Kleckineau Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 "Vintage" fans will recall how the Jets blew it and let John Riggins, in the prime of his career, go to the Redskins and how he went on to being one of the all time greats as an integral component for the Super Bowl champion Redskins. We also remember how after losing him, the Jets spent many years as an NFL doormat. Like Riggins, Revis, is still in the prime of his career and one of the top players to ever put on the green and white. If he goes to the 49er's I see them winning it all maybe more than once while the Jets resume their doormat status. Seems like destiny, fait accompli for this franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 "Vintage" fans will recall how the Jets blew it and let John Riggins, in the prime of his career, go to the Redskins and how he went on to being one of the all time greats as an integral component for the Super Bowl champion Redskins. We also remember how after losing him, the Jets spent many years as an NFL doormat. Like Riggins, Revis, is still in the prime of his career and one of the top players to ever put on the green and white. If he goes to the 49er's I see them winning it all maybe more than once while the Jets resume their doormat status. Seems like destiny, fait accompli for this franchise. I don't remember Riggins asking for such a large portion of the salary cap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 agree. no good can come of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 "Vintage" fans will recall how the Jets blew it and let John Riggins, in the prime of his career, go to the Redskins and how he went on to being one of the all time greats as an integral component for the Super Bowl champion Redskins. We also remember how after losing him, the Jets spent many years as an NFL doormat. The same John Riggins that Gibbs wanted to trade after he sat out the entire 1980 season due to a contract dispute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 The same John Riggins that Gibbs wanted to trade after he sat out the entire 1980 season due to a contract dispute? No, the other Riggins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I don't like this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 What if Revis goes to Seattle and they are never able to unseat the 49'ers who go on to win 3 of the next 4 SB's?????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 What if Revis goes to Seattle and they are never able to unseat the 49'ers who go on to win 3 of the next 4 SB's?????????? Seattle already have Sherman and Browner they don't need Revis. bottom line teams don't get by better by trading their best, 1st ballot HOF players in their prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Seattle already have Sherman and Browner they don't need Revis. bottom line teams don't get by better by trading their best, 1st ballot HOF players in their prime. Herschel Walker disagrees with you...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Herschel Walker disagrees with you...... Herschel Walker is not in the Pro Football hall of fame. only a 2x All Pro/2x Pro Bowl. Revis has already accomplished more. but that trade is representative of the type of Haul the Jets should get. This let's move him for a 2nd and a 3rd crap can take a walk. for the record the Cowboys gave Herschel, 2 3rd rounders, a 5th and a 10th they received 3 1sts, 3 2nds, a 3rd a 6th and several jag players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 It's a real kick in the sack, no doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 I don't remember Riggins asking for such a large portion of the salary cap... Cap was not an issue then as it did not exist. They were too cheap to pay both him and Namath so it became a one or the other issue. Their cheapness translated into many losing seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Cap was not an issue then as it did not exist. They were too cheap to pay both him and Namath so it became a one or the other issue. Their cheapness translated into many losing seasons. This is not about "cheapness", it's about trying to build a football team around a billion dollar cornerback in the salary cap age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 This is not about "cheapness", it's about trying to build a football team around a billion dollar cornerback in the salary cap age. It is about cheapness when you consider the fact that they may have one of the greatest of all times at his position but presently seem willing to lose him for draft picks. In that respect, it is analogous to the Riggins situation and history shows how that worked out. They can pay him and build a team through the draft like good teams do. Maybe its time they learned how to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Their cheapness translated into many losing seasons. The Jets were 27-43 with John Riggins on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 The Jets were 27-43 with John Riggins on the team. And those of us watching them at that time knew they would be a winning team if only they were willing to spend / build around Riggins, Namath at that time. They were cashing in on the Super bowl win, willing to let Riggins walk and Namath get beat up in the name of profit. That's their business model. Cheapness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 "Vintage" fans will recall how the Jets blew it