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Looking at the New York Jets Salary Cap Part (NYJETSCAP)


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#1 LAD_Brooklyn

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 03:02 AM

Roster Cuts and Renegotiations
http://nyjetscap.com...s-...part1.html

Restructures and Extensions
http://nyjetscap.com...s-...part2.html

The Final Conclusions
http://nyjetscap.com...s-...part3.html
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:48 AM

Big read, but in it Jason clears out a path to a significant amount of cap space in 2013 without much pain at all. After reading it, this season all of a sudden doesn't look quite as hopeless. Outside of the QB situation, of course.
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 12:20 PM

I skipped ahead to the conclusion but will get to the rest in the next hour. Stunned, STUNNED, to find out that yet another issue is extremely overblown.

Edited by SenorGato, 02 February 2013 - 12:26 PM.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 01:31 PM

long but informative......this guy knows wtf he's talking about when it comes to the cap and nfl contracts
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:05 PM

Is it too late to make this guy the new GM??
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:24 PM

Is it too late to make this guy the new GM??


Even less personnel experience than Tannenbaum or New Tannenbaum.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:14 AM

I skipped ahead to the conclusion but will get to the rest in the next hour. Stunned, STUNNED, to find out that yet another issue is extremely overblown.


I bet people didn't read the part where it was assumed that Revis bolts the Jets though.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 05:48 AM

The cap is navigable. Nice. But the roster is still loaded with dead weight that needs to be replaced, and it'll take more than a few mil in cap space to do that in the short term. Idzik has mentioned a few times the term "evolution of the roster," which is exciting because it indicates to me that he'll build in a way that doesn't require binge-and-purges the way Tannenbaum had. He's going to be aware of which players need to be paid and when, and which players to let walk, allowing for long-term foundation building instead of throwing money at old vets to come in and prop up the roster for two years.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:26 AM

Our new GM should hire Jason just to have somebody else in the front office who has half a brain.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:41 AM

As much as people are down on him, Calvin Pace will be missed. He may not be a game changer or great in coverage but he has been consistent and reliable since he has been here.

In 5 seasons with the Jets, Pace has averaged 5.6 sacks, 47.4 solo tackles, and 2.4 forced fumbles per season.

That is respectable production for his position.

All that being said, that was an outstanding write up by Jason.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:19 AM

Calvin Pace is rank is the bottom of the league as far as productivity among 3-4 OLB. He's amongst the top in pass rushing attempts and the percentage of pressure/sacks he's provided where atrocious. Paying an elite players like Revis won't hurt your cap but players like Scott and Pace will. That's why I hate going after mid-tier talent in free agency as your going to have to pay them a premium and most of the type it's just horrible value.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:26 AM

Calvin Pace is rank is the bottom of the league as far as productivity among 3-4 OLB. He's amongst the top in pass rushing attempts and the percentage of pressure/sacks he's provided where atrocious. Paying an elite players like Revis won't hurt your cap but players like Scott and Pace will. That's why I hate going after mid-tier talent in free agency as your going to have to pay them a premium and most of the type it's just horrible value.


I don't really care where he is ranked (although I am curious where you are getting those statistics from), his roll in our defense is not the same as most protypical 3-4 OLB'ers, you can't argue with his production.

In 5 seasons with the Jets, Pace has averaged 5.6 sacks, 47.4 solo tackles, and 2.4 forced fumbles per season and those numbers are straight off of his NFL.com players page.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:02 PM

Calvin Pace is rank is the bottom of the league as far as productivity among 3-4 OLB. He's amongst the top in pass rushing attempts and the percentage of pressure/sacks he's provided where atrocious. Paying an elite players like Revis won't hurt your cap but players like Scott and Pace will. That's why I hate going after mid-tier talent in free agency as your going to have to pay them a premium and most of the type it's just horrible value.


Calvin Pace wasn't a mid-tier FA that year, he was the top of the class. The Jets and fish were in something of a bidding war, and Tannenbaum wasn't one to ever lose out in a bidding war. Another big failing for him. A GM needs to be a smart talent evaluator, who's able to put a dollar value on these players - and then stick to it.

Paying Revis what he's rumored to want would be excessive under any circumstances, paying him coming off the ACL is way too risky to consider.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:10 PM

The cap is navigable. Nice. But the roster is still loaded with dead weight that needs to be replaced, and it'll take more than a few mil in cap space to do that in the short term. Idzik has mentioned a few times the term "evolution of the roster," which is exciting because it indicates to me that he'll build in a way that doesn't require binge-and-purges the way Tannenbaum had. He's going to be aware of which players need to be paid and when, and which players to let walk, allowing for long-term foundation building instead of throwing money at old vets to come in and prop up the roster for two years.


