Barcs Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 We can talk all we want about allocating money, but no matter where you spend the money, the offense only gets better if Sanchez gets better. There's not much we can do in free agency to change that. So you feel that signing Holmes rather than some scrub won't make the least bit of difference? Yes, it does depend on Sanchez improving, but giving him the best tools for the job is important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Nnamdi Asomugha and his asking price are an unnecessary luxury fueled by media hype. Resign Braylon dammit. How about the Jets sign Aso and JiF comes to your place 3-7 times a week wearing a Braylon Edwards mask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I want Kevin Boss. :::slinks back into corner::: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I ninja'd both of you, so there. How much improvement can you expect when you downgrade his #2 weapon from Braylon Edwards to Chansi Stucky? I mean, you'd hope a 3rd year, early 1st round QB, can succeed without two legit #1 WRs. Holmes and Braylon is a luxury too, when you're spending that kind of money on a QB. Sanchez needs to be better, and if so, the Jets will make the Super Bowl with or without Braylon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 If this was baseball and we wer the Yankees, I'd agree 100% .. since we're not, signing Asomugha at the expense of the rest of the team is a bad idea. The opportunity cost of this move could be sanchez's progression Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 How about the Jets sign Aso and JiF comes to your place 3-7 times a week wearing a Braylon Edwards mask? As intriguing as that may be I like Braylon more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Report: 49ers are Jets’ main competition in Nnamdi Asomugha sweepstakes Posted by Michael David Smith on July 27, 2011, 12:03 PM EDT Getty Images Nnamdi Asomugha may be staying in the Bay Area. Although the conventional wisdom that the Jets are working hard to land Asomugha remains in place, there’s a new competitor to the Jets in the competition for Asomugha’s services: The San Francisco 49ers. Michael Lombardi of NFL Network reports that the Jets’ main competition for Asomugha right now is San Francisco, and the 49ers are in it strong. The Houston Texans are also still in the mix, and it’s entirely possible that there’s a surprise entrant in the Asomugha sweepstakes will make an appearance. But right now, San Francisco is apparently looking like a good destination. Adding Asomugha, the ex-Raiders cornerback who’s widely viewed as the top prize in all of free agency, would be a huge coup for the 49ers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 go 49'ers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 This would be the second time the 9ers spent huge money on a CB in the last few years... Dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I mean, you'd hope a 3rd year, early 1st round QB, can succeed without two legit #1 WRs. Holmes and Braylon is a luxury too, when you're spending that kind of money on a QB. Sanchez needs to be better, and if so, the Jets will make the Super Bowl with or without Braylon. If Sanchez is better we will make the super bowl with or without Asomugha too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 If Sanchez is better we will make the super bowl with or without Asomugha too Brian Schottenheimer disagrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 If Sanchez is better we will make the super bowl with or without Asomugha too Maybe so. But you know what? Don't kill some of us for being fans and thinking how amazing it would be to see the Jets have the greatest CB tandem of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus One Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Asomugha is simply using the Jets to drive up the price other teams will be willing to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I mean, you'd hope a 3rd year, early 1st round QB, can succeed without two legit #1 WRs. Holmes and Braylon is a luxury too, when you're spending that kind of money on a QB. Sanchez needs to be better, and if so, the Jets will make the Super Bowl with or without Braylon. Sanchez' improvement should be the #1 priority. While he shouldn't necessarily need two #1 WR's, it's better money spent than on two #1 CB's. Especially when you consider the fact that the two #1 WR's will cost a lot less. Either way, he needs a legit #2 WR. I don't think Cotchery or Turner or Kerley is that guy. Report: 49ers are Jets’ main competition in Nnamdi Asomugha sweepstakes Posted by Michael David Smith on July 27, 2011, 12:03 PM EDT Getty Images Nnamdi Asomugha may be staying in the Bay Area. Although the conventional wisdom that the Jets are working hard to land Asomugha remains in place, there’s a new competitor to the Jets in the competition for Asomugha’s services: The San Francisco 49ers. Michael Lombardi of NFL Network reports that the Jets’ main competition for Asomugha right now is San Francisco, and the 49ers are in it strong. The Houston Texans are also still in the mix, and it’s entirely possible that there’s a surprise entrant in the Asomugha sweepstakes will make an appearance. But right now, San Francisco is apparently looking like a good destination. Adding Asomugha, the ex-Raiders cornerback who’s widely viewed as the top prize in all of free agency, would be a huge coup for the 49ers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 if nnamdi signs with another