Barton Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Look where the Jets Dline stacks in comparison around the league. Solid, decent, middle of the pack. Devito is coming off an injury and was at his best as a backup. Offers very little as a pass rusher. Solid but limited player. Pouha is getting alittle older, not an overwhelming force to begin with. Good but limited player. Wilkerson is a promising 2nd year guy. Dixon is a good backup. What else is there? Not much. I'm not saying draft Dline in the 1st rd, but in free agency and during the draft, another piece should be added to this group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Michael Brockers is the only guy I would LOVE to have at 16, and even then maye he's overrated. After that I think the only DL I'd fall over myself for at 16 is Poe if he does what he might be able to do at combine. Coples from UNC might be interesting there but he'd need 20 pounds on him once he hit the pros...Fletcher Cox might be able to take a 3-4 DE spot, but I'm not sure on it and wouldn't use a first on that idea...If I'm the Jets I'd just look for guys who get through the cracks...Forston from Miami....Randall from Texas...love Mike Martin from Michigan as this year's undersized NT...etc...Ta'amu or the Utah NT... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Oh and in FA the only DL worth going after is Campbell from the Cardinals, though I've always liked Kendall Langford on the Phins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 While the pass rush absolutely needs to be upgraded, the Jets are not looking to get that from a pure every down DL. They are going to be looking for more of an OLB/DL tweener type to fill that role. If anything, the DL is the strongest unit on the Jets right now, and as long as Rex is HC I think is the one position that, as fans, we should have little reason to worry about. While I could see them taking some fliers on guys to bring in and compete, barring them being unable to re-sign Pouha, with him, DeVito, Wilkerson, Dixon, Pitoitua and Ellis already on the team, I wouldn't expect any serious changes to that unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I think Kenrick Ellis will be better this year. He came from a small school program and didn't have a real training camp. I think he will be a real shot in the arm next year as a rotational guy at end and tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 While the pass rush absolutely needs to be upgraded, the Jets are not looking to get that from a pure every down DL. They are going to be looking for more of an OLB/DL tweener type to fill that role. If anything, the DL is the strongest unit on the Jets right now, and as long as Rex is HC I think is the one position that, as fans, we should have little reason to worry about. While I could see them taking some fliers on guys to bring in and compete, barring them being unable to re-sign Pouha, with him, DeVito, Wilkerson, Dixon, Pitoitua and Ellis already on the team, I wouldn't expect any serious changes to that unit. While I agree with everything you said about Rex and the DL I think I'd make relations with an overweight middle aged woman for Brockers on this DL. He's gotten Seymour comparisons...Same exact body as all those great DTs from the 2000's (Henderson, Stroud, Williams, Seymour, young Haynesworth)...top of the line athleticism obviously. I always wanted a Seymour - Wilfork - Warren type of line and Brokers - Pouha/DeVito/Ellis - Wilkerson would lay waste to NFL teams as well as nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 Oh and in FA the only DL worth going after is Campbell from the Cardinals, though I've always liked Kendall Langford on the Phins... A guy like Langford should be a priority in FA. Young, has shown he can play, scheme fit, wont break the bank etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Unless there is a can't miss guy in the 12-18 pick range, It would be more worthwhile to take someone like Mark Barron, or Donta Hightower. For the Jets it would be better if they take a D-line prospect with one of their compensatory picks and groom him as the season goes. In the second round get a right tackle. Jeff allen of Illinois looks promising. As for late second early third, get Vontaze Burfict, his character will drop him there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I like Pito alot...If we re sign Pouha, no reason to draft early there....late draft picks there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 While the pass rush absolutely needs to be upgraded, the Jets are not looking to get that from a pure every down DL. They are going to be looking for more of an OLB/DL tweener type to fill that role. If anything, the DL is the strongest unit on the Jets right now, and as long as Rex is HC I think is the one position that, as fans, we should have little reason to worry about. While I could see them taking some fliers on guys to bring in and compete, barring them being unable to re-sign Pouha, with him, DeVito, Wilkerson, Dixon, Pitoitua and Ellis already on the team, I wouldn't expect any serious changes to that unit. This. DL was definitely our best unit last year. I see them resigning Pouha for 3 years or something like that and doing very little addition. OLB is what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 a pass rushing DE is what this D really needs yes devito can stuff a run, but does he strike