4HCrew Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Before this year Henderson was a hot commodity and now he is scratching around for DC positions. What was it? the poor season? the preseason scuffle? Many Jets fans considered this guy great and now are throwing him around. Where did he go wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 great question..last season we were worried about losing him to a HC position, now he is un-employed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Not 100% sure but I would guess that getting in to a shouting match with TB and playing the race card when Heimerdinger got the money he got didn't help his cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Being associated with Herman Edwards is like being a member of a leper colony. I don't think DH deserves to be thrown to the wolves by any stretch. He showed some good work 2 seasons ago when the Jets D was one of the toughest. This year however, it was pathetic. No pass rush whatsoever, ridiculously terrible run defense. Yes some of that can be deflected to sh*tbags like Legree/Reed/D-Rob etc, but then again, what environment created this year's pathetic DL? You can't tell me losing Fergie brought down the house of cards. DH needs to take some of the responsibility for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 i think that preseason conflict with coughlin gave the impression he is high strung and not easy to work with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 From what I have read Henderson has a temper that will not quit. A good example was the Coughlin thing last year. He also called TB a racist for hiring Dinger for more money than he was getting and other things. He will be lucky to get any job other than the Chief job imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 The Jets defense SUCKED. That is the bottom line. Hardly any injuries and they added Ty Law. Yes the offense sucked and that had an effect but I submit exhibit A... 'The Chicago Bears Defense' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Donnie seemed like he couldn't adjust his defense. In other words, when offenses around the league saw the type of defense Donnie was running from the previous year, he made no adjustments...at least that's what it looked like to me. And that stupid 7 on 7 scrub with the Giants was a joke...some fans thought it was good to mix it up as a warm-up of things to come...LOL...what a joke! Said it then and I'll say it now, it did nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Dear Donnie, Enjoy K.C. Signed, The fans of the below average 2005 Jets Defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Donnie seemed like he couldn't adjust his defense. In other words, when offenses around the league saw the type of defense Donnie was running from the previous year, he made no adjustments...at least that's what it looked like to me. And that stupid 7 on 7 scrub with the Giants was a joke...some fans thought it was good to mix it up as a warm-up of things to come...LOL...what a joke! Said it then and I'll say it now, it did nothing! It certainly got the defense ready & foaming at the mouth for that week 1 game in KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Before this year Henderson was a hot commodity and now he is scratching around for DC positions. What was it? Not being able to stop the run in the NFL is the kiss of death for any team and/or DC. The Jets ranked 31st in that category last season. The Jets DLine underperformed all season long starting with the KC debacle and ending with the Bills game. It's not like Hendu didn't have the players to work with. He was just unable to get them to perform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Not being able to stop the run in the NFL is the kiss of death for any team and/or DC. The Jets ranked 31st in that category last season. The Jets DLine underperformed all season long starting with the KC debacle and ending with the Bills game. It's not like Hendu didn't have the players to work with. He was just unable to get them to perform. To have such disparity between pass to run was sickening. Having a top 10 pass defense with negligible pass rush shows that our secondary isn't as bad as advertised. Therin lies the problem however. It would be one thing to say, 'well at least they rushed the passer well' but they (DL) could barely do that as well. Face it, if anyone would have said in August that the Jets run defense would be our achilles heel, you would have laughed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryK Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Not being able to stop the run in the NFL is the kiss of death for any team and/or DC. The Jets ranked 31st in that category last season. The Jets DLine underperformed all season long starting with the KC debacle and ending with the Bills game. It's not like Hendu didn't have the players to work with. He was just unable to get them to perform. I'm on board with this theory only if the bad performance was mixed evenly between 1st & 2nd halves of games. 3 quarters of 3&outs will make any defense look bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaborJet Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Before this year Henderson was a hot commodity and now he is scratching around for DC positions. What was it? the poor season? the preseason scuffle? Many Jets fans considered this guy great and now are throwing him around. Where did he go wrong? Victim of circumstance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 The Jets defense SUCKED. That is the bottom line. Hardly any injuries and they added Ty Law. Yes the offense sucked and that had an effect but I submit exhibit A... 