Thai Jet Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Actually, Nolan Ryan may be the most overrated player in the history of baseball. He used to be a Met you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 This is the stupidity that results from judging players from small sample sizes. Like dominant pitching performances when it counts? That small sample size tells me that Beckett is a dominant pitcher in the post season. That's why you and your Billy Bean, money ball, stats don't mean ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Like dominant pitching performances when it counts? That small sample size tells me that Beckett is a dominant pitcher in the post season. That's why you and your Billy Bean, money ball, stats don't mean ****. Looks like JonE was wrong ,yet again, about Beckett. Talk about a guy being on a losing streak !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anskyruben Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 As much as I hate the guy, he has been nails for his team. I wish him the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 As much as I hate the guy, he has been nails for his team. I wish him the worst. Love that last line. Yup he seems to come up big when it counts the most. That's what he gets paid to do. Team leaders lead by example. ARod could learn something from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anskyruben Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Love that last line. Yup he seems to come up big when it counts the most. That's what he gets paid to do. Team leaders lead by example. ARod could learn something from this. Yup. Gayfraud has a long way to go when it comes to clutch. Jeter needs to stop concentrating on Miami and poon, or he will be there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Yup. Gayfraud has a long way to go when it comes to clutch. Jeter needs to stop concentrating on Miami and poon, or he will be there too. Yup. Just look at the Red Sox tonite and in the Tribe series. all their big ($) bats getting it done in the clutch. Manny, Varitek, Big Papi all coming through with big hits when it counts. That's what its all about. I still remember Strawberry hitting a homer when his team was up 8-0 then grounding out when the bags were loaded in a 2-1 game. Who needs that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Like dominant pitching performances when it counts? That small sample size tells me that Beckett is a dominant pitcher in the post season. That's why you and your Billy Bean, money ball, stats don't mean ****. He's having a great year this year but Boston fans with short memories can't change the factual reality of the pitcher he's been over his career. (not 8-9 games) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 He's having a great year this year but Boston fans with short memories can't change the factual reality of the pitcher he's been over his career. (not 8-9 games) You're right. We should judge a pitcher about how good he was when he was 23 and 24 and just coming into the league and not when he is 27 and coming into the prime of his career. You do realize professional writers, analysts and players are comparing him to Koufax and Mathewson? Derek Lowe is quoted in the Herald as saying Beckett is the best pitcher in baseball. Yet for some reason you cannot yield defeat in your point. Just give it up already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 You're right. We should judge a pitcher about how good he was when he was 23 and 24 and just coming into the league and not when he is 27 and coming into the prime of his career. You do realize professional writers, analysts and players are comparing him to Koufax and Mathewson? Derek Lowe is quoted in the Herald as saying Beckett is the best pitcher in baseball. Yet for some reason you cannot yield defeat in your point. Just give it up already. He was supposed to be coming into his prime last year too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 He was supposed to be coming into his prime last year too. No, last year he was coming into a new league, with a new team, and a new stadium. Now, he has made adjustments, gotten more comfortable with Varitek and is actually listening to him and pitching instead of just throwing. Why can't you just admit what everyone else already has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 No, last year he was coming into a new league, with a new team, and a new stadium. Now, he has made adjustments, gotten more comfortable with Varitek and is actually listening to him and pitching instead of just throwing. Why can't you just admit what everyone else already has? How about you stop making excuses for last year and start realizing that this is the only year he's come close to showing this kind of performance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 How about you stop making excuses for last year and start realizing that this is the only year he's come close to showing this kind of performance? Aside from his first full year in the majors and his first year in the American league, Josh Beckett has never had an ERA above 3.79. Actually, if you take out 2006, he has increased his number of starts, number of IP, number of strikeouts, and win total. He's only 27 and on the upside of his career and getting better with every season. You're wrong. Just admit it and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Aside from his first full year in the majors and his first year in the American league, Josh Beckett has never had an ERA above 3.79. Actually, if you take out 2006, he has increased his number of starts, number of IP, number of strikeouts, and win total. He's only 27 and on the upside of his career and getting better with every season. You're wrong. Just admit it and move on. He got better from last year to this year. Thats the only significant improvement he's ever had in his career from year to year so you're wrong as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 He got better from last year to this year. Thats the only significant improvement he's ever had in his career from year to year so you're wrong as usual. So dropping his ERA a full point from his rookie year to his second year was not "significant improvement"?? Are you even looking at stats and facts or are you just making up thing in your imaginationland with the lollipop forest and gumdrop