Jetscode1 Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 and that's saying something because the Jills draft was awful. By Tim Graham Jim Irsay, the late Indianapolis Colts owner, once asked incredulously, "Who the hell is Mel Kiper?" He's the guy who's grading the draft for ESPN, that's who. Kiper has handed out his draft grades in a column for ESPN Insider, and if Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross reads this, maybe he will do an Irsay impression. Kiper wasn't a fan of the Dolphins' draft, rating it ahead of only one other team. He assigns the Dolphins a C-minus. The Jacksonville Jaguars receive the only D. "This draft for me is really Jared Odrick and the rest," Kiper writes. "Odrick can be a really good player, another active, disruptive tackle in a draft full of them." Kiper thinks the Dolphins reached on some picks. He believes Utah outside linebacker Koa Misi (second round) will need time to develop, but said Maryland cornerback Nolan Carroll (fifth round) might be a find. The highest AFC East grade went to the New York Jets with a B. He doesn't rave about any of their picks, but says they were solid, calling Kentucky fullback John Conner (fifth round) the best fullback in the draft. "Just four picks, but zero misses," Kiper writes. He gave the New England Patriots a B-minus. "New England once again took a surgical, long-range approach to the draft, getting some good talent," Kiper writes, "but also positioning themselves for a haul in 2011. You have to factor that into the analysis." The Buffalo Bills received a C-plus. Kiper is a big fan of ninth overall pick C.J. Spiller but was down on Central Florida nose tackle Torell Troup early in the second round and Arkansas State defensive end Alex Carrington in the third. "Outside of Spiller," Kiper writes, "it's hard to see where Buffalo got much better." http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/13178/kiper-gives-dolphins-worst-afc-east-grade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 Que the spin trolls! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 My opinion is Parcells has never been much of a drafter and mostly builds his teams through free agents and coaching. The guy took Pat White in the second round, no reason to expect him to out draft the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 My opinion is Parcells has never been much of a drafter and mostly builds his teams through free agents and coaching. The guy took Pat White in the second round, no reason to expect him to out draft the Jets. He has a similar style of drafting to BB... Acquire as many picks as possible (trade down A LOT) and get JAGs with upside, which he can help them reach with good coaching. Same type of philosophy in FA. Dont break the bank with any big names...Find the modestly priced and young JAG's that he can get the most of through coaching... It's worked for him pretty much everywhere he's gone, so obviously not a bad strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 Mel Kiper is a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 My opinion is Parcells has never been much of a drafter and mostly builds his teams through free agents and coaching. The guy took Pat White in the second round, no reason to expect him to out draft the Jets. Parcells has never won jack as a GM. Very overrated in that capacity. However, reading the local scribes now here in south FL, you would think the fins hit the mother load with their draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 i'd say the Pats were worse than a B- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 Parcells has never won jack as a GM. Very overrated in that capacity. However, reading the local scribes now here in south FL, you would think the fins hit the mother load with their draft picks. Its the same everywhere for the most part... Of course the Phins fanbase (?) is one of the most delusional in the NFL, so it is even more exaggerated there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 [quote name='Blackout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandShark13 Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 I'm curious, don't lash out i'm genuinely curious and have been searching the Web for what Mel had to say in 2008 about Gholsten. I mean he's been off on a ton of his selections throughout the years. For example here are just a couple Kiper quotes. "Give the Lions credit for going away from their biggest needs to take receiver Mike Williams" "I'll see you at his Hall of Fame induction"(commenting on WR Mike Williams) "That Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 I'm curious, don't lash out i'm genuinely curious and have been searching the Web for what Mel had to say in 2008 about Gholsten. I mean he's been off on a ton of his selections throughout the years. For example here are just a couple Kiper quotes. "Give the Lions credit for going away from their biggest needs to take receiver Mike Williams" "I'll see you at his Hall of Fame induction"(commenting on WR Mike Williams) "That Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandShark13 Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 Mike Williams quotes are great but to be honest Kiper is just trying to fill time with blanket compliment here or there If you think his quote on Williams was good look at what he had to say about Ryan Leaf. Ryan Leaf's "attitude" (which had rubbed teammates and coaches the wrong way in college) would be an asset in the NFL and give him a mental advantage over Peyton Manning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 I think the Eagles added the most talent to their team. I don't know if that means they had the best draft because maybe they had a lot of picks to work with. But I think they added the most talent to their team. I know this is an AFCE thread, but I thought I throw my one cent in there on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 I'm curious, don't lash out i'm genuinely curious and have been searching the Web for what Mel had to say in 2008 about Gholsten. I mean he's been off on a ton of his selections throughout the years. For example here are just a couple Kiper quotes. "Give the Lions credit for going away from their biggest needs to take receiver Mike Williams" "I'll see you at his Hall of Fame induction"(commenting on WR Mike Williams) "That Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 I thought Kiper was a raging idiot before I read his comments regarding the Jets and fish's 2010 drafts. Now I know he's a super genius. LandShark wouldn't be searching the web for Kiper's blunders if he graded the fishes a good grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 Soon as I find his comments on Ted Ginn I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 Soon as I find his comments on Ted Ginn I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 I'm curious, don't