Shonn Greene = Eddie George?

[Integrity28]

 

Coach Mike Munchak said Shonn Greene reminds him of Eddie George.

Munchak has been a coach in the Oilers/Titans organization since 1994, so he's very familiar with George. "I know as a (former) line coach myself that we haven't had a guy like that in a while," Munchak said of Greene. "A guy that can fall forward, a guy that's physical, a guy that can understand his role." Munchak went on to say he may give Greene a series to himself from time to time, but the focus will be on short-yardage, goal-line and clock-killing. In 2008, Chris Johnson got 294 total touches and LenDale White got 205. Perhaps Munchak is aiming for a similar split in 2013

 

 

 

 

Eddie George was beast. An upright running clydesdale who punished defenders and had a long career, despite his style of play, because he was a physical specimen. Eddie George, in his prime, would never have signed with another team as a free agent to back up their starter. He would have been the centerpiece of an offense.

 

Shonn Greene is more like LenDale White.

 

This might be the worst comparison I've ever heard a coach make... at least we know Rex isn't the only used car salesman in the league.

[Matt39]

We must be thinking of two different Eddie George's.

[JiFtheOracle]

Told you this guy was highly underrated by Jets fans.

[The Crusher]

Told you this guy was highly underrated by Jets fans.

 

 

Makes more sense.

[Integrity28]

We must be thinking of two different Eddie George's.

 

You and I?

 

Or you and Munchak?

[Matt39]

You and I?

 

Or you and Munchak?

 

Eddie George has great NFL Films cutusp and Harry Kalas making the call of him being the bellcow 35 carry a game back....but he wasn't that good.  SInce the 2000 Ravens playoff game where Ray Lewis stripped him...he fell off a cliff.

 

His best season was his rookie year.

 

As far as Shonn Greene. He stinks. George could at least catch.

[Integrity28]

Eddie George has great NFL Films cutusp and Harry Kalas making the call of him being the bellcow 35 carry a game back....but he wasn't that good.  SInce the 2000 Ravens playoff game where Ray Lewis stripped him...he fell off a cliff.

 

His best season was his rookie year.

 

As far as Shonn Greene. He stinks. George could at least catch.

 

 

Eddie George was a breed apart from most RBs. He was that good. 

 

He fell off the cliff because he ended up with turf toe and never recovered from it. It haunted him his last couple season, after the infamous Ray Lewis hit you are referencing. However, Eddie George punished defenders (even Ray Lewis) like few RB before and since. The dude was a truck.

 

He's part of an NFL that no longer exists though.

[SayNoToDMC]

I would take Eddie George off his couch today at league minimum as another body for TC before I would give Shonn Greene another waisted rep.

[flgreen]

Greene doesn’t suck, he’s just not the franchise RB.  He can be a very good compliment.

 

Greene was great for exactly what he started out as.  A finisher.  Come in the second half , with a lead, and pound tired defenders into oblivion. 

 

When he has to start, and take 20-30 carries a game, he gets  pounded into oblivion.  

[Integrity28]

Greene doesn’t suck, he’s just not the franchise RB.  He can be a very good compliment.

 

Greene was great for exactly what he started out as.  A finisher.  Come in the second half , with a lead, and pound tired defenders into oblivion. 

 

When he has to start, and take 20-30 carries a game, he gets  pounded into oblivion.  

 

 

He sucks. 

 

He and Eddie George should not be mentioned in the same sentence. 

 

Munchak is crazy.

[j4jets]

Unbelievable hatred towards Greene.

 

In his rookie year, he averaged 5.0 ypc in regular season and ran for 300+ yards in 3 playoff games on 54 carries, at 5.6 YPC, 2 TDs. He also put the finishing touches on the Chargers season.

In his Sophomore year, he averaged 4.1 ypc in regular season. He ran for almost 200 yards in 3 playoff games, averaging 4.4 ypc while delivering the "goodnight" blow to the Pats season.

As a full time starter in 2011, Shonn played through rib injury for the first half of the season and was never 100%. He averaged 3.6 ypc over his first 8 games. He averaged 4.6 over his last 8 games, and a net of 4.2 ypc for the year.

In 2012, when Jets passing game vanished, Greene averaged just 3.0 ypc over the first 5 games. He averaged 4.2ypc over the last 11 games for 846 yards and 7 TDs. All this, while Sanchez went color blind and defenses loaded the box.