mountain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 So dropping his ERA a full point from his rookie year to his second year was not "significant improvement"?? Are you even looking at stats and facts or are you just making up thing in your imaginationland with the lollipop forest and gumdrop mountain? He was actually better in 2002 than he was in 2003... Thats why ERA is useless as a predictor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 He was actually better in 2002 than he was in 2003... Thats why ERA is useless as a predictor. I would really like to see the stats you are looking at or smoke whatever it is you are smoking to make these broad generalizations that you make without actually providing that stats that you say to make your point valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I would really like to see the stats you are looking at or smoke whatever it is you are smoking to make these broad generalizations that you make without actually providing that stats that you say to make your point valid.Look at his peripherals. In 2002 he had better h/ip, k9, whip and bb9. The only thing that was better was his ERA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Phillip Hughes is going to be a stud. I can just feel it in my bones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Phillip Hughes is going to be a stud. I can just feel it in my bones. He is. Only complete homers like yourself deny that Hughes is going to be really really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Look at his peripherals. In 2002 he had better h/ip, k9, whip and bb9. The only thing that was better was his ERA. You do know what peripherals means right? It means secondary, unimportant, and non-essential. And FYI: 2002: K/9 - 9.45 2003: K/9 - 9.63 2002: BB/9 - 3.68 2003: BB/9 - 3.55 These peripheral stats you claim were better in '02 obviously are not. Just sayin'. Oh and just some quotes for you: "He Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 You do know what peripherals means right? It means secondary, unimportant, and non-essential. And FYI: 2002: K/9 - 9.45 2003: K/9 - 9.63 2002: BB/9 - 3.68 2003: BB/9 - 3.55 These peripheral stats you claim were better in '02 obviously are not. Just sayin'. Oh and just some quotes for you: "He’s got to be the best pitcher in our game. I really believe that, as far as as what he does, and he consistently does it in October." Derek Lowe, LA Dodgers "Among pitchers who've thrown at least 70 innings in the postseason, only Mariano Rivera (0.77) and Christy Mathewson (1.15) own a better ERA." ESPN.com writer Amy K. Nelson "He's always tough," said Helton. "That's what you get when you face him -- good fastball, good curveball." "He's as advetised," Rockies Manager Clint Hurdle. "We've got the best pitcher on the planet going for us tonight," Curt Schilling (10/24) Those quotes mean nothing LOL. When u see me using subjective quotes to make my point thats the day i quit this site. And as for your stats you obviously are misinformed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Phillip Hughes is going to be a stud. I can just feel it in my bones. Not sure if he gets a roster spot. Don't write off Carl Pavano just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 He is. Only complete homers like yourself deny that Hughes is going to be really really good. Thank you for taking the bait. Only complete homers like you deny that Beckett is one of the best pitchers in baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Thank you for taking the bait. Only complete homers like you deny that Beckett is one of the best pitchers in baseball. Your "bait" is typical nonsense from you. He has been one of the best pitchers in baseball THIS YEAR, not over his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Your "bait" is typical nonsense from you. He has been one of the best pitchers in baseball THIS YEAR, not over his career. You're an only child, aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 You're an only child, aren't you? You got 800 on your combined SAT didn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 You got 800 on your combined SAT didn't you? Nope, 320. That's good, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Those quotes mean nothing LOL. When u see me using subjective quotes to make my point thats the day i quit this site. And as for your stats you obviously are misinformed. All you ever use to say Phillip Hughes is going to be great are subjective quotes, because that's all you have. Maybe its time for you to quit the site. For humanity's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Nope, 320. That's good, right? terrific... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 All you ever use to say Phillip Hughes is going to be great are subjective quotes, because that's all you have. Maybe its time for you to quit the site. For humanity's sake. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 terrific... I'm glad you approve. After dominating the minors, I'm ready to dominate the majors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 In stupidland players just appear in the majors without any prior track record and minor league stats (proved to be excellent predictors of major league performance) mean nothing. Sorry i forgot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 In stupidland players just appear in the majors without any prior track record and minor league stats (proved to be excellent predictors of major league performance) mean nothing. Sorry i forgot. And then in Geekland, players actually do it in the majors and dominate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 You got 800 on your combined SAT didn't you? Mike -- You said you were going to stop posting in this forum. You should just stick with that thought. You can PM me and tell you that they "baited" you. That they provoked you, whatever. All I know is that it is always the same thing. For the most part everyone gets along but you. You can be smarter than all of us. I am not ruling out that possibility. Still doesn't make all the personal attacks and fighting that surround your posts acceptable. I say -- go back to Plan A. Just talk football, it's a Jets site. Plenty wrong with the Jets so there is no shortage of things to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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