fear into QB's ? keep them awake at night ? a pass rushing OLB makes more sense cap wise, but a DE makes more sense football wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I like Pito alot...If we re sign Pouha, no reason to draft early there....late draft picks there Beyond the size I don't get the big deal at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Beyond the size I don't get the big deal at this point. Me neither He doesnt completely suck and made a couple of plays last season, but I don't feel like he's taken the spot. He's a career backup and provides nice depth. I would be very surprised to see anything more from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Me neither He doesnt completely suck and made a couple of plays last season, but I don't feel like he's taken the spot. He's a career backup and provides nice depth. I would be very surprised to see anything more from him. Agreed completely...I get that Rex complimenting the guy on Hard Knocks a couple of years ago essentially wrote him a lifetime contract with the fans, but he wasn't anything special then either. He's slightly more than a stiff here, and Dixon has flown right past him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Seriously? Last year's draft was entirely dedicated to it. Developmentally it's the one unit on the team where we're stacked for the future. The DL rotation is the one thing this team has going for it. Say what you want about Rex but the dude can pick 'em. Dixon and Ropati check out and Ellis is a Ngata clone in the making by 2013 or so. Pouha and DeVito clearly haven't lost a step at all. Wilkerson is certainly legit. On a 3-man front I'm not sure what more you guys are looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Beyond the size I don't get the big deal at this point. I'm not sure what more you want from your 5th or 6th guy up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Agreed completely...I get that Rex complimenting the guy on Hard Knocks a couple of years ago essentially wrote him a lifetime contract with the fans, but he wasn't anything special then either. He's slightly more than a stiff here, and Dixon has flown right past him. He's certainly nothing brilliant, but he's been a pretty solid rotational guy. Not sure how much more you really expect out of a #4/5 DL who came in as an UDFA and was seeing his first real action this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I'm not sure what more you want from your 5th or 6th guy up. Yeah... that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Seriously? Last year's draft was entirely dedicated to it. Developmentally it's the one unit on the team where we're stacked for the future. The DL rotation is the one thing this team has going for it. Say what you want about Rex but the dude can pick 'em. Dixon and Ropati check out and Ellis is a Ngata clone in the making by 2013 or so. Pouha and DeVito clearly haven't lost a step at all. Wilkerson is certainly legit. On a 3-man front I'm not sure what more you guys are looking for. Mostly just the Ropati love...I have a problem with the teams 6th man in the rotation. So you buy Ellis too? Can't say I expected that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 He's certainly nothing brilliant, but he's been a pretty solid rotational guy. Not sure how much more you really expect out of a #4/5 DL who came in as an UDFA and was seeing his first real action this season. I think I do it because of a bad hype:production ratio that just turns me off. He's not hurting the team at all, but young guys are walking right past him on the charts. He's probably out of the league with in 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I think I do it because of a bad hype:production ratio that just turns me off. He's not hurting the team at all, but young guys are walking right past him on the charts. Fair enough, but if he's the Jets biggest problem on the DL, they're in pretty damn good shape. If anything, he'll probably be the guy most fighting for his job with whatever low level FA / UDFA types they bring in, which is fine, but I wouldn't be all that surprised if he manages to keep it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Mostly just the Ropati love...I have a problem with the teams 6th man in the rotation. So you buy Ellis too? Can't say I expected that. Planet theory monster. Can't say it surprised me that people aren't willing to give Rex more than a few months to bring him along. There's a reason we're not going after Poe this April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Planet theory monster. Can't say it surprised me that people aren't willing to give Rex more than a few months to bring him along. There's a reason we're not going after Poe this April. The thing I find funny is when you consider how quickly so many people are ready to give up on Ellis, considering how the Jets' current starting NT's career began. Compared to Pouha's rookie year, Ellis looked like an All-Pro out there. The guy couldn't beat out James freakin' Reed, who he had about 100 lbs on, for playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl That's with Pouha's slow start, DeVito's injuries, Wilkerson's rookie pains, and losing Thomas for the year, which was a big loss to those guys considering how much he plays up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Planet theory monster. Can't say it surprised me that people aren't