WWWWombat Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2011&month=0&season1=2011&ind=0 Sabermetrically, it's: 1. Bautista 2. Granderson 3. Gonzalez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 Derek Jeter never started 2 and 10 in the majors. If Adrian had better leadership skills and intangibles this never would have happened. Nomar > Jeter http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2011&month=0&season1=2011&ind=0 Sabermetrically, it's: 1. Bautista 2. Granderson 3. Gonzalez I guess we know what MM used to rub one out to last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 Nomar > Jeter I guess we know what MM used to rub one out to last night. But Ellsbury is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 But Ellsbury is better. They are both having good years. Can't we just leave it at that? Admit you were wrong and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 They are both having good years. Can't we just leave it at that? Admit you were wrong and move on. I'm not the one who made the moronic statement that ellsbury is better than Granderson. And he's just bringing it up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I'm not the one who made the moronic statement that ellsbury is better than Granderson. And he's just bringing it up again. You have brought up time and again how you think Ellsbury is "garbage". Time to eat your crow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 You have brought up time and again how you think Ellsbury is "garbage". Time to eat your crow. I've said before that he isn't playing like garbage this season (though he had up to the point that i said that) and that by the end of the season, his numbers will be pretty close to what he had done before this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I've said before that he isn't playing like garbage this season (though he had up to the point that i said that) and that by the end of the season, his numbers will be pretty close to what he had done before this season. No. They won't. He's been playing at this level all season and there is no reason to believe he'll have a fall off. He is young and entering his prime. He's a good ball player. Major league players have recognized that. It's time you should as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I'm not the one who made the moronic statement that ellsbury is better than Granderson. And he's just bringing it up again. Granderson has power and that is it. He is a fleet footed Dave Kingman. No one thinks a career hitter .269 hitter is a great player....except you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 9, 2011 Author Share Posted July 9, 2011 Granderson has power and that is it. He is a fleet footed Dave Kingman. No one thinks a career hitter .269 hitter is a great player....except you. I hate guys that hit for power. Give me Mike Bordick any day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I hate guys that hit for power. Give me Mike Bordick any day of the week. Dude.......getting beyond your apples and oranges comparison, Is it that uncommon for a SS/2B to have no power or hit? No. Granderson has power. Other than that he is at best an average hitter and he is the lower realm of average hitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 No. They won't. He's been playing at this level all season and there is no reason to believe he'll have a fall off. He is young and entering his prime. He's a good ball player. Major league players have recognized that. It's time you should as well. Lets see what the back of his baseball card looks like when the season is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Dude.......getting beyond your apples and oranges comparison, Is it that uncommon for a SS/2B to have no power or hit? No. Granderson has power. Other than that he is at best an average hitter and he is the lower realm of average hitter. A CF with granderson's power is just as rare as a 2B with one these days. Also the moronic idea that he's overrated because of his power is like saying that Nolan Ryan was overrated because of his fastball. Complete nonsense from a know nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 10, 2011 Author Share Posted July 10, 2011 Joey Bats- First half AL MVP. What a season this dude is having. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 A CF with granderson's power is just as rare as a 2B with one these days. Also the moronic idea that he's overrated because of his power is like saying that Nolan Ryan was overrated because of his fastball. Complete nonsense from a know nothing. Do you believe your own BS? 6xCFs hit over 20 HRs last year. 4 hit over 20 in 2009. 6 hit over 20 in 2008. And this does not include the half dozen that hit 18 or 19 over the same span. You will probably have 4-6 this year as well. So his "rare" ability is not exactly rare. Granderson 101 HRs over the 4 years Matt Kemp 94. Yeah, that is rare like Ryan's 5700Ks and 7 no-hitters. Plus, Matt Kemp can actually hit unlike Granderson. So your Granderson's power to Nolan Ryan's fastball analogy is like you totally off base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Jose Bautista. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share Posted July 11, 2011 Do you believe your own BS? 6xCFs hit over 20 HRs last year. 4 hit over 20 in 2009. 6 hit over 20 in 2008. And this does not include the half dozen that hit 18 or 19 over the same span. You will probably have 4-6 this year as well. So his "rare" ability is not exactly rare. Granderson 101 HRs over the 4 years Matt Kemp 94. Yeah, that is rare like Ryan's 5700Ks and 7 no-hitters. Plus, Matt Kemp can actually hit unlike Granderson. So your Granderson's power to Nolan Ryan's fastball analogy is like you totally off base. Granderson cant hit? Huh? Your trying to make an argument that isnt there. Saying Granderson is fast and only hits for power like thats a bad thing. Cmon....I'll take that from my CF any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Do you believe your own BS? 6xCFs hit over 20 HRs last year. 4 hit over 20 in 2009. 