 

We can be so ungrateful at times. Greene is a great team player. Never heard him complain, never became cocky after becoming the starter, and never became a diva/locker room cancer. Played through so much pain for the team (rib injury for a RB of his style is like pulling a hamstring and still running at full speed. Try it).

[j4jets]

How is Eddie George so special? In his entire career, he averaged over 4.0 ypc TWICE, that too 4.1 both times. Stats might not tell the entire story, but if my starting RB is averaing 3.9 ypc or less in 7 out of 9 season, Im replacing him. Besides being a workhorse, he wasn't anything special on a great Titans team.

[Integrity28]

How is Eddie George so special? In his entire career, he averaged over 4.0 ypc TWICE, that too 4.1 both times. Stats might not tell the entire story, but if my starting RB is averaing 3.9 ypc or less in 7 out of 9 season, Im replacing him. Besides being a workhorse, he wasn't anything special on a great Titans team.

 

Stats don't tell the story. His job was to carry the ball 30 times in the most ideal scenarios, the expectation that many of those carries would go for 2-4 yards. Everyone in the stadium knew that it was going to be a run by Eddie George, and he still managed to do what he did in his career. 

 

The ONLY defender that ever challenged him was Ray Lewis, otherwise he punished guys. He had to be gang tackled regularly. He was a grinder, in a time when grinding was part of the game.

 

You cannot compare his YPC average to Greene's, it makes no sense. This is a passing league now, much easier for RBs to average 4.0+ ypc. 

 

Greene is nowhere near the talent or beast that EG was.

 

All you need to do is actually see him play. LOL

[FloridaJetsFan]

"Coach Mike Munchak said Shonn Greene reminds him of Eddie George."

 

In the words of Jack Nicholson in "As Good As It Gets," - "Sell crazy someplace else. We're all stocked up here."

[j4jets]

Stats don't tell the story. His job was to carry the ball 30 times in the most ideal scenarios, the expectation that many of those carries would go for 2-4 yards. Everyone in the stadium knew that it was going to be a run by Eddie George, and he still managed to do what he did in his career. 

 

The ONLY defender that ever challenged him was Ray Lewis, otherwise he punished guys. He had to be gang tackled regularly. He was a grinder, in a time when grinding was part of the game.

 

You cannot compare his YPC average to Greene's, it makes no sense. This is a passing league now, much easier for RBs to average 4.0+ ypc. 

 

Greene is nowhere near the talent or beast that EG was.

 

All you need to do is actually see him play. LOL

 

I've seen him play. Nothing spectacular. And the passing league comment does not apply to Greene. He ran the ball when Jets had no QB. Sanchez played for the opponents and was constantly challenged to beat them throught the air while they loaded the box on Greene. Greene punished guys too. Thats his style. EG had a pretty good QB in Steve McNair. I don't think EG would manage 1000 yards on the Jets team last year with 276 carries. He hit the wall a few months after the turned 27.

[jbone]

Almost as crazy as trying to say Sanchez=Aikman. 

[pedro55]

How is Eddie George so special? In his entire career, he averaged over 4.0 ypc TWICE, that too 4.1 both times. Stats might not tell the entire story, but if my starting RB is averaing 3.9 ypc or less in 7 out of 9 season, Im replacing him. Besides being a workhorse, he wasn't anything special on a great Titans team.

 

  This is the problem with statistical analysis.  No depth perception.  No reality to what the situation was or is.   And just use stats you think are important over other stats. Guys like Eddie George were expected to carry the ball 300-400 times a season.  If he averaged close to 5 yards a carry, he'd be rushing for over 2K yards every year.  We've seen how many times running backs have rushed for 2K yards in the NFL.  7 Times.   Thats it.

 

  Greene is a RB who couldn't carry the ball 15-20 times a game and be effective, much less be expected to carry it 30-35 times a game.  Give him the ball another 150X in a season and he probably retires due to injury. Look at what people think of him now.  He was expected to be the franchise RB the last two seasons and he still carried the ball about 100+ times less than George did.  And he wasn't nearly as effective or good the past two seasons.   Different kind of player and mentality.    Hell, Ricky Williams went off to fantasy weed land after a few seasons because he couldn't handle being the workhorse.   When you carry the ball 350-400 times as a bruiser, it takes it's toll on your body.  It also takes it's toll on your mind.    

 

  There are very few guys in the NFL these days like Eddie George.    Shonne Green isnt' close to being like Eddie George.    

[pedro55]

  It's also a different game today.    
TD had his great 2000 yard, 392 carry season..  And he never really played in the NFL again.

