CrazyCarl40 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 One knows he is, and has been, on the decline for a few seasons, hasn't asked for unreasonable years or money and has taken what is given to him for the betterment of the team. He takes a back-up role where he can mentor younger players in the clubhouse and more specifically at his position. And he's still a top back-up and a top game caller and that is invaluable. One asks for money he is no where near worth, refuses to see his numbers are on a steep decline, puts himself before the team, and is being fairly unreasonable in the years he's asking for because he thinks it is all owed to him. Interesting juxtaposition there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 One knows he is, and has been, on the decline for a few seasons, hasn't asked for unreasonable years or money and has taken what is given to him for the betterment of the team. He takes a back-up role where he can mentor younger players in the clubhouse and more specifically at his position. And he's still a top back-up and a top game caller and that is invaluable. One asks for money he is no where near worth, refuses to see his numbers are on a steep decline, puts himself before the team, and is being fairly unreasonable in the years he's asking for because he thinks it is all owed to him. Interesting juxtaposition there. Fair. No problem with anyone trying to make every last dollar they can. But Jeter has to see that the Yankees are not going to bid against themselves. There may have been a time teams would line up to overpay for a bunch of full houses as a guys gets clsoe to 3000 hits for a season, like the Rays did with Boggs. But to think anyone other than the Yankees will pay him top dollar for more than 3 years is delusional. It's said Jeter thinks he can chase Pete Rose, but realistically there's no way with the number of hits and years it would take. Unless he has a late career turnaround it won't happen. His range and speed are already in decline, and he has little power to begin with. Take the 3 years and try to get some more money. And then enough of this circus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 One's going to the Hall of Fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 One has sucked for half a decade, the other had 1 bad year. While I'm siding with the Yankees on this, the comparison is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 One has sucked for half a decade, the other had 1 bad year. While I'm siding with the Yankees on this, the comparison is laughable. This. Varitek is a charity case at this point. Jeter is still a major league ballplayer, if not what he once was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Why even respond to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 4, 2010 Author Share Posted December 4, 2010 Why even respond to this? Why not? The cases aren't exactly alike because Varitek has been on the decline for a few years now, but it's a similar situation. Tek has always taken market value contracts and can still be a contributor in many ways to a championship calibur team. So could Jeter, just not as a key cog anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 One has sucked for half a decade, the other had 1 bad year. While I'm siding with the Yankees on this, the comparison is laughable. Was gonna say the same thing...Varitek hasn't been a viable starter in 3+ seasons at least...Jeter OTOH happened to have a down year in his contract year...a year after hitting .33something and posting an OPS over .850 at an up the middle position...Jeter's still capable of a good year with the bat probably even two for the hell of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 4, 2010 Author Share Posted December 4, 2010 You guys are missing the point. Obviously Tek's career delcined before Jeter's. Catchers often decline before position players. Though, it can be said Jeter's defensive decline started a few years ago. What I'm trying to say is that when Varitek started to decline he knew to stay in Boston he was going to have to take what was given him, and he did it without much issue. Jeter's case is the complete opposite. I'm not trying to compare them in the here and now, but when both of them started their decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Why not? The cases aren't exactly alike because Varitek has been on the decline for a few years now, but it's a similar situation. Tek has always taken market value contracts and can still be a contributor in many ways to a championship calibur team. So could Jeter, just not as a key cog anymore. Tek has nowhere near the marketing value to the Sox that Jeter does the Yanks. IMO that is the only reason Jeter has asked for so much more than his market value. Jeter sells tickets. Not sure anyone in Boston has ever said that they were giving up their season tickets if Tek was let go. Jeter's "decline" was also a lot closer to the top at his position than Tek has been in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 Yeah, Jeter is still a starter, even if he had a down year last season. A better comparison might be with Posada after this next season depending on what type of year he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 Yeah, Jeter is still a starter, even if he had a down year last season. A better comparison might be with Posada after this next season depending on what type of year he has. I don't think it matters what type of year Posada has, he'll retire or play for someone else. Cashman will let him walk, like he did with Matsui and Damon. Cashman doesn't like DH only hitters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 You guys are missing the point. Obviously Tek's career delcined before Jeter's. Catchers often decline before position players. Though, it can be said Jeter's defensive decline started a few years ago. What I'm trying to say is that when Varitek started to decline he knew to stay in Boston he was going to have to take what was given him, and he did it without much issue. Jeter's case is the complete opposite. I'm not trying to compare them in the here and now, but when both of them started their decline. Yes, you guys are missing the point. The point being that Sox fans will reach to whatever depths they can to paint any Yankee in a bad light and their guys as heroes to make themselves feel warm and fuzzy inside. Expect this to get even more pronounced now that the Sox little run is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 5, 2010 Author Share Posted December 5, 2010 Yes, you guys are missing the point. The point being that Sox fans will reach to whatever depths they can to paint any Yankee in a bad light and their guys as heroes to make themselves feel warm and fuzzy inside. Expect this to get even more pronounced now that the Sox little run is over. I didn't paint anyone in a bad light. Jeter did that one his own. Sox "little run" is over? I'd like to see that proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 c-spin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 SI_JonHeyman Source; gonzalez deal fell thru 2 minutes ago via web * Reply * Retweet\ \\ SI_JonHeyman #redsox just could not reach deal w a-gon. #padre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 One knows he is, and has been, on the decline for a few seasons, hasn't asked for unreasonable years or money and has taken what is given to him for the betterment of the team. He takes a back-up role where he can mentor younger players in the clubhouse and more specifically at his position. And he's still a top back-up and a top game caller and that is invaluable. One asks for money he is no where near worth, refuses to see his numbers are on a steep decline, puts himself before the team, and is being fairly unreasonable in the years he's asking for because he thinks it is all owed to him. Interesting juxtaposition there. This is a LOL if there every was a LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 Why not? The cases aren't exactly alike because Varitek has been on the decline for a few years now, but it's a similar situation. Tek has always taken market value contracts and can still be a contributor in many ways to a championship calibur team. So could Jeter, just not as a key cog anymore. Like in 2009? This is like comparing Scott Brosius to Bernie Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 I didn't paint anyone in a bad light. Jeter did that one his own. Sox "little run" is over? I'd like to see that proven. How'd they do in the playoffs this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 6, 2010 Author Share Posted December 6, 2010 How'd they do in the playoffs this year? How'd the Yankees do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 How'd the Yankees do? Got the the American League Championship game, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 6, 2010 Author Share Posted December 6, 2010 Got the the American League Championship game, why? Seems like a wasted year with core talent only getting older to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 Seems like a wasted year with core talent only getting older to me. They got 5 championships out of those guys, how many do you expect them to get? Besides, the core of the team is changing. Jeter is no longer going to be a huge part of the offense. Posada's replacement will be on the team this year (Montero), Cano has obviously turned himself into an elite player. Pettitte will become less important, when and if they sign Lee. Gardner has emerged has a good player. And obviously CC and Tex are core players in their prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 How'd the Yankees do? Not as well as we'd like, but they went to the playoffs and won the first round, which are two things Boston did not accomplish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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