and let John Riggins, in the prime of his career, go to the Redskins and how he went on to being one of the all time greats as an integral component for the Super Bowl champion Redskins. We also remember how after losing him, the Jets spent many years as an NFL doormat. Like Riggins, Revis, is still in the prime of his career and one of the top players to ever put on the green and white. If he goes to the 49er's I see them winning it all maybe more than once while the Jets resume their doormat status. Seems like destiny, fait accompli for this franchise. Oh it will be much worst then that. it will be almost as bad as when they traded Kerry Rhodes. The best S who ever lived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 And those of us watching them at that time knew they would be a winning team if only they were willing to spend / build around Riggins, Namath at that time. They were cashing in on the Super bowl win, willing to let Riggins walk and Namath get beat up in the name of profit. That's their business model. Cheapness. building around revis means getting cheap players since his cap hit is so big Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Oh it will be much worst then that. it will be almost as bad as when they traded Kerry Rhodes. The best S who ever lived Lolz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 building around revis means getting cheap players since his cap hit is so big Using that logic would require making sure never to draft a star / impact player ever again. Hey, Balt SF NEP NYG GBP they just don't get it do they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Using that logic would require making sure never to draft a star / impact player ever again. Hey, Balt SF NEP NYG GBP they just don't get it do they. well no those teams do get it. Heck brady just took a lower salary then he deserves because he understands he wants to be surrounded by good players. If revis those teams theyd have to give up some of there other players. If its a qb o line or pass rusher i say pay the guys but for someone that doesnt have the ball in there hand or effects it much i say hes not worth the money. some guy had a post that broke down the money (i dont remember the names) where we could get like matt flynn a couple of above average receivers and a pass rusher for the price of revis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 "Vintage" fans will recall how the Jets blew it and let John Riggins, in the prime of his career, go to the Redskins and how he went on to being one of the all time greats as an integral component for the Super Bowl champion Redskins. We also remember how after losing him, the Jets spent many years as an NFL doormat. Like Riggins, Revis, is still in the prime of his career and one of the top players to ever put on the green and white. If he goes to the 49er's I see them winning it all maybe more than once while the Jets resume their doormat status. Seems like destiny, fait accompli for this franchise. After losing Riggins the Jets spent many years as a doormat? In Riggins' Jets career, the team was 27-43 and their best season was 7-7 which they managed twice. The Jets were doormats with Riggins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 well no those teams do get it. Heck brady just took a lower salary then he deserves because he understands he wants to be surrounded by good players. If revis those teams theyd have to give up some of there other players. If its a qb o line or pass rusher i say pay the guys but for someone that doesnt have the ball in there hand or effects it much i say hes not worth the money. some guy had a post that broke down the money (i dont remember the names) where we could get like matt flynn a couple of above average receivers and a pass rusher for the price of revis. Brady didn't take a lower salary than he deserves. As a result of his deal he will make twice as much guaranteed money the next two years than he was scheduled to make. After that, if he does continue playing, the Pats will likely rip up his contact and restructure to pay him even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 After losing Riggins the Jets spent many years as a doormat? In Riggins' Jets career, the team was 27-43 and their best season was 7-7 which they managed twice. The Jets were doormats with Riggins. You are the 2nd poster to use that argument. Are you saying they were better off without him? Ill let you do irrelevant search for win loss after he went to Washington. Point is he was a player to build around and they chose not to for money reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Using that logic would require making sure never to draft a star / impact player ever again. Hey, Balt SF NEP NYG GBP they just don't get it do they. Flacco, Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Revis. One of these things does not fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Using that logic would require making sure never to draft a star / impact player ever again. Hey, Balt SF NEP NYG GBP they just don't get it do they. Flacco, Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Revis. One of these things does not fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 You are the 2nd poster to use that argument. Are you saying they were better off without him? Ill let you do irrelevant search for win loss after he went to Washington. Point is he was a player to build around and they