Section 333 Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 I am surprised. I did not expect to see this much love for Greene and our RB situation. I knew when I posted about Tebow I would meet resistance. But as a guy who has seen every one of Greene's games with the Jets, i am astonished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 My original post said I was concerned. I said he doesnt hit holes, I said he has no burst. You said He's an average back. He's not exciting. He's not a game breaker. With what you just said it seems like you actually agree with me. Now I ask you what team that will be in contention for a playoff spot has a worse RB situation? Giants Steelers Lions Redskins Patriots Bengals Packers Broncos I only mentioned the teams I thought had a reasonable chance at the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Greene doesn't take an inch more than his OL gives him. I'd like to see him getting 50% or less of the team's total rushing attempts. Like JiF, I want to see more of Powell in particular. It's possible that it's in their mindset to run Greene into the ground before letting him go at the end of the year, though. The funny thing is that, as you know, this was my theory all offseason, but after this preseason I really started to think I was wrong about that, but it certainly seemed that way again come Sunday. Although it's also possible they plan on putting the load on him to start the year with the hopes of having the benefit of a fresh and healthy RB ready to roll come the winter months (see Greene's 2009 season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section 333 Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 Giants Bradshaw is better than Greene Steelers When Mendenhall returns he is better Lions U got me here. Smith cant stay healthy Redskins U got me here as well Patriots We dont know, Running game not a big part of the team. Bengals The law firm is every bit as good as Greene. Packers Rodgers is the best Rusher on this team Broncos Come on, U think Greene is better than Mcgahee? I only mentioned the teams I thought had a reasonable chance at the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 having a top notch running back is not necessary to winning a ring or even making the playoffs. True. It would be nice if Greene didn't go down on first contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 My original post said I was concerned. I said he doesnt hit holes, I said he has no burst. You said He's an average back. He's not exciting. He's not a game breaker. With what you just said it seems like you actually agree with me. Now I ask you what team that will be in contention for a playoff spot has a worse RB situation? I agree with your assessment of his play. I disagree with your opinion that the Jets have the worst RB situation in the league and that Greene isnt an adequate starter. The Giants had the worst running game in the league last season and won the SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 The funny thing is that, as you know, this was my theory all offseason, but after this preseason I really started to think I was wrong about that, but it certainly seemed that way again come Sunday. Although it's also possible they plan on putting the load on him to start the year with the hopes of having the benefit of a fresh and healthy RB ready to roll come the winter months (see Greene's 2009 season). I hope not. Greene's a guy who does his best running downhill. He's the guy who I'd save for the second halves of games or seasons. If the Jets are going to throw the ball as much as they showed on Sunday, I'd prefer that Powell be back there. He's much more of a threat in the passing game. I guess we'll see how the team's offensive identity develops over the course of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CM28 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Dude was a favourite the first years in the league. Last year and forward have made me change my mind somewhat. There is still time for him to win me over again but since we have a extremely strong D in place. It would be safe to asume that we will focus on the O going into next years draft. Most people seem to think that a HB in the first round is a bad pick, but we got Greene in the third and that did only get us this far. How big of a problem is HB for us? How should we prioritize next draft? O-line HB .. .. .. .. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Sanchez continues to throw like that and you will fall in love with Greene all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section 333 Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 I agree with your assessment of his play. I disagree with your opinion that the Jets have the worst RB situation in the league and that Greene isnt an adequate starter. The Giants had the worst running game in the league last season and won the SB. Ok thats fair, maybe i got a bit carried away with worst situation in the league. And point taken on Giants. Im just not a big fan of Greene. That said I hope he runs for 200 yards a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section 333 Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 Sanchez continues to throw like that and you will fall in love with Greene all over again. Very True!