...figures.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:43 PM

Calvin Pace wasn't a mid-tier FA that year, he was the top of the class. The Jets and fish were in something of a bidding war, and Tannenbaum wasn't one to ever lose out in a bidding war. Another big failing for him. A GM needs to be a smart talent evaluator, who's able to put a dollar value on these players - and then stick to it.

Paying Revis what he's rumored to want would be excessive under any circumstances, paying him coming off the ACL is way too risky to consider.


I find it hard to believe you would debate that Calvin Pace isn't a mid-tier talent even going back to when he was a free agent. If you do then I won't go back an forth and leave it as that.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:46 PM

I find it hard to believe you would debate that Calvin Pace isn't a mid-tier talent even going back to when he was a free agent. If you do then I won't go back an forth and leave it as that.


If you're saying that he was a mid tier talent that got overpriced because of the market, I can agree with that. But he was the top of the market, and it was our GM who chose to overpay. Lots of GM's knew not to.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:47 PM

I don't really care where he is ranked (although I am curious where you are getting those statistics from), his roll in our defense is not the same as most protypical 3-4 OLB'ers, you can't argue with his production.

In 5 seasons with the Jets, Pace has averaged 5.6 sacks, 47.4 solo tackles, and 2.4 forced fumbles per season and those numbers are straight off of his NFL.com players page.


So your saying you don't care about his stats, however you go on to show me stats. ***Shrugs***

Also to your main point " respectable production for his position". If a 3rd 4th rounder then I would agree. But not as a key, big time free agent. I'm pretty sure with the money we gave him many would have expect more from pace. If not then your just ok with mediocrity.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:57 PM

just want to point out that deep down in this article, is the advice to give Mark Sanchez another 7 million dollar bonus.

If you're John Idzik that's probably not on your 'to do' items to talk to Woody about. Yeah Boss we need to pay mark Sanchez more money so we can dump him.

enough. Mark has gotten enough from this franchise. let him play this year and be done with it already.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:12 PM

Pace was paid like a mid teir starting DE/OLB and he produced like a mid tier starting quality LBer. His contract only became another whining point on the giant pile of whining points once Gholston proved to be 100% ineffective.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:13 PM

Pace was paid like a mid teir starting DE/OLB and he produced like a mid tier starting quality LBer. His contract only became another whining point on the giant pile of whining points once Gholston proved to be 100% ineffective.


the pace contract wasn't terrible but it's also time for him to move on. Garrett Mc is their only "starter" at OLB this is probably the year they go pass rusher early
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:15 PM

I would look to bring back one of Pace/Scott on the cheap after cutting them.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:51 PM

just want to point out that deep down in this article, is the advice to give Mark Sanchez another 7 million dollar bonus.

If you're John Idzik that's probably not on your 'to do' items to talk to Woody about. Yeah Boss we need to pay mark Sanchez more money so we can dump him.

enough. Mark has gotten enough from this franchise. let him play this year and be done with it already.


No. They suggest that $7M of his already guaranteed $8.25M could be converted into bonus money to ease the cap hit this year and maybe, possibly, make him a little tradeable. No new money.

But if you want to argue against the Jets having any potential cap room, feel free. Lol.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:58 PM

No. They suggest that $7M of his already guaranteed $8.25M could be converted into bonus money to ease the cap hit this year and maybe, possibly, make him a little tradeable. No new money.



if there's no new money, why would he do it? im not being sarcastic just don't get why Mark would make life easier for the Jets, for free.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:05 PM

if there's no new money, why would he do it? im not being sarcastic just don't get why Mark would make life easier for the Jets, for free.


Because it doesn't hurt him. Instead of waiting to collect his money during the season, he'd get 90% of it up front. And if he's actually going to play QB for the team, freeing up some cap room to add players that might help him out on the field would also be an incentive.

If the Jets want nothing to do with him, and it helps him go somewhere that he is wanted, that's no so bad, either.

So yeah, lots of reasons. Starting with $7M in his pocket in March.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:20 PM

I bet people didn't read the part where it was assumed that Revis bolts the Jets though.


Meh, still not a necessary move to create some workable cap room over the next year+.
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