JonEJet Posted May 8, 2010 Share Posted May 8, 2010 2 young guys, each with success Buccholz with a no hitter Hughes coming into his own? Who would you take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted May 8, 2010 Share Posted May 8, 2010 Im a Yank, I'd take Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted May 8, 2010 Share Posted May 8, 2010 at this point in time hughes looks like the better pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted May 8, 2010 Share Posted May 8, 2010 Hughes is younger so I'll take him. That said, the gap isn't huge and personally Buchholz's stuff is nastier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 I didn't see much of the game today, but seeing both pitchers, I think it's a toss up. If Buchholz gets some confidence, he could be filthy. that's how good his stuff is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 I didn't see much of the game today, but seeing both pitchers, I think it's a toss up. If Buchholz gets some confidence, he could be filthy. that's how good his stuff is. So far, PH is already throwing "filthy" stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Push. Hughes has more upside and looks like an Ox. Bucholz is rounding into form and looks to be a keeper. Should be some interesting battles the next decade. If the Sox do not trad ehim for a bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Push. Hughes has more upside and looks like an Ox. Bucholz is rounding into form and looks to be a keeper. Should be some interesting battles the next decade. If the Sox do not trad ehim for a bat. They kind of handcuffed themselves with the Beltre signing. That pretty much takes Adrien Gonzales out of the mix, unless you want to move Youks to the outfield. But when Cameron and Ellsbury come back, you'll have Drew and his huge salary on the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted May 9, 2010 Author Share Posted May 9, 2010 HAHAHA You Boston Pukes crack me up Philthy Phil 4-0 with a 1.68 ERA We're talking ace here boys, ACE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 HAHAHA You Boston Pukes crack me up Philthy Phil 4-0 with a 1.68 ERA We're talking ace here boys, ACE!!! The Yankees organization had so much faith in Phil that he was converted into a reliever last year and picked up Burnett and Sabathia. Phil has been very good in this little over a month of action and before last night Buchholz had been just as good. Difference is Hughes has a very potent offense that opposing pitchers have to deal with. Also, Hughes' starting track record before this season was not very good. Buchholz was never converted to a reliever and has pitched well as a starter before this season. It'll be interesting to see it play out over the next few years, but as of right now it's a push. One month isn't going to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 HAHAHA You Boston Pukes crack me up Philthy Phil 4-0 with a 1.68 ERA We're talking ace here boys, ACE!!! so one ace-like month and he's annointed already? and this after years of being non-ace like. why don't you wait till he does it for a year or more before you start with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 so one ace-like month and he's annointed already? and this after years of being non-ace like. why don't you wait till he does it for a year or more before you start with this. Some Yankee fans had Hughes in the HOF before he even threw a pitch in the Major Leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 They kind of handcuffed themselves with the Beltre signing. That pretty much takes Adrien Gonzales out of the mix, unless you want to move Youks to the outfield. But when Cameron and Ellsbury come back, you'll have Drew and his huge salary on the bench As a Yankee fan I would love to see Youk back in the outfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 The Yankees organization had so much faith in Phil that he was converted into a reliever last year and picked up Burnett and Sabathia. Phil has been very good in this little over a month of action and before last night Buchholz had been just as good. Difference is Hughes has a very potent offense that opposing pitchers have to deal with. Also, Hughes' starting track record before this season was not very good. Buchholz was never converted to a reliever and has pitched well as a starter before this season. It'll be interesting to see it play out over the next few years, but as of right now it's a push. One month isn't going to change that. LOL, They had no faith in him? Hughes was one of the most important pitchers as a 23 year old on a staff that won the World Series. I hate that he got set back like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 The Yankees organization had so much faith in Phil that he was converted into a reliever last year and picked up Burnett and Sabathia. Phil has been very good in this little over a month of action and before last night Buchholz had been just as good. Difference is Hughes has a very potent offense that opposing pitchers have to deal with. Also, Hughes' starting track record before this season was not very good. Buchholz was never converted to a reliever and has pitched well as a starter before this season. It'll be interesting to see it play out over the next few years, but as of right now it's a push. One month isn't going to change that. Phil Hughes crushing opponents with an ERA of 1.68 and our potent offense are mutually exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 The Yankees organization had so much faith in Phil that he was converted into a reliever last year and picked up Burnett and Sabathia. Phil has been very good in this little over a month of action and before last night Buchholz had been just as good. Difference is Hughes has a very potent offense that opposing pitchers have to deal with. Also, Hughes' starting track record before this season was not very good. Buchholz was never converted to a reliever and has pitched well as a starter before this season. It'll be interesting to see it play out over the next few years, but as of right now it's a