AFJF Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Why? Just because Rex is one Mark Sanchez debilitating shoulder injury away from being Herm Edwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Someone has to tell rex that schotty has to go or he's going. I don't think cowher is the saviour though. I think u approach indy and offer them our 1st rd pick in 12 and 13 for manning plus their 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Hahahahahahhh...what a joke of a thread.. There's better ways to up your post count... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaJetsFan Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 14 years in Pittsburgh and 1 Super Bowl. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Why? Just because Rex is one Mark Sanchez debilitating shoulder injury away from being Herm Edwards? I know Eric Mangini is your Platonic ideal of a head coach, but Sanchez is the reason Rex hasn't been more successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I know Eric Mangini is your Platonic ideal of a head coach, but Sanchez is the reason Rex hasn't been more successful. Long run, no. But if Sanchez drops early next season, the Jets are going 6-10 because there are no alternatives on the roster. And Bill Parcells is my platonic ideal of a head coach. Mangini was just a fling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Long run, no. But if Sanchez drops early next season, the Jets are going 6-10 because there are no alternatives on the roster. So your assumption is that our QBs next year will be Sanchez-Brunell-McElroy-O'Connell? With a little luck, Sanchez won't even be the starter early next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 So your assumption is that our QBs next year will be Sanchez-Brunell-McElroy-O'Connell? With a little luck, Sanchez won't even be the starter early next season. I'm assuming they won't bring in a QB that poses a real threat to Sanchez for fear of having Mark crawl up into a ball and die. Sanchez is Tannenbaum's baby. I can't imagine he'd have the guts to admit Sanchez is not the answer just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I'm assuming they won't bring in a QB that poses a real threat to Sanchez for fear of having Mark crawl up into a ball and die. Sanchez is Tannenbaum's baby. I can't imagine he'd have the guts to admit Sanchez is not the answer just yet. I can't imagine he'd have the guts not to lay the groundwork for a soft landing, at the very least. All that crap about the Ron Wolf QB-every-April philosophy didn't sound like bullsh*t to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Much better shot of Sanchez being gone than Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Third year coach, back to back AFC Championship seasons. Worst case 8-8 and no play offs. Best we sneak in on the last day and you want I'm fired. You make me embarrassed to be a Jets fan. Most of you don't go on. I live 3000 miles away, and still got to the Chargers game this year. Slap dick armchair fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I can't imagine he'd have the guts not to lay the groundwork for a soft landing, at the very least. All that crap about the Ron Wolf QB-every-April philosophy didn't sound like bullsh*t to me. We shall see, my friend. Especially with Sanchez's contract coming up, it'll be interesting to see just how committed they are to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 We shall see, my friend. Especially with Sanchez's contract coming up, it'll be interesting to see just how committed they are to him. All the more reason. I think sticking by Sanchez too long places Tannenbaum's job in considerably more jeopardy than dumping him too soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Third year coach, back to back AFC Championship seasons. Worst case 8-8 and no play offs. Best we sneak in on the last day and you want I'm fired. You make me embarrassed to be a Jets fan. Most of you don't go on. I live 3000 miles away, and still got to the Chargers game this year. Slap dick armchair fans! Burnley no need to call out other fans who may have a different opinion. I have gone for 800 years straight, paid the Jets season ticket bill before the mortgage at times and you know what? It doesn't matter -- everyone is entitled to an opinion. I happen to agree with you though, there is no way Rex Ryan is an any jeopardy, he has accomplished too much here in a short time frame. So he is obviously safe but if you are a coach and you spent any time at all in an offensive meeting this week, yeah you might want to give your real estate agent a heads up. You will probably be relocating next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Sorry P.S we are all a little upset, but the Sky won't fall in for me. Ive been a Jets fan since 1982 and if we never Win the Superbowl again I will always be a Jets fan. End of Rant have a Great Christmas or hanukkah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Sorry P.S we are all a little upset, but the Sky won't fall in for me. Ive been a Jets fan since 1982 and if we never Win the Superbowl again I will always be a Jets fan. End of Rant have a Great Christmas or Hanukkah to everyone. I hear you! Just have to realize that it is tough, especially for people who just got home from the game. Running into Giants fans when you stop for gas on the way home, yeah that's not a lot of fun! Merry Christmas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I like Mangini after his weight loss and new found personality on ESPN. Bring him that back! Oh wait, forum vernacular... "Sign that beast!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Umm no, but I would agree with the others who said that Rex either has to let Schotty have all the say or he has to have a guy that calls the offense Rex wants. That disaster of a gameplan today was a coach and OC having zero in common with philosophy and trying to reach a middle ground with a ultra conservative Chad offense. It cant work with a 50% QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 This is funny stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 So your assumption is that our QBs next year will be Sanchez-Brunell-McElroy-O'Connell? With a little luck, Sanchez won't even be the starter early next season. I think Rex will force them to bring someone in. Not sure who though. Not alot available. Matt Moore? Chad Henne? The other Chad nobody wants to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Someone has to tell rex that schotty has to go or he's going. . why do u assume it is his decision? this is the decision of a GM as strong as Tannenbaum is in the FO. Rex never had the power to dictate OC over Schottenheimer, who has been with the jets longer than REX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 btw - you ppl are crazy that say that sanchez is the problem. CRAZY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 why do u assume it is his decision? this is the decision of a GM as strong as Tannenbaum is in the FO. Rex never had the power to dictate OC over Schottenheimer, who has been with the jets longer than REX. Because the hc should pick his OC. You are right but I think that was because Ryan was an assistant not established. Now he's established. Let him pick a coordinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Schotty's gone this offseason.. He'll be