SouthernJet Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Up until the late part of the game I would have agreed with that. He was definitely holding the ball too long while standing still. But then I saw him curl up at the last second on an unblocked blitzer. If he doesn't feel the pass rush at all, that ball gets swatted out of his hands easy. Also on a couple of those later plays, Baltimore was getting in the backfield. Clemens bought some time by actually sliding around or stepping up in the pocket; something Chad does not do. The result of doing it were multiple completions. I think he does have some pocket presence & it was just first-game jitters and two years of rust. What was most impressive was that we were actually moving the ball downfield - in a hurry - when the whole world knew we were in pass-only mode. yup,,the kid got his jitters over with,, hung in there and you saw what he can do,, the threat of long ball amd the unreal velocity for mid route passes is somethkng that wil leffect opposing defense,,something chad never brought to table,, there is no question in my mind tha tclemens gives us abetter chance to win right now,,chad will manage the game better, but opposing defense take too much away from jet offense when chad and his weak arm are in there,,clemens opens up the playbook for our offense.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 jets have lost 7 in a row in baltimore enuff said and Chad was at QB in how many of those games exactly? more than any other QB OK, you made me do the work to prove you wrong. Last 4 meetings: Yesterday - Kellen Clemens 10/2/05 - Brooks Bollinger 11/14/04 - Quincy Carter 12/24/2000 - Vinny Testaverde So the fact is that Chad has never lost to the Ravens, because he has never played against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSFAN5180 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 This is still Chad's team, KC is the future, but he still needs time. KC is not ready behind that line im not sure who is ready! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I voted for KC. I would atleast like to see one or two more games and I think he could be a good QB. McCarriens single handedly ruined Clemens coming out party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 more than any other QB Chad Pennington has never started against the Baltimore Ravens because he has never been healthy heading into the games. Chad fears Ray Lewis. The Ravens are also 5-1 against the Jets all-time with 5 straight wins. 3-0 at M&T Bank Stadium, 2-1 at the Meadowlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 OK, you made me do the work to prove you wrong. Last 4 meetings: Yesterday - Kellen Clemens 10/2/05 - Brooks Bollinger 11/14/04 - Quincy Carter 12/24/2000 - Vinny Testaverde So the fact is that Chad has never lost to the Ravens, because he has never played against them. other than chad never started any of those games how have you proven me wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 Even if you voted for Chad, do we all agree Clemens is the future? If so, WHY are you just delaying the inevitable? Trying to squeeze 9 wins out of Chad this year is pointless, its putting short term goals ahead of long term goals. We all know Chad is not gonna be here long term, therefore it is a NO-BRAINER, to start Clemens right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Even if you voted for Chad, do we all agree Clemens is the future? If so, WHY are you just delaying the inevitable? Trying to squeeze 9 wins out of Chad this year is pointless, its putting short term goals ahead of long term goals. We all know Chad is not gonna be here long term, therefore it is a NO-BRAINER, to start Clemens right now. chad is not winning 9 games with that ankle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 everybody forgot about the ankle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Even if you voted for Chad, do we all agree Clemens is the future? If so, WHY are you just delaying the inevitable? Trying to squeeze 9 wins out of Chad this year is pointless, its putting short term goals ahead of long term goals. We all know Chad is not gonna be here long term, therefore it is a NO-BRAINER, to start Clemens right now. i think thats what i have been trying to say,,,this is a no brainer, UNLESS you think Chad is the answer for many years to come.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 chad is not winning 9 games with that ankle I agree. This is a 7-9 team at best. People: WAKE UP. This is not a superbowl team. Put Clemens in. This is a rebuilding year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patsyfan Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Doesn't really matter much anyway, I'm not going to say why, just that it doesn't matter at all. Who do you think is going to be the first overall pick in this year's draft? I wonder if green brings out his eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 chad is not winning 9 games with that vagina Fixed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Quote: Originally Posted by chadharmamoon chad is not winning 9 games with that vagina LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joiseyjet Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Which ever one finnally wins a frigging game for us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 enough with the "chad woulda won that game" arguments how many times had chad beaten ravens in baltimore jets have lost 7 in a row in baltimore enuff said and Chad was at QB in how many of those games exactly? more than any other QB other than chad never started any of those games how have you proven me wrong I think the back and forth here speaks for itself. Chad hasn't played against Baltimore, starting or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I