push. One month isn't going to change that.Nice fantasy baseball story, but the Yanks were all set to send Hughes down last year and it was him that asked to go to the bullpen so he could stay with the team. Far from a conversion, but why start letting the facts get in the way of your spin now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 LOL, They had no faith in him? Hughes was one of the most important pitchers as a 23 year old on a staff that won the World Series. I hate that he got set back like that. Yeah me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 HAPPY MOTHERS DAY CARL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Phil Hughes crushing opponents with an ERA of 1.68 and our potent offense are mutually exclusive. not true.....any pitcher will tell you it's easier to pitch with a lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 not true.....any pitcher will tell you it's easier to pitch with a lead. He's pitched from behind and he's pitched while ahead. He still mows em down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 at this point in time hughes looks like the better pitcher. Considering you're the only one in here that doesn't have a slanted view on this I'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Considering you're the only one in here that doesn't have a slanted view on this I'll take it. Meh. All Sox fans are going to say Buchholz, all Yanks fans are gonna say Hughes. I'd say each teams fans would agree that it's nice that both guys have straightened things out to where we can have this conversation. With that said...as a Sox fan, I too am going to slightly say Buchholz...but I'd be foolish if I didn't think a neutral observer (such as neckdemon) would say Hughes right now. Again, as I said...all of us can be happy that these guys have gotten some of their issues ironed down and we can even talk about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Considering you're the only one in here that doesn't have a slanted view on this I'll take it. Translation: You're not a Yankee fan but you like Hughes, so this is the most valuable opinion in the thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 I think we can all agree that this won't be solved anytime soon. Should be fun watching them duel it out over hopefully the next decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 They kind of handcuffed themselves with the Beltre signing. That pretty much takes Adrien Gonzales out of the mix, unless you want to move Youks to the outfield. But when Cameron and Ellsbury come back, you'll have Drew and his huge salary on the bench Beltre is not playing great defense though...that could be an excuse to bench him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 It's not like the Red Sox are married to Beltre. He's there on a one year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Always a great debate and it always boils down to what do you prefer in your young pitchers; dominant raw stuff and less polish or plus raw stuff, while being more polished. It's mainly the reasons Phil was a more highly touted prospect, he is much more polished and has a significantly better frame for a long career. 6'5 240 for hughes, compared to 6'2 190 for Clay. As a lifetime yankee fan, I have no problem admitting that Clay probably has better raw stuff. He throws a heavy mid 90's fb and a very heavy slider; both, I believe rank in the top 5-10 avg. velocity in the bigs. Phil has 3 plus pitches along with the extra 2-3 mph that "he found" this year, so it's not like dwarfed when it comes to raw stuff. Bottom line, both are great young pitchers with a lot of promise and you can't go wrong with either, but they both have a lot to prove. Neither has thrown 190+ innings on the major league level. Yes, I know they both have combine for 200+ in a season with mlb and minors combined, but they need to prove it on this level. The reasons I'll take Hughes: He's 2 years younger with a much better frame and has Clay beaten in every statistical pitching category for their career. I personally believe Hughes will end up with the better season, but there's just no possible way he can continue on the pace that he's currently on. He has a BABIP of .189, which is virtually impossible to maintain, whereas Clay's is a little higher than the average around .320 or so. Both pitchers will trend towards the norm and have good to very good seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Clay probably has better raw stuff. He throws a heavy mid 90's fb and a very heavy slider; both, I believe rank in the top 5-10 avg. velocity in the bigsDon't forget his high 70's-low 80's curve. He's gone to the slider more lately, but the curve was his out pitch before it. He's a four pitch pitcher, and all 4 of them are plus pitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted May 13, 2010 Author Share Posted May 13, 2010 Phil Hughes is the BEST RHP in the AL, RIGHT NOW We are all witnessing something special here folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 1.38 ERA, That's insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 1.38 ERA, That's insane. I know his BABIP suggest that he's getting lucky and will eventually regress towards his career norms, but every time I watch him pitch, I think that there's no reason he can't keep it up. He's been pounding the strike zone, not allowing solid contact to really anybody, it's just been extremely impressive. He's becoming everything we hoped he would; here's to hoping he can keep it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 I personally believe Hughes will end up with the better season, but there's just no possible way he can continue on the pace that he's currently on. He has a BABIP of .189, which is virtually impossible to maintain, whereas Clay's is a little higher than the average around .320 or so. Both pitchers will trend towards the norm and have good to very good seasons. Advanced metrics and basic logic have no place in circle jerk threads. Damn you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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