the scapegoat to spare sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Schotty's gone this offseason.. He'll be the scapegoat to spare sanchez I'd take that. I'd rather Sanchez and no schottenheimer than the reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 btw - you ppl are crazy that say that sanchez is the problem. CRAZY. Lok.. You're delusional... Sanchez has a chance to be a good qb, but he's far from it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 I'd take that. I'd rather Sanchez and no schottenheimer than the reverse. I'd rather manning and schotty's, but tj Yates blew it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Because the hc should pick his OC. You are right but I think that was because Ryan was an assistant not established. Now he's established. Let him pick a coordinator agree. i actually think that Schottenheimer was dictated to REX as part of te agreement to coach the Jets. It's cronyism. The Jets Brass wanted to cultivate ties with the Duchy of Schottenheimer - both King Marty and Prince Brian - since they gave him his shot thru Mangini - who was canned. Interestingly enough when mangini was canned, Schotty was not let go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Lok.. You're delusional... Sanchez has a chance to be a good qb, but he's far from it now whatever...we just dont agree. he has bad personnel around him. terrible WRs, a robot with Trex arms for a TE, bad OL, bad offensive design, and terrible playcalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 whatever...we just dont agree. he has bad personnel around him. terrible WRs, a robot with Trex arms for a TE, bad OL, bad offensive design, and terrible playcalling. Yep, without these scrubs he'd brees.. Accuracy schmaccuracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Yep, without these scrubs he'd brees.. Accuracy schmaccuracy do you or do u not remember holmes 1st quarter last week? what about keller's first quarter this week? he is getting almost no help from his OL, and little from his WRs/TEs. Im sorry. That is the truth. Oh and how about the fumble at the 1? Was it Sanchez's fault that HOF Center Mangold snapped the ball into his own thigh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Jason, I don't see how this game is a difference of offensive philosophy between Rex and Schitty. Rex, as a defensive coach wanted Sanchez throwing 60 times? Rex simply looks clueless when it comes to O. Rex in postgame said the reason they threw a lot was because they were down a couple of scores. But Sanchez threw 28 times in 1st half only down 3. Jets get ball back with 5 minutes and down only 6 at midfield and Schitty has Sanchez in shotgun for 3 throws. No run, no playaction. That's Schitty having no game sense and Rex being half a HC. That's the problem. Rex has to decide to be the HC for entire team and then get an OC who has game sense. Yes, Sanchez sucks, but that doesn't exonerate Schitty for his own fire worthy culpability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Jason, I don't see how this game is a difference of offensive philosophy between Rex and Schitty. Rex, as a defensive coach wanted Sanchez throwing 60 times? Rex simply looks clueless when it comes to O. Rex in postgame said the reason they threw a lot was because they were down a couple of scores. But Sanchez threw 28 times in 1st half only down 3. Jets get ball back with 5 minutes and down only 6 at midfield and Schitty has Sanchez in shotgun for 3 throws. No run, no playaction. That's Schitty having no game sense and Rex being half a HC. The way I saw it was that Schotty wants to throw the ball and Rex deferred to him on the point provided that they have a very safe approach to the game which is the cluster that we saw on the field today. For as much as I get on Schotty about the general flow of the offense this is not how he has ever called games even dating back to Chad. While they were never a downfield passing team they were not a 5 yard dumpoff team. The last few weeks its been a disaster. To me thats all a way to defer to Rex. And I agree with you on the insane playcalling. I believe it was 30/17 until the Giants went up on the Bradshaw TD and that doesnt even count the final drive of the first half. The situational playcalling is horrendous. People can blame Sanchez all they want about not making the throws but the Jets are not even putting themselves into a position to succeed. 4th and 2 shotgun? That play where the Giants had 12 on the field. I have no clue what that even was supposed to be. When I heard Rex say that they arent built to play the way they did today it made me realize just how much of a disconnect there is between those two. You cant be head coach and saying that when you were in a position to stop it, at he very least at halftime. Its almost as if he was saying that he wanted to run and do his Wildcat but he decided to let the OC call his game and live or die with it. Who knows, maybe after the defensive collapse last week he gave Schotty more rope to hang himself with this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 The way I saw it was that Schotty wants to throw the ball and Rex deferred to him on the point provided that they have a very safe approach to the game which is the cluster that we saw on the field today. For as much as I get on Schotty about the general flow of the offense this is not how he has ever called games even dating back to Chad. While they were never a downfield passing team they were not a 5 yard dumpoff team. The last few weeks its been a disaster. To me thats all a way to defer to Rex. And I agree with you on the insane playcalling. I believe it was 30/17 until the Giants went up on the Bradshaw TD and that doesnt even count the final drive of the first half. The situational playcalling is horrendous. People can blame Sanchez all they want about not making the throws but the Jets are not even putting themselves into a position to succeed. 4th and 2 shotgun? That play where the Giants had 12 on the field. I have no clue what that even was supposed to be. When I heard Rex say that they arent built to play the way they did today it made me realize just how much of a disconnect there is between those two. You cant be head coach and saying that when you were in a position to stop it, at he very least at halftime. Its almost as if he was saying that he wanted to run and do his Wildcat but he decided to let the OC call his game and live or die with it. Who knows, maybe after the defensive collapse last week he gave Schotty more rope to hang himself with this week. Good points. And the bolded is further to what I was referring to. Rex acts like half of a HC. It wasn't just at the end with the pass-run disparity. Sanchez threw it 28 times in the first half and they were only down by 3. Then they open the 2nd half with 3 passing plays. There is a different way he calls games in the pass with the short stuff, but I believe that's an offshoot of the green, yellow, red system and the awful Oline. Sanchez has been sacked 37 times this year, most by any single QB since Neil O'Donnell was sacked 45 times in 1997. But, then again, because of the poor Oline play, calling all these shotgun plays against a good pass rushing team doesn't make much sense because they can ignore the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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