Green Jets & Ham Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Oh sure, occasionally you can mix and match or give certain players a day off, but this is my #1 lineup for the remainder of the season and the one I sink or swin with if I'm Joe Torre SS Derek Jeter CF/LF Hideki Matsui 3B Alex Rodriguez RF Gary Sheffield LF/DH Ruben Sierra DH/CF Bernie Williams 1B Jason Giambi C Jorge Posada 2B Robinson Cano ** On days when I DH Bernie and start Sierra in LF, Matsui Gets the start in CF ** On days when I DH Sierra and start Bernie in CF, Matsui Gets the start in LF This also Gives two older vets, Bernie and Sierra, a chance to DH half the week and play the OF the other half ... less wear and tear for both men Simply put, I hate how under-utilized Ruben Sierra is ... I've had a problem with that for quite some time ... he's a SH who can do damage from either side of the plate, and it's high-time we start using that stick on a regular basis But barring injuries, that's the team I have to sink or swim with ... Tino had a hot stretch early in the season, but he is no-longer an everyday player ... Giambi either Gets his stroke untracked or he doesn't, but henceforth he needs to earn that massive paycheck or not ... wanna rest the SOB one day a week and start Tino, fine, but henceforth this man either earns his keep or not {and he Gets every chance to find his stroke and do so} Matsui knows how to situational hit so I like him in the 2 hole ... and he'll also see Good pitches to hit in front of Arod and Shef Jeter at 1 and Cano at 9 Gives us back-to-back players who can run the bases ... nice table setters for the hitters to follow ... and it also adds a lefty/righty combination when the lineup turns over Screw the lefty/righty thing at 3 and 4 ... it's time to place our two best hitters in those spots and let them do damage or not Lastly, with this lineup the only place you are lacking lefty/righty is 3 and 4 ... everywhere else it breaks along those lines ... and at 3 and 4 who cares, those are our BIG THUMPERS and both men can Just as easily cream righties as lefties when they Get on a roll IT'S TIME TO STOP JERKIN AROUND .... LET'S COMMITT TO A FRIGGIN LINEUP AND MAKE A RUN, OR NOT ... A LINEUP WE ARE WILLING SINK OR SWIM WITH!! If you want to shuffle some of these nine players higher and lower in the batting order on occasion based on WHO'S RED HOT and WHO'S ICE COLD, fine by me, but let's committ to THESE NINE as our primary starters and SINK or SWIM JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 SS Derek Jeter LF Tony Womack 3B Alex Rodriguez RF Gary Sheffield CF Hideki Matsui DH Ruben / Bernie 1B Tino Martinez C Jorge Posada 2B Robinson Cano I would move the batting order around a bit depending on matchups and who is hot (Ruben\Bernie would slide down). But my point is this. This team is not winning a Championship with both Ruben and Giambi in the field. Giambi sits and never plays again if I am in charge. Tino at least plays better DEF. AROD does go to 3rd because of his MVP like season. Need Womack in the lineup because they have to start running more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaborJet Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Well, no matter what the lineup, leave it alone for at least a week or two. This team isn't made up of young bucks anymore. They're like older sports cars on winter mornings. You need to let them warm up. You cannot bring in guys from the bench who are 35+ and expect them to hit. Ain't gonna happen! They need lots of ABs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Oh sure, occasionally you can mix and match or give certain players a day off, but this is my #1 lineup for the remainder of the season and the one I sink or swin with if I'm Joe Torre SS Derek Jeter CF/LF Hideki Matsui 3B Alex Rodriguez RF Gary Sheffield LF/DH Ruben Sierra DH/CF Bernie Williams 1B Jason Giambi C Jorge Posada 2B Robinson Cano ** On days when I DH Bernie and start Sierra in LF, Matsui Gets the start in CF ** On days when I DH Sierra and start Bernie in CF, Matsui Gets the start in LF This also Gives two older vets, Bernie and Sierra, a chance to DH half the week and play the OF the other half ... less wear and tear for both men Simply put, I hate how under-utilized Ruben Sierra is ... I've had a problem with that for quite some time ... he's a SH who can do damage from either side of the plate, and it's high-time we start using that stick on a regular basis But barring injuries, that's the team I have to sink or swim with ... Tino had a hot stretch early in the season, but he is no-longer an everyday player ... Giambi either Gets his stroke untracked or he doesn't, but henceforth he needs to earn that massive paycheck or not ... wanna rest the SOB one day a week and start Tino, fine, but henceforth this man either earns his keep or not {and he Gets every chance to find his stroke and do so} Matsui knows how to situational hit so I like him in the 2 hole ... and he'll also see Good pitches to hit in front of Arod and Shef Jeter at 1 and Cano at 9 Gives us back-to-back players who can run the bases ... nice table setters for the hitters to follow ... and it also adds a lefty/righty combination when the lineup turns over Screw the lefty/righty thing at 3 and 4 ... it's time to place our two best hitters in those spots and let them do damage or not Lastly, with this lineup the only place you are lacking lefty/righty is 3 and 4 ... everywhere else it breaks along those lines ... and at 3 and 4 who cares, those are our BIG THUMPERS and both men can Just as easily cream righties as lefties when they Get on a roll IT'S TIME TO STOP JERKIN AROUND .... LET'S COMMITT TO A FRIGGIN LINEUP AND MAKE A RUN, OR NOT ... A LINEUP WE ARE WILLING SINK OR SWIM WITH!! If you want to shuffle some of these nine players higher and lower in the batting order on occasion based on WHO'S RED HOT and WHO'S ICE COLD, fine by me, but let's committ to THESE NINE as our primary starters and SINK or SWIM JMO I like it. The love affair that Joe has with Womack is beyond me. Bring him off the bench as a pinch runner or a guy who can bunt and move a guy over. You have guys who can run like Jeter, A-Rod and Cano. Giambi-Tino. Giambi can't hit, can't field. At least Tino can field. Giambi to the bench. Sierra is a good call. He needs to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 If I was the Yankees I would definitely get Sierra his at bats- the guy is a good hitter- I like to emphasize defense so Tino would be at first- whatever hitting he can bring is a plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 LOL.....A outfield of Bernie in Center and Sierra in left. A.)Horrible defensively. B)Neither will hold up injury wise. C.) Wang and or Cano will be traded for a "True" outfielder.......Reds are your likely dance partner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted June 10, 2005 Author Share Posted June 10, 2005 LOL.....A outfield of Bernie in Center and Sierra in left. A.)Horrible defensively. B)Neither will hold up injury wise. GS, you need to read it again ... I don't have both players starting in the OF simultaniously The way I drew it up, one is always DH'ing when the other is in the OF Read the two Quotes colored in blue and the sentence directly below them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 GS, you need to read it again ... I don't have both players starting in the OF simultaniously The way I drew it up, one is always DH'ing when the other is in the OF Read the two Quotes colored in blue and the sentence directly below them That would work Ham.....somewhat. Won't last though.....Wang and Cano for either Wily Mo Pena , Griffey or Dunn. Do you pull the trigger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLabelJetsFan Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Not a Yankee fan here, but Id agree you'd have to get Rubens bat in the lineup preferably as a DH. Which leaves Bernie in the OF and Tino at 1B, and Giambi chained to the bench as Max said. That way, with Ruben DHing, you've got decent defense in the OF and 1B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 and Giambi chained to the bench as Max said. Can we chain him to his seat on the airplane? I am cool with playing with a roster of 24 only. Anyone remember the year every team only carried 24 to save money? I think Billy Martin was the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted June 11, 2005 Author Share Posted June 11, 2005 Can we chain him to his seat on the airplane? I am cool with playing with a roster of 24 only. Anyone remember the year every team only carried 24 to save money? I think Billy Martin was the manager. Max, the best was the day Martin placed all 25 names in a hat and picked them out one at a time to set his lineup for that game ... I think he had Guidry in CF and Munson at SS I forget the exact lineup but it was hilarious I think he did that for the conclusion of the pine tar game, as a means of protest for the commish overturning the call? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 . Won't last though.....Wang and Cano for either Wily Mo Pena , Griffey or Dunn. Do you pull the trigger? There's not a friggin chance in Hell the Yankees will get Pena or Dunn for those 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 Won't last though.....Wang and Cano for either Wily Mo Pena , Griffey or Dunn. Do you pull the trigger? trading for guys like griffey is what created this mess in the first place. while an upgrade to bernie williams, i think he still has a few years at $12M per left on his contract. the yankess do not need to add anymore bad contracts, they need to unload them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 14, 2005 Share Posted June 14, 2005 Max, the best was the day Martin placed all 25 names in a hat and picked them out one at a time to set his lineup for that game ... I think he had Guidry in CF and Munson at SS