 

  This is what nobody seems to understand.  Most players can't handle the load of carrying the ball 400 times.

And it's also why RBs lasted about 4 years in the NFL.   It's also why these days there are tons of teams who have multiple running backs.

AKA the Titans now have Chris Johnson to start and Greene to be the transition back.       

[j4jets]

  This is the problem with statistical analysis.  No depth perception.  No reality to what the situation was or is.   And just use stats you think are important over other stats. Guys like Eddie George were expected to carry the ball 300-400 times a season.  If he averaged close to 5 yards a carry, he'd be rushing for over 2K yards every year.  We've seen how many times running backs have rushed for 2K yards in the NFL.  7 Times.   Thats it.

 

  Greene is a RB who couldn't carry the ball 15-20 times a game and be effective, much less be expected to carry it 30-35 times a game.  Give him the ball another 150X in a season and he probably retires due to injury. Look at what people think of him now.  He was expected to be the franchise RB the last two seasons and he still carried the ball about 100+ times less than George did.  And he wasn't nearly as effective or good the past two seasons.   Different kind of player and mentality.    Hell, Ricky Williams went off to fantasy weed land after a few seasons because he couldn't handle being the workhorse.   When you carry the ball 350-400 times as a bruiser, it takes it's toll on your body.  It also takes it's toll on your mind.    

 

  There are very few guys in the NFL these days like Eddie George.    Shonne Green isnt' close to being like Eddie George.    

 

Games with 20+ carries

 

2009: 2 games (both playoffs), 44 carries, 263 yards, 2 TDs, 6.0 YPC

2010: 2 games, 42 carries, 189 yards, 4.5 ypc.

2011: 5 games, 108 carries, 486 yards, 4.5 YPC, 5 TDs

2012: 4 games, 103 carries, 436 yards, 4.2 YPC, 5 TDs

Total 13 games, 297 carries, 1,374 yards, 4.4 YPC, 12 TDs

 

Games with 15+ carries

2009: 2 games, 35 carries, 239 yards, 2 TDs, 6.83 YPC

2010: 5 games, 90 carries, 353 yards, 3.92 YPC

2011: 9 games, 176 carries, 743 yards, 6 TDs, 4.22 YPC

2012: 10 games, 205 yards, 803 yards, 6 TDs, 3.92 YPC

Total 30 games, 586 carries, 2,547 yards, 17 TDs, 4.35 YPC

 

Greene was more effective when he ran 20 or more times when defenses tired down. Our OC had no clue, of course. The more carries he got, the tired the Ds got, and the more punishment he delivered. He almost always started slow, but as the games went on, he picked up his game. It was very well documented that Greene's style of play suggested that Jets would continue to pound even if he was getting couple yards a carry and as soon as 4th quarter would hit, Ds got slower and Greene was much more effective with his playing style.

 

The most he carried the ball was for 32 times for 161 yars and 3 TDs. Jet never trusted him with more than 24 carries a game (just twice). He was a better RB in a ground and pound offense.

[BurnleyJet]

He's just selling this Sh@t signing to his fans. What's he going to say "I signed this Bruser that isnt a brusier, and my 75 year old Aunt runs with more power and pace".

[pointman]

Lendale White > Shonn Greene.

[pedro55]

Games with 20+ carries

 

2009: 2 games (both playoffs), 44 carries, 263 yards, 2 TDs, 6.0 YPC

2010: 2 games, 42 carries, 189 yards, 4.5 ypc.

2011: 5 games, 108 carries, 486 yards, 4.5 YPC, 5 TDs

2012: 4 games, 103 carries, 436 yards, 4.2 YPC, 5 TDs

Total 13 games, 297 carries, 1,374 yards, 4.4 YPC, 12 TDs

 

Games with 15+ carries

2009: 2 games, 35 carries, 239 yards, 2 TDs, 6.83 YPC

2010: 5 games, 90 carries, 353 yards, 3.92 YPC

2011: 9 games, 176 carries, 743 yards, 6 TDs, 4.22 YPC

2012: 10 games, 205 yards, 803 yards, 6 TDs, 3.92 YPC

Total 30 games, 586 carries, 2,547 yards, 17 TDs, 4.35 YPC

 

Greene was more effective when he ran 20 or more times when defenses tired down. Our OC had no clue, of course. The more carries he got, the tired the Ds got, and the more punishment he delivered. He almost always started slow, but as the games went on, he picked up his game. It was very well documented that Greene's style of play suggested that Jets would continue to pound even if he was getting couple yards a carry and as soon as 4th quarter would hit, Ds got slower and Greene was much more effective with his playing style.