willing to give Rex more than a few months to bring him along. There's a reason we're not going after Poe this April. Loved Ellis in college. The thing that gets you is that he's a 6'5" 350 pound guy who played like he knows what's at stake for him...did it at the Shrine game too, where everyone got to see. IMO one of the best football players in last years draft...I was stunned to see the Jets pick/land him. It does suck that draft picks get like 20 minutes before fans have their career story written out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 They need to re-sign Pouha. When this D was insane was in 2009 when Jenkins was in. They've been good to great without him, but if Ellis can develop towards that they will be tremendous. Pouha can play some @ DE or DT - whatever they call the other DE. These guys take time to develop and nobody looked terrible, though Ellis looked a rookie IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Don't expect much attempt to get a part time pass rusher. Magnum is as good as it gets at that and they have Ricky Sapp too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Loved Ellis in college. The thing that gets you is that he's a 6'5" 350 pound guy who played like he knows what's at stake for him...did it at the Shrine game too, where everyone got to see. IMO one of the best football players in last years draft...I was stunned to see the Jets pick/land him. It does suck that draft picks get like 20 minutes before fans have their career story written out. Most neglect the notion that if a dude like that was capable of starting right away, he goes in the top 10 about 99% of the time. sh*t we almost went after Sedrick once upon a time just because of the possibility. Rounds 3 and on these are the types of picks you make. 10 times out of 10 you take the Ellises and Slausons of the world over the all-world fullback. If Ellis achieves even 75% of what he's capable of we're fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 Seriously? Last year's draft was entirely dedicated to it. Developmentally it's the one unit on the team where we're stacked for the future. The DL rotation is the one thing this team has going for it. Say what you want about Rex but the dude can pick 'em. Dixon and Ropati check out and Ellis is a Ngata clone in the making by 2013 or so. Pouha and DeVito clearly haven't lost a step at all. Wilkerson is certainly legit. On a 3-man front I'm not sure what more you guys are looking for. Cmon now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 Planet theory monster. Can't say it surprised me that people aren't willing to give Rex more than a few months to bring him along. There's a reason we're not going after Poe this April. Maybe the Jets should consider Poe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayKwaz Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Jean-Baptiste from baylor at the end of the draft is my choice. I would even say let Pouha walk and roll with Ellis and MTV at nose. Save some cap room to spend elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Seriously? Last year's draft was entirely dedicated to it. Developmentally it's the one unit on the team where we're stacked for the future. The DL rotation is the one thing this team has going for it. Say what you want about Rex but the dude can pick 'em. Dixon and Ropati check out and Ellis is a Ngata clone in the making by 2013 or so. Pouha and DeVito clearly haven't lost a step at all. Wilkerson is certainly legit. On a 3-man front I'm not sure what more you guys are looking for. and they wiffed badly on ellis we want a pass rush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Agreed completely...I get that Rex complimenting the guy on Hard Knocks a couple of years ago essentially wrote him a lifetime contract with the fans, but he wasn't anything special then either. He's slightly more than a stiff here, and Dixon has flown right past him. Yep. And while I wanted him to be a beast as much as anyone else, so far he just hasn't shown all that much. No where near being cut yet, but a starter he's not. Jets fans IMO are used to loving the sub par. I'm guilty of holding Kyle Cifton, Al toon, Kenny O, Jerald Sowell etc close to my heart and their value may never diminish with me, but the truth be told, very few people outside of Jetville or Miami have ever heard of them. Our love for the subpar is why we haven't been to the bowl in my entire 39 year lifetime. Ropati is nice and he's tall and he's probably very charitable and all good nice things, but Andre ware he is not. As a matter of fact Demarcus Ware either lol (I know he's a LB by the way) I'm merely commenting on impact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Maybe the Jets should consider Poe. It's an idea. He's going to end up going in the 11-20 range to someone. While I would not count out the idea, it does seem very unlikely that they would take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 and they wiffed badly on ellis we want a pass rush You can tell he a bust from his limited play this year? I can't. Gotta give him the three year rule. He's not playing an easy position, there is a lot of mental work that goes into that position. You can't be good at it until you learn that stuff. BTW didn't it take Pouha like 4-5 years until he became what he is now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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