team,he might win the super bowl if nnamdi signs with the jets,they might not win the super bowl,but he is guaranteed at least 1 thing.he and revis will hold the title of the best cb duo in the history of the nfl.period.that has got to be appealing to nnamdi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Asomugha is simply using the Jets to drive up the price other teams will be willing to offer. This makes no sense. Why do the Jets care what the 9ers or Texans pay for him? They clearly want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Maybe so. But you know what? Don't kill some of us for being fans and thinking how amazing it would be to see the Jets have the greatest CB tandem of all time. Lol.. This from the same guy who bloodied many a Horatio Alger Pennington's fans faces all the years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Asomugha is simply using the Jets to drive up the price other teams will be willing to offer. why is that? the jets obviously cant pay as much as other teams.and everybody knows that.if anything nnamdi is using other teams to drive the price up on the jets,where he truly wants to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus One Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 This makes no sense. Why do the Jets care what the 9ers or Texans pay for him? They clearly want him. Of course the Jets want him. I said, Asomugha is using the Jets to drive up the price other teams are willing to offer. Example: 49ers: "Nnamdi, we really want you. We'll give you $14 million a year." Nnamdi: "I don't know. I kinda want to go to the Jets. Rex is cool, and me and Revis are boys." 49ers: "Fine. We'll give you $16 million." Nnamdi: "See you Friday." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Lol.. This from the same guy who bloodied many a Horatio Alger Pennington's fans faces all the years Unfair comparison. Pennington Sucked. Asomugha does not. He may not be the best usage of the money, but he will improve our defense. And, I don't agree that the #1 D can't be better. Unless you put up 16 shut outs, you can always be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Nickname for the Jets secondary if it happens: Nnamdarrelle Revisomugha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Of course the Jets want him. I said, Asomugha is using the Jets to drive up the price other teams are willing to offer. Example: 49ers: "Nnamdi, we really want you. We'll give you $14 million a year." Nnamdi: "I don't know. I kinda want to go to the Jets. Rex is cool, and me and Revis are boys." 49ers: "Fine. We'll give you $16 million." Nnamdi: "See you Friday." Every report says that he's looking to win, not just for the money, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus One Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 why is that? the jets obviously cant pay as much as other teams.and everybody knows that.if anything nnamdi is using other teams to drive the price up on the jets,where he truly wants to play He's putting it out there that he wants to play for the Jets. So other teams will need to offer him more to get him to go to their team. Jeez...I'm glad none of you knuckleheads are my agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Every report says that he's looking to win, not just for the money, Oh he'll win alright: Get that money Nnamdi, go make it rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Unfair comparison. Not really, you're advocating to be allowed to be a fan and root for something to happen that might not be in the team best intrests... like having pennington start Pennington Sucked. Asomugha does not. He may not be the best usage of the money, but he will improve our defense. And, I don't agree that the #1 D can't be better. Unless you put up 16 shut outs, you can always be better. Diminishing returns though.. For that kind of cash, is it better to get a little better on defense then a lot better on offense? How many wins do we add moving from allowing 16 pts per game to 15.5? Unless you are predicting we're entering 00 Ravens territory with this move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 As intriguing as that may be I like Braylon more. I'm tellin' ya. You put that Braylon mask on JiF and you won't know the difference. (Quick! Someone with photoshop skills please put Braylon's head on that picture of JiF surfing!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 if nnamdi signs with another team,he might win the super bowl if nnamdi signs with the jets,they might not win the super bowl,but he is guaranteed at least 1 thing.he and revis will hold the title of the best cb duo in the history of the nfl.period.that has got to be appealing to nnamdi Why? He's interested in playing here, obviously, but you think being the #2 man in the best CB duo in history is a big deal to him? Please.... He wouldn't be interested in signing here if he didn't think he could win a Super Bowl here. SF is more of a longshot in that regard, so they'll have to come up with more cash. I don't think a better CB opposite him would make much of a difference in his decision making process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 There are no elite pass rushers who are FA's. What about Tamba Hali? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted July 27, 2011 Author Share Posted July 27, 2011 I ninja'd both of you, so there. How much improvement can you expect when you downgrade his #2 weapon from Braylon Edwards to Chansi Stucky? His number 2 weapon would be Cotchery. His number 3 weapon would be Keller (who, remember, was putting up all-pro numbers when he was the number 3 target in the offense those first 4 weeks, and faded once Santonio came aboard and sucked up the targets). Stuckey would be a No. 4 target (or 5, behind LT) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Not really, you're advocating to be allowed to be a fan and root for something to happen that might not be in the team best intrests... like having pennington start Diminishing returns though.. For that kind of cash, is it better to get a little better on defense then a lot better on offense? I'm not 100% on board with this either but for the benefit of the board can you please explain why you are against this using the most esoteric and nerdiest language possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 What about Tamba Hali? Wasn't he franchised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus One Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Why? He's interested in playing here, obviously, but you think being the #2 man in the best CB duo in history is a big deal to him? Please.... He wouldn't be interested in signing here if he didn't think he could win a Super Bowl here. SF is more of a longshot in that regard, so they'll have to come up with more cash. I don't think a better CB opposite him would make much of a difference in his decision making process. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I've seen it over and over: "We can't spend 20% of our cap on a number 2 CB". And if we are truly talking about a No. 2 CB (like Cro), or even a typical No. 1 (great CB, can cover most receivers 1 on 1, can cover elite WRs with safety help) I'd agree. Asomugha is different. Asomugha is, like Revis, entirely capable of shutting down any WR in the league 1 on 1, without safety help. Here's what adding Asomugha to the Jets would do: 1) Maximize Revis' value. Right now, QBs have learned to avoid Revis. Revis was targeted 108 times in 2009 (7.5 times per game). Despite continuing to cover No. 1 WRs, that dropped to 56 times (in 13 games) in 2010, roughly 4 times per game. Cromartie was targeted 101 times. Putting Asomugha on the other side of Revis would force QBs to target Revis more often (and, with Revis on the other side of Asomugha, Asomugha would see more than his usual share of targets as well). The more usage we get out of Revis, the more value we get for our investment in him. 2) Maximize Our Blitz Packages. Asomugha's presence would also allow Revis to be used as a blitzer, which he is actually fairly good at. With both Revis and Asomugha on the field, Revis is in play as a blitzer, adding another wrinkle for offenses to worry about. More, Asomugha, like Revis, does not need safety help. As such, Rex will be able to send more varied combinations of blitzers on any given play, as he will be able to rely on two CBs to entirely eliminate two WRs. 3) Maximize Our Run Defense. Similarly, because we will have two CBs who do not need safety help, we would likely play 8-in-the-box as our base defense against standard (2WR) formations, relying on a single high safety to clean up mistakes and play centerfield (a role Lowery is particularly suited for) 4) Maximize Our Pass Defense. Remember what we did to the Pats in the playoff game? Flood the intermediate zones with defenders, double receivers coming across the middle? Playing 9 on 9 makes that strategy even more useful - and even allows it to be combined with a blitzer (who would otherwise be occupied helping our No. 2 CB. Bottom line: IMO, Asomugha makes a lot of sense for this defense, even at a significant cost. He would take the defense from very good to elite, by allowing Rex to play 9 on 9 against the league. How do you pass when your top two WRs are covered by Revis and Asomugha and your 3rd WR is double covered? How do you run, consistently, against 8 in the box? Great post. All morning on Boston sports radio I listed to the DJs go crazy with excitement and fear of the idea of what Rex could do with his blitzes if he had Revis / Aso... oh, that and their callers chiming in saying that Jets tampered talking about Aso and some other crap about dead money... basically cheater fans, calling the Jets cheaters... because their team is going down, while ours is going up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted July 27, 2011 Author Share Posted July 27, 2011 Not really, you're advocating to be allowed to be a fan and root for something to happen that might not be in the team best intrests... like having pennington start Diminishing returns though.. For that kind of cash, is it better to get a little better on defense then a lot better on offense? How many wins do we add moving from allowing 16 pts per game to 15.5? Unless you are predicting we're entering 00 Ravens territory with this move I am. It would be nearly impossible to pass on the Jets - No. 1 and No. 2 WRs out of the question, No. 3 WR/TE doubled on every passing down, or zones flooded . . . So teams would need to run on us. But our run defense is already ridiculously strong and will be better for adding Asomugha given that will enable us to drop a safety into the box on running downs. The best way to attack that D would be to throw to TEs on first down . . . that's not a recipe for success for most offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Nickname for the Jets secondary if it happens: Nnamdarrelle Revisomugha. i kinda like revis island and awsomewah PURGATORY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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