 

The most he carried the ball was for 32 times for 161 yars and 3 TDs. Jet never trusted him with more than 24 carries a game (just twice). He was a better RB in a ground and pound offense.

 

   This is a nice theory, except he just signed with the Titans to be a backup to Chris Johnson.  

If the guy thought he was a legit starter, a franchise RB who can carry the ball 30 times a game, you don't sign with a team who has Chris Johnson.

 

 You seem to have more faith in his skills than he does.   He could have signed wherever he wanted and probably received the same amount of money, and be a starter.  I mean Stephen Jackson, all the wear and tear on him, signed with the Falcons.  He didn't want to be some backup.

Greene is far younger, far less wear and tear.   It says a lot about a player who chooses to be a backup over being the starter.

 

 

 We saw the same kind of attitude from Matt Moore. He's a backup to the young franchise QB(at least miami hopes.)  So the best he will ever be down in Miami is a backup.  He could have tested the market and some team would have paid him Chase Daniel Money or better, the Jets would have brought him in to compete with Sanchez. And he'd have just as good a chance as anybody to be the starter.   Instead he choose to remain a backup for pretty much the rest of his career.  

Greene kind of did the same thing.  Some players just don't have the make up to be the starter.

[NJ]

Their only similarity other than the position they play(ed) is their skin color. Eddie George was a beast.

[#27TheDominator]

Games with 20+ carries

 

2009: 2 games (both playoffs), 44 carries, 263 yards, 2 TDs, 6.0 YPC

2010: 2 games, 42 carries, 189 yards, 4.5 ypc.

2011: 5 games, 108 carries, 486 yards, 4.5 YPC, 5 TDs

2012: 4 games, 103 carries, 436 yards, 4.2 YPC, 5 TDs

Total 13 games, 297 carries, 1,374 yards, 4.4 YPC, 12 TDs

 

Games with 15+ carries

2009: 2 games, 35 carries, 239 yards, 2 TDs, 6.83 YPC

2010: 5 games, 90 carries, 353 yards, 3.92 YPC

2011: 9 games, 176 carries, 743 yards, 6 TDs, 4.22 YPC

2012: 10 games, 205 yards, 803 yards, 6 TDs, 3.92 YPC

Total 30 games, 586 carries, 2,547 yards, 17 TDs, 4.35 YPC

 

Greene was more effective when he ran 20 or more times when defenses tired down. Our OC had no clue, of course. The more carries he got, the tired the Ds got, and the more punishment he delivered. He almost always started slow, but as the games went on, he picked up his game. It was very well documented that Greene's style of play suggested that Jets would continue to pound even if he was getting couple yards a carry and as soon as 4th quarter would hit, Ds got slower and Greene was much more effective with his playing style.

 

The most he carried the ball was for 32 times for 161 yars and 3 TDs. Jet never trusted him with more than 24 carries a game (just twice). He was a better RB in a ground and pound offense.

 

 

I probably like Shonn Greene more than anybody on this board.  I will go so far as to say that I find Pedro's "backup mentality" post above to be a crock of sh*t.  He went where they offered him money and he is a good counterpart to Johnson.  OTOH, I don't find these stats to be particularly meaningful.  Of course he did better in games where he had more carries.  For the most part when he was doing good they fed it to him.  When he wasn't they went another direction.  It's like that with almost any back. 

[JetsFanInDenver]

Greene was running with a QB(s) that were bottom  of the barrel. No one was scared o Sanchez and McElroy. And yet he had back to back 1000 yard seasons.

 

It would be good to see what he can do with an average QB!

[pedro55]

I probably like Shonn Greene more than anybody on this board.  I will go so far as to say that I find Pedro's "backup mentality" post above to be a crock of sh*t.  He went where they offered him money and he is a good counterpart to Johnson.  OTOH, I don't find these stats to be particularly meaningful.  Of course he did better in games where he had more carries.  For the most part when he was doing good they fed it to him.  When he wasn't they went another direction.  It's like that with almost any back. 

 

   Any guy who thinks he's a starter isn't going to go to a team where he'll be the backup running back.   Steven Jackson still thinks he's a starter. Still wants to be a starter.  Signed with the Falcons and will be their starter.   Greene went to the Titans and will back up Chris Johnson.  Believe what you want, but anybody who thinks they deserve to start wouldn't sign a deal to be on a team where they are a backup player.   