6 hit over 20 in 2008. And this does not include the half dozen that hit 18 or 19 over the same span. You will probably have 4-6 this year as well. So his "rare" ability is not exactly rare. Granderson 101 HRs over the 4 years Matt Kemp 94. Yeah, that is rare like Ryan's 5700Ks and 7 no-hitters. Plus, Matt Kemp can actually hit unlike Granderson. So your Granderson's power to Nolan Ryan's fastball analogy is like you totally off base. Granderson and Kemp are the 2 best CF's in baseball right now so thats not actually a bad comparison at all. Your retarded implication that Granderson can't hit just so dumb the only response is to laugh at you. I also love how being 1 of the only 4-6 CF's with power in baseball is a bad thing in your dumb world. Even last year when he had a down year by his standards, he was one of the top 5 CF's in baseball in OPS and he's been that for every year but 1 since he's been in the major leagues. What in the hell could you be possibly be talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Granderson and Kemp are the 2 best CF's in baseball right now so thats not actually a bad comparison at all. Your retarded implication that Granderson can't hit just so dumb the only response is to laugh at you. I also love how being 1 of the only 4-6 CF's with power in baseball is a bad thing in your dumb world. Even last year when he had a down year by his standards, he was one of the top 5 CF's in baseball in OPS and he's been that for every year but 1 since he's been in the major leagues. What in the hell could you be possibly be talking about? Riddle me this.....when in the history of MLB has .269 batting average been considered good? Jeter is getting ripped for hitting .270. Never, except maybe during the dead ball era. Granderson is not a good hitter. He can't hit for average. He strikes out way too much. He has power. That boosts his SLG which in turn boosts his OPS. If he did not have power, he would be in an over 30 softball league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 Riddle me this.....when in the history of MLB has .269 batting average been considered good? Jeter is getting ripped for hitting .270. Never, except maybe during the dead ball era. Granderson is not a good hitter. He can't hit for average. He strikes out way too much. He has power. That boosts his SLG which in turn boosts his OPS. If he did not have power, he would be in an over 30 softball league. You know how many good players I could say that about in the MLB? On the Red Sox? You aren't making a point. You just dislike Granderson for whatever reason. Its bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Riddle me this.....when in the history of MLB has .269 batting average been considered good? Jeter is getting ripped for hitting .270. Never, except maybe during the dead ball era. Granderson is not a good hitter. He can't hit for average. He strikes out way too much. He has power. That boosts his SLG which in turn boosts his OPS. If he did not have power, he would be in an over 30 softball league. Batting average is probably the most meaningless stat you could possibly name. If you have no better argument than his BA you're just bind a blind hater (which is what you're doing.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 CC Sabathia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 CC Sabathia. CY Sabathia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 CY Sabathia Did Verlander die in a plane crash? Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Did Verlander die in a plane crash? Link? Verlander pitches in a canyon. CC's adjusted ERA is close to catching him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Verlander pitches in a canyon. CC's adjusted ERA is close to catching him. CC also gets 9 runs of support every game which costs him votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 CC also gets 9 runs of support every game which costs him votes. He doesn't need it the way he's pitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 He doesn't need it the way he's pitching. Word. I just think he'll get burned at the end of the year again. When you think of CC, you think 7 innings, 3 runs, 5 Ks. His lack of flash will hurt him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 He doesn't need it the way he's pitching. Word. I just think he'll get burned at the end of the year again. When you think of CC, you think 7 innings, 3 runs, 5 Ks. His lack of flash will hurt him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Word. I just think he'll get burned at the end of the year again. When you think of CC, you think 7 innings, 3 runs, 5 Ks. His lack of flash will hurt him. If thats what you think of him you're really underrating him. He's been a top 5 pitcher in baseball every year for about 8 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Joey Bats- First half AL MVP. What a season this dude is having. Yeah. Shame he is hurt again. 31 bombs and he has missed about 12 games so far this season. Ellsbury looks like the best lead-off hitter in the game. Pedroia has returned to form as well. Yanks need to stay close while ARod is on the shelf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 CC has been a saving grace but they never really consider a pitcher for the MVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 CC has been a saving grace but they never really consider a pitcher for the MVP. He's on pace for 23-27 wins If he continues dominating the AL like he does, he'll get it Then, the Yanks will pay him $250 million next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Yeah. Shame he is hurt again. 31 bombs and he has missed about 12 games so far this season. Ellsbury looks like the best lead-off hitter in the game. Pedroia has returned to form as well. Yanks need to stay close while ARod is on the shelf. There are a few good things going for them. One, they have a nice lead in the wildcard. Last, the Sox rotation is.....who knows. Beckett will show tonight if the knee is no issue. Lets see how Lester looks when he is back. Same with Bucholz, probably the most alarming of the injuries. Lackey, Wake, Miller and Weiland are like a box of chocolates. Their offense will win more often then not like the Yankees, but Lackey is your #2...sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 21, 2011 Author Share Posted July 21, 2011 Sabathia...........why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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