Johnny Football headed to the NFL

[BroadwayJoe12]

Not important measureables. the important ones to measure are his toughness, leadership, cockiness, desire to do anything to win, and confidence in himself and that he can make everyone around him better.

 

That other crap, height 40 time etc, just stats GM's use to downgrade some poor kid, so they can justify not drafting a kid too high so you dont have to pay him.

 

In a QB, Joe Namath always said, the INTANGIBLES make a great QB.

 

Totally. Cockiness   >>> Size, speed, Arm strength. 

 

 

For what it's worth, his speed his one of the largest reasons you and others like him. If he ran a 4.9, he'd be a nobody. So if you were to disregard some of that "other crap" that GMs use, Manziel would be a 5th round draft pick at best. 

[bitonti]

I just commented in another post today I think Bridgewater, Bortles and Manziel all go top 10. He still looks about 5'11 to me...

 

he probably was 5'11" but i'd bet money he measures taller than that in late Feb, we live in a brave new world. Adrian Peterson can come back better from what would have been a crippling injury 10 years ago. Ray Lewis and Bama can injest deer antlers. Johnny manziel can get taller if that's what it takes. He's Johnny friggin football. 

[bitonti]

I just commented in another post today I think Bridgewater, Bortles and Manziel all go top 10. He still looks about 5'11 to me...

 

top 10 is true... top 5 is also feasible. 

[BroadwayJoe12]

I just commented in another post today I think Bridgewater, Bortles and Manziel all go top 10. He still looks about 5'11 to me...

 

Definitely sub-six foot. Te'o measured in at 6'1.2" at the combine and Manziel is significantly shorter in this picture. Not that I care about his size, I personally just don't think his game translates to the NFL, but I would venture a guess he weighs in at 5'11 195ish.

 

[joewillie78]

Totally. Cockiness   >>> Size, speed, Arm strength. 

 

 

For what it's worth, his speed his one of the largest reasons you and others like him. If he ran a 4.9, he'd be a nobody. So if you were to disregard some of that "other crap" that GMs use, Manziel would be a 5th round draft pick at best. 

Yeah, and the exact opposite is some freak that 6'7", weighs about 260, can throw the ball 80 yards, and could care less if he ever won a game, or competed just as long as he got paid. Anyone seen Jamarcus Russell lately.

 

Look, all things being equal,(which they never are) if you have kids that are the "perfect" measureables but could care less about the game, or you have a kid as dynamic as this kid who is a born leader, and wants to win, no matter what, give me that kid anytime.

 

The best QB the JETS have had in the past 12 years was Chad Pennington, and alls that kid really had were INTAGIBLES, but the dude was a winner and a competitor.

[The Crusher]

Yeah, and the exact opposite is some freak that 6'7", weighs about 260, can throw the ball 80 yards, and could care less if he ever won a game, or competed just as long as he got paid. Anyone seen Jamarcus Russell lately.

 

Look, all things being equal,(which they never are) if you have kids that are the "perfect" measureables but could care less about the game, or you have a kid as dynamic as this kid who is a born leader, and wants to win, no matter what, give me that kid anytime.

 

The best QB the JETS have had in the past 12 years was Chad Pennington, and alls that kid really had were INTAGIBLES, but the dude was a winner and a competitor.

 

 

This surprises no one.  LOL

[CotcheryifyouCan]

I think he will do well but the media would have a field day if he ended up on the jets. He will be long gone by the time we pick so the point is moot

[BroadwayJoe12]

Yeah, and the exact opposite is some freak that 6'7", weighs about 260, can throw the ball 80 yards, and could care less if he ever won a game, or competed just as long as he got paid. Anyone seen Jamarcus Russell lately.

 

Look, all things being equal,(which they never are) if you have kids that are the "perfect" measureables but could care less about the game, or you have a kid as dynamic as this kid who is a born leader, and wants to win, no matter what, give me that kid anytime.

 

The best QB the JETS have had in the past 12 years was Chad Pennington, and alls that kid really had were INTAGIBLES, but the dude was a winner and a competitor.