 

 There seemed to be some interest from a few teams, not just the Titans.  Seemed teams like the Packers, Broncos, had interest, needs.   He signed with the Titans.  He'd  probably be the starter in Green Bay.  Sometimes players need to believe that they are a starter. Becoming a backup when there are other options to be a starter,  really tells you all you need to know about Greene.

[Larz]

when he gets a "illegal use of crown of helmet " penalty after a 3 yard run, get back to us mike

 

that running style is dead

[pedro55]

  All I know is if your a starting running back and you go to a team who already has a starting running back who is expecting 300 carries and the team expects him to get his carries,  what's left over for you?  Get some TDs, get about 95 carries, and call it a season.  

If you're a starter, you're a starter.  Greene isn't some 30 something year old guy who just wants a couple more seasons.    

 

 Going to a team with Chris Johnson just means Greene really doesn't think he's a starter.  Any starter would want to go to a team and be the starter or at least fight to be the starter.    Would David Garrard sign with the Jets if he thought he didn't have a fighting chance to be the starter?  I doubt it. And he's been out of the NFL for two years.     Greene and the world already knows Johnson is the starter, Johnson will get his 300 carries, and Greene will have to hope for an injury.   Yeah it's great if you're a guy who just wants to collect a paycheck.

 

  Plenty of players leave teams because they want to be the starter.  Matt Schaub. Kevin Kolb.  Michael Turner.  Marcus Allen.

Greene signed a nice little contract to be a backup for the next few years.  His only hope is Johnson gets hurt.  Who would sign a deal like that if they think they are the best RB on a team?

[j4jets]

  All I know is if your a starting running back and you go to a team who already has a starting running back who is expecting 300 carries and the team expects him to get his carries,  what's left over for you?  Get some TDs, get about 95 carries, and call it a season.  

If you're a starter, you're a starter.  Greene isn't some 30 something year old guy who just wants a couple more seasons.    

 

 Going to a team with Chris Johnson just means Greene really doesn't think he's a starter.  Any starter would want to go to a team and be the starter or at least fight to be the starter.    Would David Garrard sign with the Jets if he thought he didn't have a fighting chance to be the starter?  I doubt it. And he's been out of the NFL for two years.     Greene and the world already knows Johnson is the starter, Johnson will get his 300 carries, and Greene will have to hope for an injury.   Yeah it's great if you're a guy who just wants to collect a paycheck.

 

Recent reports suggest Greene will be taking carries AWAY from CJ2K. I had CJ on my fantasy team last two years. He sucked. Besides his one carry for 50+ yards, he'll run the ball 20 times for 25 yards and kill about 6 drives doing so. That is why they brought in Greene. They want to gain 4 yards a carry and not be in a 3rd and long situation every time.

 

And Greene is getting over $3mil a yr, not exactly what you'd pay a traditional backup RB. Just because he signed with the Titans, doesn't mean he has given up on his career hopes of starting.

[j4jets]

when he gets a "illegal use of crown of helmet " penalty after a 3 yard run, get back to us mike

 

that running style is dead

 

The rule is being exaggerated. Its illegal use of helmet only when the ball carrier "attacks" the defender. He can throw his head down during a contact, as long as he's not unleashing himself unto the defender.

[Greenseed4]

  All I know is if your a starting running back and you go to a team who already has a starting running back who is expecting 300 carries and the team expects him to get his carries,  what's left over for you?  Get some TDs, get about 95 carries, and call it a season.  

If you're a starter, you're a starter.  Greene isn't some 30 something year old guy who just wants a couple more seasons.    

 

 Going to a team with Chris Johnson just means Greene really doesn't think he's a starter.  Any starter would want to go to a team and be the starter or at least fight to be the starter.    Would David Garrard sign with the Jets if he thought he didn't have a fighting chance to be the starter?  I doubt it. And he's been out of the NFL for two years.     Greene and the world already knows Johnson is the starter, Johnson will get his 300 carries, and Greene will have to hope for an injury.   Yeah it's great if you're a guy who just wants to collect a paycheck.

 

  Plenty of players leave teams because they want to be the starter.  Matt Schaub. Kevin Kolb.  Michael Turner.  Marcus Allen.

Greene signed a nice little contract to be a backup for the next few years.  His only hope is Johnson gets hurt.  Who would sign a deal like that if they think they are the best RB on a team?

 

You used the word "starter" 11 times in three paragraphs.  I call them paragraphs because you indent them.