lash out i'm genuinely curious and have been searching the Web for what Mel had to say in 2008 about Gholsten. I mean he's been off on a ton of his selections throughout the years. For example here are just a couple Kiper quotes. "Give the Lions credit for going away from their biggest needs to take receiver Mike Williams" "I'll see you at his Hall of Fame induction"(commenting on WR Mike Williams) "That Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 Spin much NurseShark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 [quote name='Blackout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 He has a similar style of drafting to BB... Acquire as many picks as possible (trade down A LOT) and get JAGs with upside, which he can help them reach with good coaching. Same type of philosophy in FA. Dont break the bank with any big names...Find the modestly priced and young JAG's that he can get the most of through coaching... It's worked for him pretty much everywhere he's gone, so obviously not a bad strategy. More likely BB has a similar style to him. He is "Big Bill" after all. I don't agree that BP doesn't break the bank on FAs. He overpaid plenty of JAGs with the Jets. IIRC before he left a bunch of his boys were restructured and we had cap problems for a wilfe. Parcells has never won jack as a GM. Very overrated in that capacity. However, reading the local scribes now here in south FL, you would think the fins hit the mother load with their draft picks. +1 I never was too fond of his personnel moves, but he knew how to get a team together. To be fair, a lot of people had the Jets picking Misi in the 2nd and it seemed we'd have been happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 I'm curious, don't lash out i'm genuinely curious and have been searching the Web for what Mel had to say in 2008 about Gholsten. I mean he's been off on a ton of his selections throughout the years. For example here are just a couple Kiper quotes. ". Try to focus .....We're discussing THIS years draft here Nancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 LandShark wouldn't be searching the web for Kiper's blunders if he graded the fishes a good grade. Another Dolphag tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandShark13 Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 I thought Kiper was a raging idiot before I read his comments regarding the Jets and fish's 2010 drafts. Now I know he's a super genius. This made me laugh Thank you. LandShark wouldn't be searching the web for Kiper's blunders if he graded the fishes a good grade. Not true. Each year when he gets on his high horse I tend to find different quotes from him specific to different players. I tend to look for his review of a player that's been in the league for a couple years. Soon as I find his comments on Ted Ginn I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 Mel Kiper is a genius. Seriously, don't know why people listen to these fools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 No, that was made in regards to Faulk. No it wasn't. It was trev alberts. During ESPN's coverage of 1994 NFL Draft, Kiper criticized the Indianapolis Colts for using their fifth overall pick on linebacker Trev Alberts and not quarterback Trent Dilfer, who Kiper labeled a "franchise quarterback http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Kiper,_Jr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 In conclusion, Kiper isn't 100%, and has been dead wrong at times? Which puts him in good company with every NFL GM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandShark13 Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 No it wasn't. It was trev alberts. During ESPN's coverage of 1994 NFL Draft, Kiper criticized the Indianapolis Colts for using their fifth overall pick on linebacker Trev Alberts and not quarterback Trent Dilfer, who Kiper labeled a "franchise quarterback http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Kiper,_Jr. He may or not have said that about their 5th pick but he absolutely spoke on Faulk and their first pick. http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/mel-kiper-quotes-notes-1236735/ http://rootzoo.com/polls/view/NFL-Football/NFL-General/Which-Mel-Kiper-Jr-Quote-is-the-most-laughable_234399/ http://www.dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=Mel_Kiper%2C_Jr.#Proof_of_genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 In conclusion, Kiper isn't 100%, and has been dead wrong at times? Which puts him in good company with every NFL GM? except for the Patriots, who are clearly incapable of making a bad move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 This made me laugh Thank you. Not true. Each year when he gets on his high horse I tend to find different quotes from him specific to different players. I tend to look for his review of a player that's been in the league for a couple years. I'm sure his comments on Ginn were quite negative but then again he didn't have Ginn rated in the top 6 like Gholsten. Feel free to post it though I may just put it in one of my Sigs. No, that was made in regards to Faulk. You know less about Mel than you do football. RSJ is exactly right. That's what prompted Jim Irsays remarks about Mel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 i'm not saying kiper is right or wrong....but if you go over to finheaven and read for a few minutes you'd soon realize that jared odrick is pretty much the best DE in the afc right now, misi is a perrenial pro-bowler, jerry is a beastly road grading mauler who can't be contained and reshad jones is a ball-hawking, lumber-laying beast of a safety who the whole league will fear. matter of fact "the trifecta" as they call them have just hit big time on every player they drafted in 2010. their draft may just be the best draft in the 75 year history of the event and it's really not that close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandShark13 Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 You know less about Mel than you do football. Your right, I'm guilty as charged. You got me, but does this mean that you claim to know more about Mel Kiper than you do about football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war ensemble Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 Hey Landshark, the 90's called. They want that sig back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandShark13 Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Hey Landshark, the 90's called. They want that sig back. Really, I come here to ask a question and the best you got is an insult about a sports sig? This better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Really, I come here to ask a question and the best you got is an insult about a sports sig? This better? No it's pitiful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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