 

There's not a single player that I've ever seen in college football, Manziel included, who was more of a leader of men and cared more about winning than Tim Tebow. What'd that do for him? You could have all the passion in the world for the game and if your skills don't cut it, then you won't make it. Now, Manziel's pro-potential is better than Tebows, true, I just personally don't believe his skillset translates to the NFL. It has nothing to do with attitude. 

 

And for what it's worth, a lot of the things you are raving about Manziel for, passion for the game, leader, cockiness, could be said about Rex and yet you hate him for that.  

 

Actually, the best QB we've had in 12 years was a 40 year old Brett Favre up until he sustained the first major injury in his career. And not for nothing, but Pennington won, not because of his attitude, but because outside of one season, he was a mediocre QB on a very good football team.

[CTM]

Fair point, but I am being genuine with my question - I just don't know anything about what's been said of Manziel's build. I was hoping for those in-the-know to edumacate me a bit.

 

^ wants topless johnny footballs pictures

[ZachEY]

Never understood all the Pennington hate, guys.

[Larz]

the browns will take him

[Integrity28]

^ wants topless johnny footballs pictures

 

Pac sets the low bar for comedy around here, you need to figure out a different way to contribute.

[The Crusher]

Pac sets the low bar for comedy around here, you need to figure out a different way to contribute.

 

CTM should stick to Crusher fat jokes and Pac should stick to telling us how he likes slurping white Russians through a penis straw.     Order restored. 

[Integrity28]

CTM should stick to Crusher fat jokes and Pac should stick to telling us how he likes slurping white Russians through a penis straw.     Order restored. 

 

99% of the guys here like a little white russian from the penis... 

[The Crusher]

99% of the guys here like a little white russian from the penis... 

  Yeah but Pac is the only one that thinks of it as a bragging right.

[joewillie78]

There's not a single player that I've ever seen in college football, Manziel included, who was more of a leader of men and cared more about winning than Tim Tebow. What'd that do for him? You could have all the passion in the world for the game and if your skills don't cut it, then you won't make it. Now, Manziel's pro-potential is better than Tebows, true, I just personally don't believe his skillset translates to the NFL. It has nothing to do with attitude. 

 

And for what it's worth, a lot of the things you are raving about Manziel for, passion for the game, leader, cockiness, could be said about Rex and yet you hate him for that.  

 

Actually, the best QB we've had in 12 years was a 40 year old Brett Favre up until he sustained the first major injury in his career. And not for nothing, but Pennington won, not because of his attitude, but because outside of one season, he was a mediocre QB on a very good football team.

As I have said before, Tebow had everything you would want in a teammate and a QB EXCEPT he had the worst throwing motion I have ever seen in a QB. That loopy thing he did throwing looked like someone playing with a windup doll, but he was a leader, tough, cocky BUT you have to have some skill. As a QB he had none basically.

 

Manziel has all those things and Skill. He is a cant miss.

 

Pennington was just a born leader who was incredibly smart. One of the smartest QB I have ever seen. Dude just knew what to do with the ball at all times. Sure, he had a wet noodle for a right shoulder, so he knew his limitations and used them to his advantage and won many games with the 5 inches between his ears. When Parcells drafts a QB in the FIRST round, they have to be good and smart, and Chad was.

[joewillie78]

This surprises no one.  LOL

After JoeWillie, my second most favorite Jet.

 

And the dude I disliked the most Aaron (fake spike) Glenn.

[The Crusher]

After JoeWillie, my second most favorite Jet.

 

And the dude I disliked the most Aaron (fake spike) Glenn.

 

 

If you love Namath so much you should get married in his jersey. 

[ZachEY]

Roads Scholar

[joewillie78]

If you love Namath so much you should get married in his jersey. 

I have had a Namath Jersey for like a million years. It hangs on my wall (I have worn it like twice way back in college), but I have sworn that I wont ever put the Namath Jersey back on, until the day the JETS win another SB.

 

I have always thought that I should wear it every January 12th (3 days away, by the way), but decided that if the Jets do not win one before January 12th, 2019, the 50th anniversary, then that will be the next day I put it on.

 

Just a hunch, but I think it will be the 50th anniverasry when it gets worn again, unless of course they can draft JOHNNY JET, then maybe we have a chance.