chose not to for money reasons. A) You're still not taking the salary cap into consideration They probably had the absurd notion that they could finish 3-11 without John Riggins. C) Four years is a pretty good sample size of how your franchise is going to fare with what ya got. D) Riggo's new fancy salary would give the Jets room to get who? Players better than the ones he was surrounded by for four years? E) I love how B ) turns into an emoticon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unhappyjetsfan Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Cap was not an issue then as it did not exist. They were too cheap to pay both him and Namath so it became a one or the other issue. Their cheapness translated into many losing seasons. That's his point. The formula for building a consistent championship-caliber team in the NFL is completely different than it was back when Riggins was on the team (for a variety of reasons, but mostly because the league has a salary cap and is dominated by QBs). There's no such thing as "cheapness" in the 2013 NFL - every team is spending as close to the cap limit as they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 That's his point. The formula for building a consistent championship-caliber team in the NFL is completely different than it was back when Riggins was on the team (for a variety of reasons, but mostly because the league has a salary cap and is dominated by QBs). There's no such thing as "cheapness" in the 2013 NFL - every team is spending as close to the cap limit as they can. The point is...........................pay him his lions share. When you see guys like John Mackey etc you cant blame him for wanting to be paid. Or trade him and give it to 4-5 guys who don't deserve it. Cheap may not be the exact word to describe it and yes the formula to build may be different but the Jets still haven't even figured out the old way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 The Jets need to rework their entire financial structure. Their big money deals are either tied up with payers who don't deserve it (Sanchez, Holmes, Harris), or players whose positions don't warrant such big deals (Mangold, Harris). Paying Revis puts him in the latter category, and they already have a very well paid CB on the other side in Cromartie. Revis isn't looking to be paid like the best CB in football, he's looking to be paid like the best defensive player in football. You can't break the bank for a player who's neutralized by a QB able to spread the ball around or a solid running game. You break the bank for the QB, or the player who can disrupt the QB consistently. Love the guy, but the Jets have too many roster issues to give Revis what he wants - not that he'll ever be happy with his contract, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 If I say LONG TERM PLAN enough does that make it better? Yo we're going to be sooooooooo much better in the long term. It's only a CB, not like that plays a factor in who wins or loses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 If I say LONG TERM PLAN enough does that make it better? Yo we're going to be sooooooooo much better in the long term. It's only a CB, not like that plays a factor in who wins or loses. Jason had an excellent article about the (lack of) impact of the CB position, but it's not on his front page anymore. Bottom line, it's not a position to build your team around, long or short term. And with Revis, as much as I support his right to hold out for more money every week if he wants to, he's going to hold out every time he thinks someone's making more money that him that shouldn't be forever. The Jets already have a pile of dead money associated with him just because of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Has Revis even made salary demands post-injury? I might have read that article from Jason. I'll look for it again. Still don't buy this stuff about CB not being an impact position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 agree. no good can come of this. if this day and age of the nfl you can not win with a sh*t qb and a cb who is taking up such a large portion of your salary cap. revis is great no doubt, but there are other teams who don't have him and yet still have a better defense than we do. a 16 mil/year cb is a luxury this team can't afford....not when there are so many other areas we need to upgrade and our salary cap situation sucks. time to get what we can for him before we lose him for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I'd rather keep Revis so we at least get one more player in the HOF as a Jet. If we must deal him, it has to be for a King's ransom. One of Tanny's (and even Bradway's) biggest failings was getting the sh*t end of the stick in trade deals. We often were working from a position of weakness or downright desperation, and either overpaid, or got less value for players we gave up. I think of what we spent on Braylon and two years after releasing him, he's on the street. What we paid for Favre and he lasted a season and forced his way out. What we paid for Lito Shephard, Tim Tebow and others who were short-term fixes at premium cost. Idzik must be better at negotiating with other teams than our past two GM's otherwise losing Revis will be yet another setback for team already headed in the wrong direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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