect for a player who wants to put his money where his mouth is & bet on himself (at great financial risk, too, since he could've ended up with nothing had he suffered a bad lower-extremity injury in the '23 season). It seems the only real shot at getting Huff to want to re-sign here is if they fired both Saleh & Ulbrich so the team could install a different defense so this one player could get a more satisfying, expanded role than the one that played to his strengths & hid his weaknesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 10 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: I'm sure there would've been the same people kvelling over the Jets' FO if they'd traded their probowl edge rusher away for a late day-two pick two seasons later, and then the $51MM guy they signed to replace him is demoted to situational player and publicly deemed a work in progress by the HC not one month ago. I'm not hoping Huff sucks to justify anything on the Jets' behalf. He's a terrific player & I'd have liked him to still be here right now. I've got nothing against him I have nothing against Huff per say, but I am curious to see if he can play up to the expectations, that come with the FA contract he signed. As much as he complained about playing time here, he should get more playing time in Philly, with what they paid for him. Let's see what he does with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 1 hour ago, Jet_Engine1 said: SO.. what was the issue? It made too much sense to retain him? Saying a guy "isn't a 3-down player" isn't a reason, it's just words. They never really gave him the opportunity to see what he could do back when they were paying him $25 an hour. LOL. And the answer was drafting a guy that CLEARLY isn't suited to be a 3-down end? None of what happened here makes sense. They have Huff on the roster showing that he can be a true Pass Rush threat, they refuse to extend him or give him more playing time to see what his ceiling is, they draft a beanpole at 15 and HOPE he can be as good as the UDFA they already have, and then when Huff signs a contract with the Eagles, they then TRADE for another DE with an existing contract for $15 M - I'm not even going to get into the Reddick situation here -to offset the loss of Huff?? NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE. what makes you or anyone think the jets didn't see what he could do against the run? the defense has actually been pretty competently run under saleh and ulbrick. i seriously doubt they just looked at his weight and said he couldn't play against the run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 On 8/18/2024 at 9:26 PM, Barry McCockinner said: Right but he's penciled in as the starter opposite JJ right now In all seriousness tho. I think Thomas will 'start' over Clemons at that spot, with McDonald subbing in as a Pass Rush specialist and Clemons rotating. But all the comments are correct, this is a rotation. Guys like Clemons, McDonald, Thomas, Fotu, even Kinlaw will be on heavy rotation. The only stalwarts you will see will be QW and JJ. And that's assuming Reddick DOESN'T play. We shall see. It makes no sense for him to start missing actual games. My gut feeling is that he ends up on the field week one. As someone already said. The last thing I am worried about is the D-line and Clemons. Worst thread ever. 😆 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 1 hour ago, ARodJetsFan said: Slowing Down? Bryce Huff Acclimating Himself Well to Philadelphia Eagles - Athlon Sports 2 tackles 1 assist & 0 sacks in a half game of action, against mostly back-ups. Philadelphia Eagles at New England Patriots 2024 PRE 2 - Game Center (nfl.com) He had 2 sacks against NE last year in the final game. He'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 1 hour ago, Claymation said: He had 2 sacks against NE last year in the final game. He'll be fine. A lot of people assume that. I'm more of the "let's wait & see" mindset. Different coaching staff, different defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 9 hours ago, Claymation said: Unless you are the Graeae. He did abuse their back up in the game but he also beat their starter in the scrimmage earlier in the week. Well, it’s almost go time, Clay. We’re going to start getting answers in a couple weeks. I just don’t buy into a lot of the preseason hype machine stuff anymore with a guys like him. I could be totally wrong here, but I wasn’t impressed with him last year, and it seems odd that a second year 1st round pick would be out there as often as he has. I’d think he’d be sitting as much as the other starters if Saleh had much faith in him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 5 hours ago, ARodJetsFan said: Slowing Down? Bryce Huff Acclimating Himself Well to Philadelphia Eagles - Athlon Sports 2 tackles 1 assist & 0 sacks in a half game of action, against mostly back-ups. Philadelphia Eagles at New England Patriots 2024 PRE 2 - Game Center (nfl.com) Bust 😄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 1 hour ago, Green Ghost said: Well, it’s almost go time, Clay. We’re going to start getting answers in a couple weeks. I just don’t buy into a lot of the preseason hype machine stuff anymore with a guys like him. I could be totally wrong here, but I wasn’t impressed with him last year, and it seems odd that a second year 1st round pick would be out there as often as he has. I’d think he’d be sitting as much as the other starters if Saleh had much faith in him. I thought you would have been impressed by the Graeae reference. The sisters shared one eye and tooth. I regress. People weren’t impressed with JJII, and he turned into a pretty good player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 10 hours ago, Larz said: Cutting Clemons sends a message. Might happen. What’s the message? I still don’t see Clemons role the same as McKinley. Clemons is DE/DT while McKinley is pure DE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 13 minutes ago, Claymation said: I thought you would have been impressed by the Graeae reference. The sisters shared one eye and tooth. I regress. People weren’t impressed with JJII, and he turned into a pretty good player. You’re giving me way too much credit… the Graeae reference went wayyyy over my head.😜 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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