 

Its only weird if they lose.

[BroadwayJoe12]

Roads Scholar

 

Nominee. 

[ZachEY]

Nominee.

POTW Thanks!

[Il Mostro]

Roads Scholar

 

 

[flgreen]

JAN 8

7:05

PM ET

 

By Rich Cimini | ESPN.com

 

 

If Johnny Manziel is sitting there for the New York Jets on the night of May 8, their draft room should recreate the postgame scene from the season finale in Miami, where the team celebrated Rex Ryan's announced return with a spontaneous burst of loud and crazy.

 

 

There were cheers, screams, high-fives and a bro-hug between Ryan and general manager John Idzik, and they could do it all over again if Johnny Football is available.

 

 

For the Jets, a franchise whose draft history is built on great players they didn't want (Dan Marino) and great players they wanted but couldn't get (Brett Favre), it would be a defining moment of uncommon luck if Manziel slips to them with the 18th pick.

 

 

The Jets have been looking for the next Joe Namath since Broadway Joe limped off to the Los Angeles Rams in 1977, and they'd be insane to pass on Manziel, who officially declared Wednesday for the NFL draft.

 

 

 

 

The Texas A&M star was one of the best and most exciting college football players of his generation, and the Jets -- a team on the rise after a surprising 8-8 finish -- could use some best and exciting to galvanize a rebuilding effort that shifts into Phase 2.

 

Geno Smith was the lowest-rated passer in the league and, although he showed promise over the final four games of his rookie season, the organization still isn't convinced he's The Guy. It was telling that Idzik, who rarely reveals his true feelings, remarked in his season-ending news conference that "we'll look at quarterbacks, yes, we will look at quarterbacks" in the offseason.

 

You don't look beyond Manziel if he somehow gets past the five teams in the top eight that have glaring quarterback needs.

 

If he's there for the Jets, they should draft him and announce an open competition with Smith, knowing it would be Manziel's team when he's ready. The one year devoted to Smith wouldn't go to a waste because young quarterbacks with upside have value, and they could always trade him in a year or two, perhaps recouping their second-round investment.

 

It's rare for a team to use first- and/or second-round picks in back-to-back drafts on quarterbacks -- the Carolina Panthers did it in 2010 and 2011 with Jimmy Clausen and Cam Newton, respectively -- but teams with quarterback questions shouldn't turn away from a potential franchise-changing player.

 

Manziel, the 2012 Heisman Trophy winner, could be that guy. Don't take my word for it; listen to retired coach Dan Henning, who spent more than 30 years tutoring quarterbacks in the NFL.

 

"Bring him on, baby," Henning said in a phone interview. "I think he's a Tebow who can pass. He has tremendous leadership ability; the players rally around him. He wasn't going to let them lose [against Duke in the Chick-fil-A Bowl]. I just think he's a really good player."

 

Henning said Manziel has "a little [Jim] McMahon in him, so you have to watch the off-the-field stuff," but he's convinced Manziel has the skill set to succeed in the NFL.

 

Henning is right. Manziel's arm is good enough. He's instinctive. He can improvise with the best of them. Henning said Manziel reminds him of Russell Wilson, meaning he can escape the pocket but still is capable of making a throw on the run.

10 Most Frustrating Jets QBs

 

 

 

 

Manziel will be the most scrutinized draft prospect over the next four months, with scouts questioning his size (6-feet) and nocturnal habits.

 

 

Yeah, Johnny Football likes the nightlife, as Namath did back in the day, so there would be some risk in bringing Manziel to New York. If he can get to Las Vegas from College Station, Texas, he certainly won't have any problem finding Manhattan from the Jets' headquarters in Florham Park, N.J.

 

 

The Jets would have to prepare for the inevitability of TMZ becoming part of the organizational lexicon, but that wouldn't necessarily put Manziel on the road to draft-bust-dom. Namath loved to party, but he was devoted to his craft and the team, his teammates will tell you to this day. Obviously, quarterback-needy teams will have to investigate Manziel's background, determining his level of commitment.