'The Chicago Bears Defense' a little late max, i posted this on all 3 message boards jets vs bears, 2 teams with nada O Bears D picked up team, jets D sh8t the bed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 To have such disparity between pass to run was sickening. Having a top 10 pass defense with negligible pass rush shows that our secondary isn't as bad as advertised. Therin lies the problem however. It would be one thing to say, 'well at least they rushed the passer well' but they (DL) could barely do that as well. Face it, if anyone would have said in August that the Jets run defense would be our achilles heel, you would have laughed Perhaps. Or it shows nothing of the sort since why would a team try to pass much against us when they already have the lead & we can't stop the run? If anyone has it, I'd be interested to see what our 3rd down pass defense looked like (or overall 3rd-&-4-or-more, when most teams pass). THEN you can compare apples to apples with the rest of the league. Don't know if that takes penalties into consideration though & we had our share of them on 3rd down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 To have such disparity between pass to run was sickening. Having a top 10 pass defense with negligible pass rush shows that our secondary isn't as bad as advertised. Therin lies the problem however. It would be one thing to say, 'well at least they rushed the passer well' but they (DL) could barely do that as well. Face it, if anyone would have said in August that the Jets run defense would be our achilles heel, you would have laughed It could also show that teams ran the ball against the Jets alot more then they threw the football. I don't know what the run/pass totals were this year but I would venture a guess that it was 2 to 1 in favor of runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 The Jets defense SUCKED. That is the bottom line. Hardly any injuries and they added Ty Law. Yes the offense sucked and that had an effect but I submit exhibit A... 'The Chicago Bears Defense' yup, cant be more on point. I also feel that Herm has a tendency to make coordintors more conservative over time. he had Donnie for the offseason and we definitly blitzed a hell of alot less,, u think that was a DH decision or a Herm edict? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 yup, cant be more on point. I also feel that Herm has a tendency to make coordintors more conservative over time. he had Donnie for the offseason and we definitly blitzed a hell of alot less,, u think that was a DH decision or a Herm edict? Bingo SJ..Hermie could make a Nymphomaniac give up Sex!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Bingo SJ..Hermie could make a Nymphomaniac give up Sex!! True. Wonder what role the Giants scrimmage played. Possibly Edwards worried about his media profile rather than his team's defense, told him to tone it down? But it may be deeper than that. Cotrell had to totally retool the Cover Who on the bye week in the first 2 years after it didn't work. Edwards imposed his grandiose and moronic scheme and demanded Cottrell make it work. While with Hederson, after firing Cottrell in 2003 for the defensive failure, he let Henderson do what ever it took in 2004. Looks like Hermie either corrupted Hendu or tried to impose his loopy ideas this year. Though with the offense sucking so bad, didn't really mattter. And having the HC weasel out of a contract after B!tching about it all year wasn't a sterling example of quality management. Every man for himself when the top guy does it is infectious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Q: Where did Donnie go wrong? A: Yes Herm I would love to be your defensive coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiamiJet Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 True. Wonder what role the Giants scrimmage played. Possibly Edwards worried about his media profile rather than his team's defense, told him to tone it down? But it may be deeper than that. Cotrell had to totally retool the Cover Who on the bye week in the first 2 years after it didn't work. Edwards imposed his grandiose and moronic scheme and demanded Cottrell make it work. While with Hederson, after firing Cottrell in 2003 for the defensive failure, he let Henderson do what ever it took in 2004. Looks like Hermie either corrupted Hendu or tried to impose his loopy ideas this year. Though with the offense sucking so bad, didn't really mattter. And having the HC weasel out of a contract after B!tching about it all year wasn't a sterling example of quality management. Every man for himself when the top guy does it is infectious. I don't know. I really don't buy into the Giants scrimmage thing. I look at guys like Tice, who threatened players to fights, sold his SuperBowl tickets against league rules, and was given grief for his players' lack of control on "The Love Boat", yet he was high on Bradway's list. Maybe this makes Bradway a fool, but there are some here and on other boards that actually liked the idea of Tice coming in and taking over. To me, the Tice situation was much worse, and that doesn't even factor in his team's blown starts of 5-1 and 6-0 two seasons in a row, or the disastrous draft situation in whcih the team let the clock run out. I also look at men like Mike Sherman, despite having a great track record as an OC and HC, with four successive years of making the playoffs, etc and he doesn't get a sniff. Jim Bates, Al Saunders are some others that have excellent credentials and they were also passed over. Go ask Jim Fassel. It seems to be the time of the unknowns, the youngsters, are getting their chance. Childress, Linehan, McCarthy, Kubiak, and Mangini are all getting their shot, and older guys like Marinelli are also getting their due. I think Donnie will get his chance, and a bunch of teams will be sorry. Same with Heimerdinger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Gotta say that if he was going to interview retreads Fassel and Bates should have gotten a serious look see. And yet I haven't heard that Bradway even spoke to either. While it won't happen, bringing in Tice or Haslett would have been a media and fanbase sheetstorm and a half.And that Bradway didn't see that immediately is pretty scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoJETS Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 I don't know if he ever was right! He went from secondary coach on a great defense - the Ravens to the Jets Defensive Coordinator and last year the Jets played well. This year they sucked (granted they had injuries). The Bears lost their QB and played a rookie QB and the defense carried the team all season long. The Jets defense never picked it up and was average at best and overall lousy. So how much of last year was Donnie and how much of this year was Donnie? So in 2 years as a coordinator he had 1 good year and 1 bad year. We really don't know how good Donnie Henderson is at the coordinator level or higher. You could argue the same thing about Mangini as he's only been a coordinator for 1 year and did a good job (not outstanding but they too had injuries). Let's face it, they saw the success of Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennell and are hoping he becomes a Bill Belichick. Add-on: I heard that Fassell and Mike Sherman were at the bottom of the list for potential HC's for the Jets and I don't think either one got an interview??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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