slats Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 a dog is a dog. you don't kick a kid for peeing on the rug. i'd rather kill a million dogs than take a chance with one person's life. but hey, that's just me. Cool. I'm not looking to change your mind. I can clearly see both sides of the issue. I just think the average person has more of a problem with Michael Vick's crimes than the average drunk driver, and is more forgiving of the latter. And would be more forgiving of a franchise naming a convicted drunk driver their starting QB than Michael Vick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I would argue against that. To me, it's more a matter of intent. A drunk driver is looking to get himself somewhere, not hurt anyone. In fact, I'm sure their goal is to not hurt anyone, as that generally leads to getting arrested. It's dangerous and irresponsible, but it's not the same as soberly deciding to raise dogs for the sole purpose of torturing and killing them for one's amusement. Obviously... I'm sure there isn't a man on here who hasn't driven at least one time when they later realized they shouldn't have. I doubt there's any serial dog torturers/murderers.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 a dog is a dog. you don't kick a kid for peeing on the rug. i'd rather kill a million dogs than take a chance with one person's life. but hey, that's just me. You or your father, brother, etc.. has never driven home and realized you probably shouldn't have drove? Gimme a break... I don't know a single person who hasn't thought that at least 1 time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 You or your father, brother, etc.. has never driven home and realized you probably shouldn't have drove? Gimme a break... I don't know a single person who hasn't thought that at least 1 time so i am your barometer of moral and ethical behavior? you know what i do for a living, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 You or your father, brother, etc.. has never driven home and realized you probably shouldn't have drove? Gimme a break... I don't know a single person who hasn't thought that at least 1 time yeah that's my point. people who have done this and put human lives at risk should not be all high and mighty about vick killing some mutts. so thanks for accidentally agreeing with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Torturing anything is evil. Eating dead stuff is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 You or your father, brother, etc.. has never driven home and realized you probably shouldn't have drove? Gimme a break... I don't know a single person who hasn't thought that at least 1 time When I have driven drunk I was to busy looking for a Drive thru to think about anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Pee on my rug and see if I kick you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Torturing anything is evil. Eating dead stuff is awesome. What if you're torturing and eating a sweet young lady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 What if you're torturing and eating a sweet young lady? Not if she is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 What if you're torturing and eating a sweet young lady? Anything that takes place with two woman at once with everyone making it to brunch the next day is cool with Crushlove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Anything that takes place with two woman at once with everyone making it to brunch the next day is cool with Crushlove. DCL has spoken, sobeith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kay_gee Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I don't want Vick for all the reasons. The dog thing is the cake, but the fact he can't play is really elaborate icing. dogs > people, overwhelmingly in my experience. a dog is a dog. you don't kick a kid for peeing on the rug. i'd rather kill a million dogs than take a chance with one person's life. but hey, that's just me. I don't kick dogs for that either. based on this thread alone, my dog's a better person than you are and I like her a lot more. good thing I don't have to decide whether to kill you or my dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Ignoring the whole value of a human life vs a dogs, (although in many cases, I'd value the dog), there is a very big difference between a drunken mistake and serial torture. If Vick had run over a dog in his car and Stallworth had spent years torturing and killing dozens of humans, you think their respective fallout would be the same? Drinking then getting behind the wheel and killing some one isn't a mistake, it's bad judgement. As for Vick, he paid the price for doing so unless he killed your dog I don't see why people keep casting stones his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I wouldn't be all that excited about the prospect of rooting for Vick either, but Jason f*cking Taylor once played a full season for this team. I think we'll manage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I wouldn't be all that excited about the prospect of rooting for Vick either, but Jason f*cking Taylor once played a full season for this team. I think we'll manage. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I wouldn't be all that excited about the prospect of rooting for Vick either, but Jason f*cking Taylor once played a full season for this team. I think we'll manage. **** that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 You or your father, brother, etc.. has never driven home and realized you probably shouldn't have drove? Gimme a break... I don't know a single person who hasn't thought that at least 1 time I agree. Pee on my rug and see if I kick you Your rug obviously doesn't really tie the room together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Drinking then getting behind the wheel and killing some one isn't a mistake, it's bad judgement. As for Vick, he paid the price for doing so unless he killed your dog I don't see why people keep casting stones his way. Technically it's both, it's bad judgment to get behind the wheel drunk, killing someone makes it a mistake, a huge one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I don't