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 I hope not. Greene's a guy who does his best running downhill. He's the guy who I'd save for the second halves of games or seasons. If the Jets are going to throw the ball as much as they showed on Sunday, I'd prefer that Powell be back there. He's much more of a threat in the passing game. I guess we'll see how the team's offensive identity develops over the course of the year. I hear you, but I seriously doubt they're going to be putting the load onto anyone else, so saving Greene is never going to happen. That said, it's possible we could see more of a time share in coming weeks, as a lot of Greene's carries came late in the game when the Jets were just trying to kill the clock, so it could be a matter of them simply feeling he was the best fit for that role considering they knew the Bills would be loading up against the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Sanchez continues to throw like that and you will fall in love with Greene all over again. Truth. If the Jets passing game can keep this up, teams are going to be backing off the line and giving all of the Jets RBs a lot more room to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Ok thats fair, maybe i got a bit carried away with worst situation in the league. And point taken on Giants. Im just not a big fan of Greene. That said I hope he runs for 200 yards a game. Nor am I, but I tend to defend him because I think he gets wrongly accused of being useless or one of the worst backs in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section 333 Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 Nor am I, but I tend to defend him because I think he gets wrongly accused of being useless or one of the worst backs in the league. Exactly the way I feel about Sanchez!! So thats kind of where my Tebow rant came from yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 He is a below average back at best!!!!!! He is an average back at best...with all due respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Dude was a favourite the first years in the league. Last year and forward have made me change my mind somewhat. There is still time for him to win me over again but since we have a extremely strong D in place. It would be safe to asume that we will focus on the O going into next years draft. Most people seem to think that a HB in the first round is a bad pick, but we got Greene in the third and that did only get us this far. How big of a problem is HB for us? How should we prioritize next draft? O-line HB .. .. .. .. .. I'm just curious, what would make you think OL is going to be a top priority for the Jets next draft? If Howard keeps this up, the only possible area the Jets could be looking for starters would be guard, which is hardly a position teams generally address high up in the draft (particularly when you've got a guy like Mangold at center) and plus, it is a position the Jets could very easily bring back the same starters at as well. If the Jets go offense next year, I'd say HB and TE are likely to be bigger priorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section 333 Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 While we are all analizing Greene, Beningo and Roberts are ripping him apart for not being able to hit the hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 None of those you listed are appreciably better than Greene...just different...I'd prefer Greene...he's an average, serviceable NFL back. I wish Greene had more explosiveness but there are many good teams without a better RB. You can like some of the others more...but they each have drawbacks...injuries/ball security. Since Curtis left the Jets have used the RBBC approach with mixed results...Greene has been a part of that...really wish they would find another Leon or someone like McCluster or Cobb to complement Greene's style but that's not his fault. Powell and/or Tebow seem like similar runners to me...McKnight can't block/hold on to the football...so for this year at least Greene should remain the bell cow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Hey you are not getting Greene as a back that is explosive we all know that- the jets need him to be a grinder dependable and that will work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section 333 Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 None of those you listed are appreciably better than Greene...just different...I'd prefer Greene...he's an average, serviceable NFL back. I wish Greene had more explosiveness but there are many good teams without a better RB. You can like some of the others more...but they each have drawbacks...injuries/ball security. Since Curtis left the Jets have used the RBBC approach with mixed results...Greene has been a part of that...really wish they would find another Leon or someone like McCluster or Cobb to complement Greene's style but that's not his fault. Powell and/or Tebow seem like similar runners to me...McKnight can't block/hold on to the football...so for this year at least Greene should remain the bell cow. Agreed, thats somewhat my point, I would like Greene more if he had a complimentary back. Wouldn't mind a speed guy as a change of pace. Would make Greene more effective in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section 333 Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 While we are all analizing Greene, Beningo and Roberts are ripping him apart for not being able to hit the hole. And now Beningo just said there isnt too many teams if any teams that have worse backs. All of you should call in ripping him like you did me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CM28 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 I'm just curious, what would make you think OL is going to be a top priority for the Jets next draft? If Howard keeps this up, the only possible area the Jets could be looking for starters would be guard, which is hardly a position teams generally address high up in the draft (particularly when you've got a guy like Mangold at center) and plus, it is a position the Jets could very easily bring back the same starters at as well. If the Jets go offense next year, I'd say HB and TE are likely to be bigger priorities. I was more throwing the question