 

 

Manziel-to-the-Jets could be just a crazy dream. ESPN draft gurus Mel Kiper Jr. and Todd McShay rate him as the 12th- and 18th-best prospect, respectively, so you have to figure there will be a team ahead of the Jets that succumbs to Johnny Fever before May 8.

 

 

Maybe a trade up? The Jets did that in 2009, jumping from 17th to fifth, selecting quarterback Mark Sanchez. But that was a perfect storm, as they received a sweetheart deal from the Cleveland Browns, whose coach -- former Jets coach Eric Mangini -- was willing to accept Jets trash in a trade package.

 

 

The Jets won't get that lucky again, so they'd have to surrender actual commodities (high draft picks) to move up high enough for Manziel. But sometimes you have to take chances. When you're a star-crossed franchise, 45 years without a Super Bowl, you don't look away when a true star crosses your path.

[BroadwayJoe12]

POTW Thanks!

 

[CTM]

 

The best QB the JETS have had in the past 12 years was Chad Pennington, and alls that kid really had were INTAGIBLES, but the dude was a winner and a competitor.

 

Pennington = the Coors Light of QB's

[CTM]

all this pennington goofing makes me wonder where Johnny Hector went? Haven't seen him in awhile

[ZachEY]

 

it MOVED

[ZachEY]

JAN 8

7:05

PM ET

 

By Rich Cimini | ESPN.com

 

 

If Johnny Manziel is sitting there for the New York Jets on the night of May 8, their draft room should recreate the postgame scene from the season finale in Miami, where the team celebrated Rex Ryan's announced return with a spontaneous burst of loud and crazy.

 

 

There were cheers, screams, high-fives and a bro-hug between Ryan and general manager John Idzik, and they could do it all over again if Johnny Football is available.

 

 

For the Jets, a franchise whose draft history is built on great players they didn't want (Dan Marino) and great players they wanted but couldn't get (Brett Favre), it would be a defining moment of uncommon luck if Manziel slips to them with the 18th pick.

 

 

The Jets have been looking for the next Joe Namath since Broadway Joe limped off to the Los Angeles Rams in 1977, and they'd be insane to pass on Manziel, who officially declared Wednesday for the NFL draft.

 

 

 

 

The Texas A&M star was one of the best and most exciting college football players of his generation, and the Jets -- a team on the rise after a surprising 8-8 finish -- could use some best and exciting to galvanize a rebuilding effort that shifts into Phase 2.

 

Geno Smith was the lowest-rated passer in the league and, although he showed promise over the final four games of his rookie season, the organization still isn't convinced he's The Guy. It was telling that Idzik, who rarely reveals his true feelings, remarked in his season-ending news conference that "we'll look at quarterbacks, yes, we will look at quarterbacks" in the offseason.

 

You don't look beyond Manziel if he somehow gets past the five teams in the top eight that have glaring quarterback needs.

 

If he's there for the Jets, they should draft him and announce an open competition with Smith, knowing it would be Manziel's team when he's ready. The one year devoted to Smith wouldn't go to a waste because young quarterbacks with upside have value, and they could always trade him in a year or two, perhaps recouping their second-round investment.

 

It's rare for a team to use first- and/or second-round picks in back-to-back drafts on quarterbacks -- the Carolina Panthers did it in 2010 and 2011 with Jimmy Clausen and Cam Newton, respectively -- but teams with quarterback questions shouldn't turn away from a potential franchise-changing player.

 

Manziel, the 2012 Heisman Trophy winner, could be that guy. Don't take my word for it; listen to retired coach Dan Henning, who spent more than 30 years tutoring quarterbacks in the NFL.

 

"Bring him on, baby," Henning said in a phone interview. "I think he's a Tebow who can pass. He has tremendous leadership ability; the players rally around him. He wasn't going to let them lose [against Duke in the Chick-fil-A Bowl]. I just think he's a really good player."

 

Henning said Manziel has "a little [Jim] McMahon in him, so you have to watch the off-the-field stuff," but he's convinced Manziel has the skill set to succeed in the NFL.

 

Henning is right. Manziel's arm is good enough. He's instinctive. He can improvise with the best of them. Henning said Manziel reminds him of Russell Wilson, meaning he can escape the pocket but still is capable of making a throw on the run.