I forget the exact lineup but it was hilarious I think he did that for the conclusion of the pine tar game, as a means of protest for the commish overturning the call? I am not sure how he got the names. But I remember watching the conclusion on the pine tar game. The Royals landed that day and the Yankees were still fighting the ruling. They lost and charged people like $1 or $2 to get in. Only 1,000 people showed up. Martin put Guidry in CF. He put Mattingly (a lefty) at 2B. Mattingly had a chance with a hit to extend a hitting streak that had since expired. PLAY BALL. George Frazier appeals the play at 1b. Safe. Then at 2b. Safe. Gotta love Billy Martin just for that. He was saying that Brett missed the bag on his home run trot. CLASSIC. Oh and Jerry Mumphrey was in the original lineup and had since been traded! Too bad the leage didn't make him fly back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted June 14, 2005 Share Posted June 14, 2005 Martin pulled the names out of the hat for a lineup back in 1977. The team was slumping at the time and Martin did it to shake things up a bit. I think i have the pine tar game on tape somewhere. I don't know if I have the conclusion of it though. I would have to look. Brett OWNED Gossage at that time. Acutally Brett OWNED the Yankees. They could never get him out. I'm gonna take a look at retrosheet and see if i can find the lineup for that 1977 game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 14, 2005 Share Posted June 14, 2005 1 - 2B Robinson Cano 2 - SS Derek Jeter 3 - RF Gary Sheffield 4 - 3B Alex Rodriguez 5 - LF Hideki Matsui 6 - DH Rueben Sierra 7 - C Jorge Posada 8 - 1B Tino Martinez CF - Bernie Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted July 5, 2005 Author Share Posted July 5, 2005 Tino had a hot stretch early in the season, but he is no-longer an everyday player Giambi either Gets his stroke untracked or he doesn't, but henceforth he needs to earn that massive paycheck or not Wanna rest the SOB one day a week and start Tino, fine, but henceforth this man either earns his keep or not {and he Gets every chance to find his stroke and do so} Might he be finding that stroke? 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted July 5, 2005 Author Share Posted July 5, 2005 BTW, I have only ONE EDIT I would now suggest to the lineup I posted a few weeks ago ... Melky Cabrera Maybe not RIGHT NOW, but SOON ... ASAP ... soon as it looks like he even has a shot Gotta Get Womack outta there He's an unmitigated disaster and he even looks unhappy when the team is winning SS Derek Jeter {R} 2B Robinson Cano {L} 3B Alex Rodriguez {R} LF Hideki Matsui {L} RF Gary Sheffield {R} 1B Jason Giambi {L} DH Bernie Williams {S} C Jorge Posada {S} CF Melky Cabrera {S} == PH/DH/OF Ruben Sierra {S} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfanmack Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 BTW, I have only ONE EDIT I would now suggest to the lineup I posted a few weeks ago ... Melky Cabrera Maybe not RIGHT NOW, but SOON ... ASAP ... soon as it looks like he even has a shot Gotta Get Womack outta there He's an unmitigated disaster and he even looks unhappy when the team is winning SS Derek Jeter {R} 2B Robinson Cano {L} 3B Alex Rodriguez {R} LF Hideki Matsui {L} RF Gary Sheffield {R} 1B Jason Giambi {L} DH Bernie Williams {S} C Jorge Posada {S} CF Melky Cabrera {S} == PH/DH/OF Ruben Sierra {S} Melky was rushed through the system, probably to increase trade vale. He's NOT major league ready at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted July 6, 2005 Author Share Posted July 6, 2005 Melky was rushed through the system, probably to increase trade vale. He's NOT major league ready at all. How do you know that? Right now he's hitting around .360 at AAA and hitting for power/rbi's ... who's to say he's definitely not ready? He wouldn't be the first 20 year old to be rushed through the system and be ready ... Andruw Jones did it, and so have a few others You never know until you try ... I say let's bring him up while his bat is on fire and he has to be beaming with confidence ... no better time to take a look than now ... you ain't ever gonna catch him hotter than he is now JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfanmack Posted July 6, 2005 Share Posted July 6, 2005 How do you know that? Right now he's hitting around .360 at AAA and hitting for power/rbi's ... who's to say he's definitely not ready? He wouldn't be the first 20 year old to be rushed through the system and be ready ... Andruw Jones did it, and so have a few others You never know until you try ... I say let's bring him up while his bat is on fire and he has to be beaming with confidence ... no better time to take a look than now ... you ain't ever gonna catch him hotter than he is now JMO He had a .723 OPS in AA. It's remarkable he's up over 1 in AAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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