THE ILK Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 When did you change teams? Never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 You really are oblivious cheat. Says the clown with the road to Dallas location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 wes welker is not a JAG, he racks up stats in games he never played in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Is it really crap if it reflects negatively on a player(s) that fans of the NYJ hate due to having been beaten by them numerous times in the past? Considering nobody wants to acknowledge that's why Marshall's stats have been so inflated over the years, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 I clearly remember Braylon Edwards rep around these parts until he became a NYJ I wear green sunglasses but I aint blind. Am I hearing Welker or Marshall suck a$$ and still would be hated if they were Jets instead of Holmes or Edwards? Is that what Im hearing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 I clearly remember Braylon Edwards rep around these parts until he became a NYJ I wear green sunglasses but I aint blind. Am I hearing Welker or Marshall suck a$$ and still would be hated if they were Jets instead of Holmes or Edwards? Is that what Im hearing? I dont know what you are asking...but if its, would I take Holmes and BE over Marshall and Welker, we'll the answer is simply yes. I like playmakers, not overrated possession JAGs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 I dont know what you are asking...but if its, would I take Holmes and BE over Marshall and Welker, we'll the answer is simply yes. I like playmakers, not overrated possession JAGs. Did I say I was unhappy with BE SH JC?? Thrilled to have them all. Cmon man. Question is, Am I hearing Welker or Marshall suck a$$ and still would be hated if they were Jets instead of Holmes or Edwards? Would you still refer to them as overrated possession JAGs if they became NYJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 Did I say I was unhappy with BE SH JC?? Thrilled to have them all. Cmon man. Question is, Am I hearing Welker or Marshall suck a$$ and still would be hated if they were Jets instead of Holmes or Edwards? Would you still refer to them as overrated possession JAGs if they became NYJ? Yep. I'm no homer. I hate Jason Gaylor. I was pissed when we signed LT. I was wrong, but pissed. Wekler and Marshall are JAGs. Marshall is a better JAG because he's physical freak, but both very much JAGs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Yep. I'm no homer. I hate Jason Gaylor. I was pissed when we signed LT. I was wrong, but pissed. Wekler and Marshall are JAGs. Marshall is a better JAG because he's physical freak, but both very much JAGs. it takes a FAG to know a JAG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 it takes a FAG to know a JAG So you're confirming they are JAGs. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 So you're confirming they are JAGs. Thanks! I know a FAG who knows a JAG when I see one.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 I know a FAG who knows a JAG when I see one.. Will you two just make out already and get it over with? This shtick is getting old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Yep. I'm no homer. I hate Jason Gaylor. I was pissed when we signed LT. I was wrong, but pissed. Wekler and Marshall are JAGs. Marshall is a better JAG because he's physical freak, but both very much JAGs. credibility gap oun Definition of CREDIBILITY GAP 1a : lack of trust <a credibility gap between generations> b : lack of believability <a credibility gap created by contradictory statements disproven by facts. FWIW There are alot of great non-NYJ players in the NFL. The league is way too tough,full of talent. It silly to call these guys JAGS seeing what they bring to the game. You can call them names. You can hate them when they beat you. You can hope your team can beat them You can hope your team can negate them with good gameplans. But they are paid millions because they are great players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Yep. I'm no homer. I hate Jason Gaylor. I was pissed when we signed LT. I was wrong, but pissed. Wekler and Marshall are JAGs. Marshall is a better JAG because he's physical freak, but both very much JAGs. You'd be rocking a Welker Jets jersey by Week Three, saying how he saved El Model's career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Yep. I'm no homer. I hate Jason Gaylor. I was pissed when we signed LT. I was wrong, but pissed. Wekler and Marshall are JAGs. Marshall is a better JAG because he's physical freak, but both very much JAGs. What is a JAG? Isn't a physical freak, by definition, more than just a JAG. credibility gap oun Definition of CREDIBILITY GAP 1a : lack of trust <a credibility gap between generations> b : lack of believability <a credibility gap created by contradictory statements disproven by facts. FWIW There are alot of great non-NYJ players in the NFL. The league is way too tough,full of talent. It silly to call these guys JAGS seeing what they bring to the game. You can call them names. You can hate them when they beat you. You can hope your team can beat them You can hope your team can negate them with good gameplans. But they are paid millions because they are great players. All NFL players are great athletes. I use the term JAG and it isn't even really an insult. Just Another Guy. Mike Devito is pretty much a JAG, but the guy does the job and the Jets couldn't win without guys like him. Brandon Moore? JAG. Matt Slauson? JAG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 What is a JAG? Isn't a physical freak, by definition, more than just a JAG. good question.. if the physical freak performs like a jag, then possibly, but still, the fact he's a physical freak means that he makes plays a JAG couldn't.