10 Most Frustrating Jets QBs

 

 

 

 

Manziel will be the most scrutinized draft prospect over the next four months, with scouts questioning his size (6-feet) and nocturnal habits.

 

 

Yeah, Johnny Football likes the nightlife, as Namath did back in the day, so there would be some risk in bringing Manziel to New York. If he can get to Las Vegas from College Station, Texas, he certainly won't have any problem finding Manhattan from the Jets' headquarters in Florham Park, N.J.

 

 

The Jets would have to prepare for the inevitability of TMZ becoming part of the organizational lexicon, but that wouldn't necessarily put Manziel on the road to draft-bust-dom. Namath loved to party, but he was devoted to his craft and the team, his teammates will tell you to this day. Obviously, quarterback-needy teams will have to investigate Manziel's background, determining his level of commitment.

 

 

Manziel-to-the-Jets could be just a crazy dream. ESPN draft gurus Mel Kiper Jr. and Todd McShay rate him as the 12th- and 18th-best prospect, respectively, so you have to figure there will be a team ahead of the Jets that succumbs to Johnny Fever before May 8.

 

 

Maybe a trade up? The Jets did that in 2009, jumping from 17th to fifth, selecting quarterback Mark Sanchez. But that was a perfect storm, as they received a sweetheart deal from the Cleveland Browns, whose coach -- former Jets coach Eric Mangini -- was willing to accept Jets trash in a trade package.

 

 

The Jets won't get that lucky again, so they'd have to surrender actual commodities (high draft picks) to move up high enough for Manziel. But sometimes you have to take chances. When you're a star-crossed franchise, 45 years without a Super Bowl, you don't look away when a true star crosses your path.

 

Jets Fans like Manziel + Jets Fans say Cimini is an idiot + Cimini Likes Manziel = ?????

[CTM]

Pac sets the low bar for comedy around here, you need to figure out a different way to contribute.

 

 

^ wants topless pac pictures

[BroadwayJoe12]

all this pennington goofing makes me wonder where Johnny Hector went? Haven't seen him in awhile

 

Haven't really seen much of him since last year's knicks' threads.  He was already on the decline in posting and seemed to stop all-together once RJF left. Both a bummer, good posters.

[T0mShane]

JAN 8

7:05

PM ET

By Rich Cimini | ESPN.com

If Johnny Manziel is sitting there for the New York Jets on the night of May 8, their draft room should recreate the postgame scene from the season finale in Miami, where the team celebrated Rex Ryan's announced return with a spontaneous burst of loud and crazy.

There were cheers, screams, high-fives and a bro-hug between Ryan and general manager John Idzik, and they could do it all over again if Johnny Football is available.

For the Jets, a franchise whose draft history is built on great players they didn't want (Dan Marino) and great players they wanted but couldn't get (Brett Favre), it would be a defining moment of uncommon luck if Manziel slips to them with the 18th pick.

The Jets have been looking for the next Joe Namath since Broadway Joe limped off to the Los Angeles Rams in 1977, and they'd be insane to pass on Manziel, who officially declared Wednesday for the NFL draft.

The Texas A&M star was one of the best and most exciting college football players of his generation, and the Jets -- a team on the rise after a surprising 8-8 finish -- could use some best and exciting to galvanize a rebuilding effort that shifts into Phase 2.

Geno Smith was the lowest-rated passer in the league and, although he showed promise over the final four games of his rookie season, the organization still isn't convinced he's The Guy. It was telling that Idzik, who rarely reveals his true feelings, remarked in his season-ending news conference that "we'll look at quarterbacks, yes, we will look at quarterbacks" in the offseason.

You don't look beyond Manziel if he somehow gets past the five teams in the top eight that have glaring quarterback needs.

If he's there for the Jets, they should draft him and announce an open competition with Smith, knowing it would be Manziel's team when he's ready. The one year devoted to Smith wouldn't go to a waste because young quarterbacks with upside have value, and they could always trade him in a year or two, perhaps recouping their second-round investment.

