hotcoles87 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I keep playing out draft scenerios out in my head, and the second round (as with most years) just seems stacked with talent. I feel like any one of these guys has the chance to come in and bring a similar impact to anyone of the top ten targets we've been talking about. Here's a small list of guys that i'd have interest in between the late first and early 3rd. I've also listed a few possible fallers (think about where Upshaw, DeCastro and Cordy Glenn went last year) OLB Corey Lemonier (love him) Alex Okafor Jamie Collins Possible fallers-:Jarvis Jones, Damontre Moore S Jon Cyprian (love him) Eric Reid Matt Elam G/T Larry Warford Kyle Long Possible faller: Melenik Watson WR Justin Hunter Deandre Hopkins Robert Woods (love him) Quinton Patton Possible Faller : Kennan Allen Wheaton, Bailey and Wiliams would all be nice targets in the 3rd. There are 100 good WR's in this draft. QB Ryan Nassib (love him, and would take him over Geno or Barkley any day of the week) Matt Barkley EJ Manual RB Gio Bernard Eddie Lacy Christine Michael (best back in the draft imo, just a moron.) Later picks: Andre Ellington, Ball, Bell, Franklin, Davis Tons of good backs available Random guys that might fall and present value Tyler Effert, Zack Ertz, Kevin Minter, Alec Ogletree, Margus Hunt, John Jenkins Out of that list, there's like 20 or more players that I would be thrilled to have. As I do every year, I would love to work out way into the late first or second round and load up on these guys. They are all going to come with cheap contracts, and have almost as good of a chance to become stars as first round targets. Would anyone really be shocked and appauled of say Corey Lemonier ended up a better player than Ansah or Mingo? Would it be crazy if Ryan Nassib ended up a better QB than Geno Smith? Would it be impossible for Christine Michael to end up as the best back in the draft? The answer is no. We have to find a way to trade back and grab some of these players. I hope Idzik settles with the Bucs for this years second and next years first, and I hope we trade back into the mid-late first and pickup another 2nd + in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 What exactly are Nassib's attributes that will make him anything more than a career backup? Did you watch him play at cuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 No TE’s on the list? From both a value, and need position I would take the likes of Ertz, McDonald, or Escobar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotcoles87 Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share Posted April 4, 2013 What exactly are Nassib's attributes that will make him anything more than a career backup? Did you watch him play at cuse? Physically, he's got enough- Big arm, tough kid, very strong. His stats were great, while playing for a lousy team, with not much talent around him. He played in a pro style WCO, and had pressure on him all the time. What I noticed about him, unlike Geno, is that he had to fight for every hard he gained. There were no gimmie 90 yard bombs to some wide open receiver due to a spread formation. But the biggest thing I like about the kid is his attitude. When I see Mark Sanchez, I see a huge pssy. He isn't a leader, and never will be. When I see Geno, I see someone who is trying to say and do the right things, but it's not natural. I don't see him as the kind of guy who's going to take over a locker room and lead grown men. He's not being who he really is, and personally, I think he's a total fraud. I see Barkley as an absolute punk. Watch the clip with him and Mariucci on the white board and you will see it for yourself. Then I see Nassib. Laid back, cool kid who comes off as honest. I see him being a leader. Watched several post game press conferences, inverviews, comine interview etc. Love the kid. Watch the Mizzu game of Nassib, and some interviews, and you might learn to love him. PS I don't like Mike Glennon because he looks too much like Napolean Dynamite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotcoles87 Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share Posted April 4, 2013 No TE’s on the list? From both a value, and need position I would take the likes of Ertz, McDonald, or Escobar I put them in at the bottom under "random guys who might present value" for the sake of keeping the post a little shorter. For the second round, I only like the two I had listed, but yeah, McDonald and Esco would be good guys a little later on as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Physically, he's got enough- Big arm, tough kid, very strong. His stats were great, while playing for a lousy team, with not much talent around him. He played in a pro style WCO, and had pressure on him all the time. What I noticed about him, unlike Geno, is that he had to fight for every hard he gained. There were no gimmie 90 yard bombs to some wide open receiver due to a spread formation. But the biggest thing I like about the kid is his attitude. When I see Mark Sanchez, I see a huge pssy. He isn't a leader, and never will be. When I see Geno, I see someone who is trying to say and do the right things, but it's not natural. I don't see him as the kind of guy who's going to take over a locker room and lead grown men. He's not being who he really is, and personally, I think he's a total fraud. I see Barkley as an absolute punk. Watch the clip with him and Mariucci on the white board and you will see it for