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 What is a JAG? Isn't a physical freak, by definition, more than just a JAG. All NFL players are great athletes. I use the term JAG and it isn't even really an insult. Just Another Guy. Mike Devito is pretty much a JAG, but the guy does the job and the Jets couldn't win without guys like him. Brandon Moore? JAG. Matt Slauson? JAG. Semantics. Your def includes good starters, mine doesnt. (JAG?? Brandon Moore!?!?! top 5 at position) Beyond that, to lable another teams stars JAGs is beyond silly. My def? Marginal starters, second stringers, 50% of special teamers, practice squads, etc = JAG BTW, Disagree, not all NFL players are great athletes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 You'd be rocking a Welker Jets jersey by Week Three, saying how he saved El Model's career. Put Welker on the Jets, and he's a 40 catch guy. Jerricho Cotchery >>> White Wes Welker. If the Pats take these past three postseason losses to heart and learn something from them, and try to remake themselves into a physical football team, you'll see Welker's production dropoff there, too. For all of Welker's greatness, they haven't hoisted a Lombardi since his arrival. I also think Brandon Marshall is one of the most overrated players in the league. I don't think Parcells wanted anything to do with him, and that trade helped ease the Tuna's way out. I'd take our own Braylon Edwards over him given the total package that each guy brings to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Semantics. Your def includes good starters, mine doesnt. (JAG?? Brandon Moore!?!?! top 5 at position) Beyond that, to lable another teams stars JAGs is beyond silly. My def? Marginal starters, second stringers, 50% of special teamers, practice squads, etc = JAG BTW, Disagree, not all NFL players are great athletes. Ever play against one? I've played with plenty of guys that couldn't make it. For the most parts they are beasts. Juiced up monsters. I use the term JAG to mean guys that are actually Just Another Guy. Guys that can be replaced. Hell, I just stuck up for Joel Dreessen in another thread and he's sure a JAG. Mike Devito is a very nice player, but you can replace him fairly easily in the draft or free agency. Moore is top 5 at his position? Don't believe the hype. Still, I can see why you wouldn't label those guys JAGs, but it's more a matter of levels than any disagreement. IMO, there are guys that are beyond JAG because they are not easily replaced. Sometimes this includes lesser players production wise - Hester? Hell, Brad Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Put Welker on the Jets, and he's a 40 catch guy. Jerricho Cotchery >>> White Wes Welker. Probably true about the catch numbers. This is the best Braylon has been since 07 and he still only had, what, 52 catches here? I might not agree that Jerricho is a significantly better overall player than Welker, though, especially at this point in his career. The one thing this Jets team is missing is a legit underneath receiver for Sanchez to work with. Beating man coverage has never been Cotch's forte, and it's what Welker does so well, especially against nickel backs. Put him in the slot here between Santonio and Braylon and you have a more complete offense, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 You'd be rocking a Welker Jets jersey by Week Three, saying how he saved El Model's career. I dont wear Jerseys. What is a JAG? Isn't a physical freak, by definition, more than just a JAG. Vernon Gholston would hug you if you said this to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Probably true about the catch numbers. This is the best Braylon has been since 07 and he still only had, what, 52 catches here? I might not agree that Jerricho is a significantly better overall player than Welker, though, especially at this point in his career. The one thing this Jets team is missing is a legit underneath receiver for Sanchez to work with. Beating man coverage has never been Cotch's forte, and it's what Welker does so well, especially against nickel backs. Put him in the slot here between Santonio and Braylon and you have a more complete offense, IMO. I don't disagree with you, but see it more as a design problem than a personnel problem. Pats run a sh*tload of pick plays to help Welker get open in man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Vernon Gholston would hug you if you said this to him. True enough. I was thinking more about guys that have shown their freakyness on the field. More along the lines of an early career Vernon Davis, but point taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Ever play against one? I've played with plenty of guys that couldn't make it. For the most parts they are beasts. Juiced up monsters. I use the term JAG to mean guys that are actually Just Another Guy. Guys that can be replaced. Hell, I just stuck up for Joel Dreessen in another thread and he's sure a JAG. Mike Devito is a very nice player, but you can replace him fairly easily in the draft or free agency. Moore is top 5 at his position? Don't believe the hype. Still, I can see why you wouldn't label those guys JAGs, but it's more a matter of levels than any disagreement. IMO, there are guys that are beyond JAG because they are not easily replaced. Sometimes this includes lesser players production wise - Hester? Hell, Brad Smith. Disagree totally with Devito. The guy would start on a lot of NFL teams. Same with Pouha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Disagree totally with Devito. The guy would start on a lot of NFL teams. Same with Pouha. Totally? Did you read my definition? I don't equate JAG or not with starter/backup. The guy is a replaceable part. He is good, but not special. Don't get me wrong, I'm actually a huge Devito fan. I was telling everybody we'd be fine with him playing every down at DE this offseason when people were squawking that we needed to draft a DE, sign a FA DE, etc. I also think he's been huge in these playoffs. These monster games are what will make me rethink my JAG analysis, but basically, he's just solid (extrememly solid and reliable) but not special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Disagree totally with Devito. The guy would start on a lot of NFL