want Vick because I don't want another media circus that doesn't helps us win football games. Also, I love dogs. Also, I don't drink and drive at all anymore, but used to and it may be the single most idiotic, self-centered, a$$hole thing I've done in my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Technically it's both, it's bad judgment to get behind the wheel drunk, killing someone makes it a mistake, a huge one. I hear you. Either way, people need to stop acting all "saint-like" everytime Vick's name is brought up. I'm not saying to leave your pet around dude, but were talking about football on a forum, people need to get off it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I don't want Vick because I don't want another media circus that doesn't helps us win football games. Also, I love dogs. Also, I don't drink and drive at all anymore, but used to and it may be the single most idiotic, self-centered, a$$hole thing I've done in my life. Just cause you love something doesn;t mean you shouldn;t eventually eat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I don't want Vick because I don't want another media circus that doesn't helps us win football games. Also, I love dogs. Also, I don't drink and drive at all anymore, but used to and it may be the single most idiotic, self-centered, a$$hole thing I've done in my life. I can respect everything you just said, why? because your reasoning is about football and the Jets. The way people jump on Vick is cruel because these are people who are no better. I'm not saying to accept the action, but a person not directly impacted should certainly be able to move on once he faced his charge, served his time apologized and even did service work. You support actions like that not drag people through the dirt just because your dirty secrets aren't out in the open like his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acupuncturejeff Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 Killing someone from drunk driving is horrible, strangling a dog is horrible. I do not want to root for anyone on the Jets who has killed someone or a dog. I do not even want someone with any arrest record. I know there are players on the Jets who have arrest records, and personally, I would like jackasses like Goodson off the team. I do not care if they make the Jets better, because IMO, they make the Jets worse in the long run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I don't want Vick for all the reasons. The dog thing is the cake, but the fact he can't play is really elaborate icing. dogs > people, overwhelmingly in my experience. I don't kick dogs for that either. based on this thread alone, my dog's a better person than you are and I like her a lot more. good thing I don't have to decide whether to kill you or my dog. gee, aren't you a sweetheart. after i'm done kicking my dog i now have a place to put my foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Okay, back to football. I don't want Michael Vick on the Jets because I don't believe he has anything left in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Hmmm, they brought in and paid a corner a kings ransom money, knowing he had about 15 different kids with about 8 different skanks. If pro sports teams applied this criteria to bringing in players, most teams wouldn't be able to field a team on Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Okay, back to football. I don't want Michael Vick on the Jets because I don't believe he has anything left in him. Actually, and especially after this year, I could not disagree more. After he got injured and Foles took over, he will basically have 8-10 months of NO FOOTBALL contact, allowing his body to finally heel up, to a point where he will be more healthy coming into this year than he has in a long time. I would take Vick over what we have now in a heartbeat, and given he knows Marty's system, the learning curve would be on warp drive, and he would be ready to go. If they dont draft a Franchies guy, then by all means, go get MIKE VICK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 If pro sports teams applied this criteria to bringing in players, most teams wouldn't be able to field a team on Sunday Patrick Ewing disagrees, as does Wilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Just cause you love something doesn;t mean you shouldn;t eventually eat it. Big bush joke opportunity in 3... 2.... 1.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I can respect everything you just said, why? because your reasoning is about football and the Jets. The way people jump on Vick is cruel because these are people who are no better. I'm not saying to accept the action, but a person not directly impacted should certainly be able to move on once he faced his charge, served his time apologized and even did service work. You support actions like that not drag people through the dirt just because your dirty secrets aren't out in the open like his. Thanks. However, I beg to differ. I am a better person, and I have no dirty little secrets. I've taken great care in my life to make good decisions, and that is my reward. I'm a better person than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 yeah that's my point. people who have done this and put human lives at risk should not be all high and mighty about vick killing some mutts. so thanks for accidentally agreeing with me. thats a dumb point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 The way people jump on Vick is cruel because these are people who are no better. I'm absolutely a better person than Michael Vick. Your attempts at moral equivalency are more than a little scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Okay, back to football. I don't want Michael Vick on the Jets because I don't believe he has anything left in him. That should really be the only reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Thanks. However, I beg to differ. I am a better person, and I have no dirty little secrets. I've taken great care in my life to make good decisions, and that is my reward. I'm a better person than most. POTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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