think the back and forth here speaks for itself. Chad hasn't played against Baltimore, starting or otherwise. whats your point man. i'm not a psychics nor do i have the magical vagina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 whats your point man. i'm not a psychics nor do i have the magical vagina Pennington CAN'T STAY HEALTHY is the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Pennington CAN'T STAY HEALTHY is the point. Welcome to the darkside Mr.80 from Madison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Pennington CAN'T STAY HEALTHY is the point. thats my point. lets start clemens than Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Welcome to the darkside Mr.80 from Madison. I was never a Pennington or Clemens "guy", so I never really "converted" anywhere, 124. I just want what's best for the Jets. As it stands, Clemens is our future, and he proved that in the 4th quarter against a top 5 defense. When was the last time Pennington did that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 whats your point man. i'm not a psychics nor do i have the magical vagina Let me make it easy for you You claimed that the Jets had lost 7 straight to the Ravens. TRUE (I will take your word for it as I only went back 4 games to 2000) You inferred that Chad was somehow responsible because he had been the QB in most of those losses: FALSE, since Chad never played in any of those games. That is my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Let me make it easy for you You claimed that the Jets had lost 7 straight to the Ravens. TRUE (I will take your word for it as I only went back 4 games to 2000) You inferred that Chad was somehow responsible because he had been the QB in most of those losses: FALSE, since Chad never played in any of those games. That is my point. so because chad is fragile emo egg back there he is excused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 so because chad is fragile emo egg back there he is excused I haven't excused anything with regard to Chad, I'm just trying to keep the discussion factually correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I haven't excused anything with regard to Chad, I'm just trying to keep the discussion factually correct yeah thanks for wasteing 2MB of space on this server for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 yeah thanks for wasteing 2MB of space on this server for no reason. OK, feel free to spout nonsense which is factually incorrect. Why cloud the issue with facts if they don't support your position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 The Jets have only played the Baltimore RAVENS six times and Chad Pennington never once started against them. The Ravens have won five in a row. They are 3-0 at M&T Bank vs. the Jets and 2-1 at the Meadowlands. The Jets' lone win came in 1997, led by Neil O'Donnell. 97 - O'Donnell 98 - Foley 00 - Testaverde 04 - Carter 05 - Bollinger 07 - Clemens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 The Jets have only played the Baltimore RAVENS six times and Chad Pennington never once started against them. The Ravens have won five in a row. They are 3-0 at M&T Bank vs. the Jets and 2-1 at the Meadowlands. The Jets' lone win came in 1997, led by Neil O'Donnell. 97 - O'Donnell 98 - Foley 00 - Testaverde 04 - Carter 05 - Bollinger 07 - Clemens Now here is a man that has done his homework! Good job 124! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I was never a Pennington or Clemens "guy", so I never really "converted" anywhere, 124. I just want what's best for the Jets. As it stands, Clemens is our future, and he proved that in the 4th quarter against a top 5 defense. When was the last time Pennington did that? Last year against the colts he had us coming back, i realize there was a KO return in there. I did like KC, and would like to see him get more minutes. It makes sense for it to happen this year, since our defense still looks pretty lost. The one problem with rebuilding now, is that Coles is getting older, it is so nice having both Cotch and Coles, that when we get reduced to Stuckey/wright and Cotch, it will be a huge drop off. Let the rebuilding begin. although KC can get us to the playoffs, i have no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 so how does all this rubbish constitute into the phrase that "penny woulda won that game", which i am trying to confute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 so how does all this rubbish constitute into the phrase that "penny woulda won that game", which i am trying to confute I never said that. I think Chad gives us the best chance to win right now, but I was excited with what I saw from Clemens in the 4th quarter. I trust in the coaching staff to make the right choice but no matter who is playing QB I will be rooting like hell for them to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I never said that. I think Chad gives us the best chance to win right now, but I was excited with what I saw from Clemens in the 4th quarter. I trust in the coaching staff to make the right choice but no matter who is playing QB I will be rooting like hell for them to succeed. so you didnt read the whole thread and you wasted a whole hour pushing a nonargument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 so you didnt read the whole thread and you wasted a whole hour pushing a nonargument Actually, I did read it and it is an argument when you use bull$hit facts to support your position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Rhodes25 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 i say neither BRING BACK VINNY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Kellen Clemens. Start him pleaseeeeee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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