yourself. Then I see Nassib. Laid back, cool kid who comes off as honest. I see him being a leader. Watched several post game press conferences, inverviews, comine interview etc. Love the kid. Watch the Mizzu game of Nassib, and some interviews, and you might learn to love him. PS I don't like Mike Glennon because he looks too much like Napolean Dynamite. His arm is average at best. He could be a decent WCO QB but his ceiling is very very low. I saw him play live twice and a bunch on tape and he's just unimpressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 No TE’s on the list? From both a value, and need position I would take the likes of Ertz, McDonald, or Escobar Yeah I was just thinking Ertz would be a nice shiny object in the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I put them in at the bottom under "random guys who might present value" for the sake of keeping the post a little shorter. For the second round, I only like the two I had listed, but yeah, McDonald and Esco would be good guys a little later on as well. LOL Sorry, I did read the post, and for some reason they didn't register Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotcoles87 Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share Posted April 4, 2013 His arm is average at best. He could be a decent WCO QB but his ceiling is very very low. I saw him play live twice and a bunch on tape and he's just unimpressive. You don't have to like the guy- that's on you. But I'll tell you what, I saw Mark Sanchez torch my Nittany Lions in a bowl game, and thought the kid was going to be an absolute stud in the NFL. What I didn't see was how the kid handled adversity. How he handled losing. How he handled pressure. Neither of us are capable of making a legit NFL evaluation, so really neither of us even has a leg to stand on as far as arguing who's right and who's wrong. NFL scouts can't even get this stuff right most of the time. Don't hate on the kid though-- we met with him and had a lengthy meeting with him. I'm sure he's on our radar to some degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 What exactly are Nassib's attributes that will make him anything more than a career backup? Did you watch him play at cuse? Regardless we know the Jets are really high on him. He's the only QB, along with Dysert, we've seen linked to the organization so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Guards. Guards with every pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Guards. Guards with every pick. It just moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotcoles87 Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share Posted April 4, 2013 Guards. Guards with every pick. I wouldn't mind at all. I'd love to trade back 8-10 spots or so, and grab Warmack, Cooper or even Fluker (RT) IF they are all gone, Patterson or Vaccaro wouldn't disappoint me one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 as your list kinda shows the value at WR position is in rd 2. There's also gonna be CB, OLB and S in that range that have starter quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I would have to give it to the 2x 1st team SEC stud in Larry Warford without a doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Jamie Collins is a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 just lookin at this our team could be in for a huge turn around if we trade revis for a 1st and 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 just lookin at this our team could be in for a huge turn around if we trade revis for a 1st and 2nd i dont like trading Revis but if they can get significant picks and if they all work out, then yes agree they would be a winning team again. that is an awesome outcome and I hope it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorge o8 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 love that kid Lemonier i think he will be there in the 3rd K. Long with our 2nd and Ty Powell will fit us in the 5th. if we dont get a Oline in the 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 just lookin at this our team could be in for a huge turn around if we trade revis for a 1st and 2nd Yeah that'll hit the FF button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorge o8 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 love that kid Lemonier i think he will be there in the 3rd K. Long with our 2nd and Ty Powell will fit us in the 5th. if we dont get a Oline in the 1st but K. long in the 2nd if we dont draft a oline in the 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Yeah that'll hit the FF button. yea its probably the fastest way to get the jets contending again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 yea its probably the fastest way to get the jets contending again Fastest? Meh. Most basic? Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Fastest? Meh. Most basic? Yep. basic and fast. What could be better. I guess we could just bring in everyone we had last year and hope the same input produces different output but idk im not seeing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 basic and fast. What could be better. I guess we could just bring in everyone we had last year and hope the same input produces different output but idk im not seeing it Being good in real life and not theory. Why the **** would they bring in everyone they had last year? What is with this thinking you people have lol....Yeah, that's what keeping Revis would mean...They want to keep the '07-'12 gang together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Being good in real life and not theory. Why the **** would they bring in everyone they had last year? What is with this thinking you people have lol....Yeah, that's what keeping Revis would mean...They want to keep the '07-'12 gang together. wow whats with you and your mad arguments. whine more about revis its entertaining im saying with 2 picks in the first round Geno and an o linemen the jets would have the best chance of becoming contenders quickly. Now tell me why you think would not work and give me your scenario where jets get back to contending quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro55 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 wow whats with you and your mad arguments. whine more about revis its entertaining im saying with 2 picks in the first round Geno and an o linemen the jets would have the best chance of becoming contenders quickly. Now tell me why you think would not work and give me your scenario where jets get back to contending quickly. If Geno is legit, yes. If Geno is what a lot of people think and an overhyped good college QB who probably won't be a great NFL QB, then not even close. It's always about the QB. Look at the Bucs. The assumption is with Revis they should be something special. But if Freeman sucks again, they are going to be a 8-8 team. Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 If Geno is legit, yes. If Geno is what a lot of people think and an overhyped good college QB who probably won't be a great NFL QB, then not even close. yea very true im just saying if im 99 years old and want to watch the jets in the playoffs this year before i die or go blind or something i want the jets drafting geno and hopefully he pans out. Im digging his stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 wow whats with you and your mad arguments. whine more about revis its entertaining im saying with 2 picks in the first round Geno and an o linemen the jets would have the best chance of becoming contenders quickly. Now tell me why you think would not work and give me your scenario where jets get back to contending quickly. 1. I've literally answered this at least a half dozen times on this board, if not more. 2. What is so special about Geno Smith and this unnamed, possibly random o linemen that will make this team a contender? 3. If half of the equation to putting this team into contention is Geno Smith and "an o linemen," by that you mean one G, why does that require trading Revis? Just incredibly lazy, lazy thinking...It's flooring that people can both think like this AND do it with such confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 1. I've literally answered this at least a half dozen times on this board, if not more. 2. What is so special about Geno Smith and this unnamed, possibly random o linemen that will make this team a contender? 3. If half of the equation to putting this team into contention is Geno Smith and "an o linemen," by that you mean one G, why does that require trading Revis? Just incredibly lazy, lazy thinking...It's flooring that people can both think like this AND do it with such confidence. your being lazy by not answering my question. Tell me your plan you seem to me like you think you know what your talking about and for all i know your a scout for some NFL team but your acting like you know more stuff but your not telling it so im starting to think you have no real opinion of your own just that everyone elses is wrong. Now tell me what is your plan for the fastest way to get to being a contender. ps: idk i kinda like geno he had great stats in college and i think he will be pretty good in the nfl and stop complaining about revis. It has nothing to do with it i just dont think revis is worth 12m but thats a different argument answer my above question all mighty nfl insider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 I'd take Elam if he was available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassmaster2 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 In round 2 the Jets take a tight end or running back because sounds like going for a pass rusher at 9 , OL 3 round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Moore falling would be incredible, then Escobar in the 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 My OMGDREAM MOCK: 1.9: Tavon Austin 1.13: Tyler Eifert 2: Kyle Long OR Justin Pugh OR Jonathan Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stugotz81 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 your being lazy by not answering my question. Tell me your plan you seem to me like you think you know what your talking about and for all i know your a scout for some NFL team but your acting like you know more stuff but your not telling it so im starting to think you have no real opinion of your own just that everyone elses is wrong. Now tell me what is your plan for the fastest way to get to being a contender. ps: idk i kinda like geno he had great stats in college and i think he will be pretty good in the nfl and stop complaining about revis. It has nothing to do with it i just dont think revis is worth 12m but thats a different argument answer my above question all mighty nfl insider I think Geno is a more polished version of Vince Young. He definitely would need the right coaches to develop him for a chance of having a solid career however Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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