teams. Same with Pouha. Agree with that. Alot of this has to do with preconceived notions and even prejudice based upon a players football pedigree and draft position. ie, Devito went to Maine, not exactly USC or OSU. It causes some teams and their fans to view them differently. Look at Buffalos QB Ryan Fitzpatrick. He went to an Ivy league school so he wasnt a highly regarded prospect. He played so well they dumped Trent Edwards (Stanford) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Devito is the definition of a JAG .. His picture might be next to the word in dictionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Agree with that. Alot of this has to do with preconceived notions and even prejudice based upon a players football pedigree and draft position. ie, Devito went to Maine, not exactly USC or OSU. It causes some teams and their fans to view them differently. Look at Buffalos QB Ryan Fitzpatrick. He went to an Ivy league school so he wasnt a highly regarded prospect. He played so well they dumped Trent Edwards (Stanford) False. It has to do with size/speed numbers. There are players that can do the spectacular and there are lunchpail guys that do the work play after play. You need both to win. I guess I use the JAG term a little more freely than most. Chris Baker was a fine all around TE, but he was a JAG. I never thought of Trent Edwards as anything but a JAG. He's not like Flacco. Still either of them are better than Russell, but Russell isn't a JAG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Put Welker on the Jets, and he's a 40 catch guy. Jerricho Cotchery >>> White Wes Welker. If the Pats take these past three postseason losses to heart and learn something from them, and try to remake themselves into a physical football team, you'll see Welker's production dropoff there, too. For all of Welker's greatness, they haven't hoisted a Lombardi since his arrival. I also think Brandon Marshall is one of the most overrated players in the league. I don't think Parcells wanted anything to do with him, and that trade helped ease the Tuna's way out. I'd take our own Braylon Edwards over him given the total package that each guy brings to the table. While I think it has more to do with the other side of the ball, I agree 110% with your toughness point. The Jets are almost a carbon copy of those early Patriots. A team lead by the D and QB that does what he needs to when called upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 Totally? Did you read my definition? I don't equate JAG or not with starter/backup. The guy is a replaceable part. He is good, but not special. Don't get me wrong, I'm actually a huge Devito fan. I was telling everybody we'd be fine with him playing every down at DE this offseason when people were squawking that we needed to draft a DE, sign a FA DE, etc. I also think he's been huge in these playoffs. These monster games are what will make me rethink my JAG analysis, but basically, he's just solid (extrememly solid and reliable) but not special. I think Moore is a very underrated player, one of the better RG's in the league. More than a JAG. Recently, DeVito has been much more than a JAG. JMHO Welker is a JAG. They get the same production from Edelman and would with 30 other WR's in the league. They could get that production plus some now with Woodcock because he is also a threat out of the backfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 I think Moore is a very underrated player, one of the better RG's in the league. More than a JAG. Recently, DeVito has been much more than a JAG. JMHO Welker is a JAG. They get the same production from Edelman and would with 30 other WR's in the league. They could get that production plus some now with Woodcock because he is also a threat out of the backfield. I think we disagree on Moore and Devito because we have different definitions of JAG. I admit that it's hard to rate guards beyond thumbs up or thumbs down without more than watching the game once or twice on TV. We disagree on Welker because we disagree on Welker. I still think Welker is overrated. Just underrated by you. Same production from Edelman? The ******* guy had 7 catches. The genius of Bill Belichick is overstated, but if Edelman was the equal of Welker he'd have had more than 7 catches. The guy has two TDs in 2 years and one was on a return. There is no definition of JAG whereby Devito isn't, but Welker is. The guy is a solid starter, if that's your criteria and you are taking the elite out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 I think we disagree on Moore and Devito because we have different definitions of JAG. I admit that it's hard to rate guards beyond thumbs up or thumbs down without more than watching the game once or twice on TV. We disagree on Welker because we disagree on Welker. I still think Welker is overrated. Just underrated by you. Same production from Edelman? The ******* guy had 7 catches. The genius of Bill Belichick is overstated, but if Edelman was the equal of Welker he'd have had more than 7 catches. The guy has two TDs in 2 years and one was on a return. There is no definition of JAG whereby Devito isn't, but Welker is. The guy is a solid starter, if that's your criteria and you are taking the elite out of it. Yeah, I got carried away. They are kind of similar in ways. They are both good in their systems, but probably would suck some where else. They both clearly have value in each system, but I'd probably take over 30 players before either of them at their position if I was building a team. Which is why I think they are both JAGs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Yeah, I got carried away. They are kind of similar in ways. They are both good in their systems, but probably would suck some where else. They both clearly have value in each system, but I'd probably take over 30 players before either of them at their position if I was building a team. Which is why I think they are both JAGs. White guilt cough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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