out there. Howard have really stepped up good in the two games i´ve seen him and hopefully that will be standard for him. As you say, we have probably bigger concerns at guard and/or O-line depth. How high you want to address this was what i ment. Also what other areas we might would like to upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 I was more throwing the question out there. Howard have really stepped up good in the two games i´ve seen him and hopefully that will be standard for him. As you say, we have probably bigger concerns at guard and/or O-line depth. How high you want to address this was what i ment. Also what other areas we might would like to upgrade. Oh ok, I hear what you're saying. If the Jets OL continues to play like this, I'm guessing they'll try to keep the starting unit together, in which case it probably would be more of a secondary priority with some possible late picks. It's tough to figure out at this point though, considering there's still a lot of guys who we'll have to see how they do over the course of the year (like Howard). Beyond that, how they address the offseason will also have an impact, because you've got starters at HB, TE and LG who are all set to be FAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 I hope not. Greene's a guy who does his best running downhill. He's the guy who I'd save for the second halves of games or seasons. If the Jets are going to throw the ball as much as they showed on Sunday, I'd prefer that Powell be back there. He's much more of a threat in the passing game. I guess we'll see how the team's offensive identity develops over the course of the year. Greene really excelled in this role when he played behind Dancing Bear. We also had Leon Washington, so there was the ability to really change things up. Now, we have considerably less talent and much more predictability -- no explosiveness whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section 333 Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 Greene really excelled in this role when he played behind Dancing Bear. We also had Leon Washington, so there was the ability to really change things up. Now, we have considerably less talent and much more predictability -- no explosiveness whatsoever. Well said, but it seems to be falling on deaf ears. The love for Greene on this board is insane. The fact that he can succeed in the right situation doesnt make him a good back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CM28 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Oh ok, I hear what you're saying. If the Jets OL continues to play like this, I'm guessing they'll try to keep the starting unit together, in which case it probably would be more of a secondary priority with some possible late picks. It's tough to figure out at this point though, considering there's still a lot of guys who we'll have to see how they do over the course of the year (like Howard). Beyond that, how they address the offseason will also have an impact, because you've got starters at HB, TE and LG who are all set to be FAs. You are right that it is still to soon too know for sure. But certainly HB should be a top 3 priority if you ask me. I want me some of that speed and cutting ability i a green and white jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 While we are all analizing Greene, Beningo and Roberts are ripping him apart for not being able to hit the hole. Analizing? Hitting the hole? You perk my interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 can we get a better full back please?!?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 His body is soft, looks out of shape. Doesnt have the same burst he used to. Regardless, a backup runner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraVerde Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Greene is a great back but he is not durable. By the end of the season something always gets him. I'd like to limit his carries during the early part of the season and get Powell and McKnight some touches. McKnight has great burst up the gut and Powell might be the tough runner we' be been looking for. Greene needs to be saved for later in year where he can play his smash mouth style against defenses that are beat up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Well said, but it seems to be falling on deaf ears. The love for Greene on this board is insane. The fact that he can succeed in the right situation doesnt make him a good back. No. The fact that he succeeded last year and the year before and the year before makes him a good back. The guy isn't great, but he is putting up decent numbers on a team with a limited pass offense. He is doing what is asked of him and that makes him an asset. He is not Adrian Peterson, but he is very solid. The perfect player to ride and let go in FA if he is getting real $$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 And now Beningo just said there isnt too many teams if any teams that have worse backs. All of you should call in ripping him like you did me. Stop listening to sports radio pornography...calls just drive traffic and dollars to idiots trying manufacture controversy...do you work for the guy? I listed 8 possible playoff teams and could probably add more that are arguably worse than Shonn Greene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bachelors3 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 At this rate, Greene will rush for over 1500 yards this season. Not good enough? Well, he will have to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 At this rate, Greene will rush for over 1500 yards this season. Not good enough? Well, he will have to do. On just 432 carries! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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