It's rare for a team to use first- and/or second-round picks in back-to-back drafts on quarterbacks -- the Carolina Panthers did it in 2010 and 2011 with Jimmy Clausen and Cam Newton, respectively -- but teams with quarterback questions shouldn't turn away from a potential franchise-changing player.

Manziel, the 2012 Heisman Trophy winner, could be that guy. Don't take my word for it; listen to retired coach Dan Henning, who spent more than 30 years tutoring quarterbacks in the NFL.

"Bring him on, baby," Henning said in a phone interview. "I think he's a Tebow who can pass. He has tremendous leadership ability; the players rally around him. He wasn't going to let them lose [against Duke in the Chick-fil-A Bowl]. I just think he's a really good player."

Henning said Manziel has "a little [Jim] McMahon in him, so you have to watch the off-the-field stuff," but he's convinced Manziel has the skill set to succeed in the NFL.

Henning is right. Manziel's arm is good enough. He's instinctive. He can improvise with the best of them. Henning said Manziel reminds him of Russell Wilson, meaning he can escape the pocket but still is capable of making a throw on the run.

10 Most Frustrating Jets QBs

Manziel will be the most scrutinized draft prospect over the next four months, with scouts questioning his size (6-feet) and nocturnal habits.

Yeah, Johnny Football likes the nightlife, as Namath did back in the day, so there would be some risk in bringing Manziel to New York. If he can get to Las Vegas from College Station, Texas, he certainly won't have any problem finding Manhattan from the Jets' headquarters in Florham Park, N.J.

The Jets would have to prepare for the inevitability of TMZ becoming part of the organizational lexicon, but that wouldn't necessarily put Manziel on the road to draft-bust-dom. Namath loved to party, but he was devoted to his craft and the team, his teammates will tell you to this day. Obviously, quarterback-needy teams will have to investigate Manziel's background, determining his level of commitment.

Manziel-to-the-Jets could be just a crazy dream. ESPN draft gurus Mel Kiper Jr. and Todd McShay rate him as the 12th- and 18th-best prospect, respectively, so you have to figure there will be a team ahead of the Jets that succumbs to Johnny Fever before May 8.

Maybe a trade up? The Jets did that in 2009, jumping from 17th to fifth, selecting quarterback Mark Sanchez. But that was a perfect storm, as they received a sweetheart deal from the Cleveland Browns, whose coach -- former Jets coach Eric Mangini -- was willing to accept Jets trash in a trade package.

The Jets won't get that lucky again, so they'd have to surrender actual commodities (high draft picks) to move up high enough for Manziel. But sometimes you have to take chances. When you're a star-crossed franchise, 45 years without a Super Bowl, you don't look away when a true star crosses your path.

If Johnny Manziel was black, he's a third rounder with "major character issues" and an "unorthodox throwing motion" who will "need to be controlled." But he's a scrappy "winner" who "likes the nightlife," so he's Namath, natch.

[T0mShane]

Haven't really seen much of him since last year's knicks' threads. He was already on the decline in posting and seemed to stop all-together once RJF left. Both a bummer, good posters.

It's just really, really hard to talk about the Knicks and/or Jets right now. Hector likes absolutes, not what-if's.

[artemusclyde]

If Johnny Manziel was black, he's a third rounder with "major character issues" and an "unorthodox throwing motion" who will "need to be controlled." But he's a scrappy "winner" who "likes the nightlife," so he's Namath, natch.

 

Wow, was this dumb. Unorthodox throwing motion? I guess cause he's white and he runs he's automatically Tebow, right? Despite the fact that he's got a pretty good release.

[artemusclyde]

Just another reason why we should draft him. Would make this rivalry even more sweet.                         

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/05/tom-brady-joins-the-johnny-manziel-bashing-party/

 

  Tom Brady joins the Johnny Manziel bashing party

Posted by Kevin McGuire on September 5, 2013, 7:22 PM EST

Tom Brady and Johnny Manziel are pretty much polar opposites when it comes to demeanor on and off the field. Brady is the calm, laid back leader on the field who lives a posh life off the field. Manziel is unabashed and not afraid to speak his mind on the field… and lives a posh life off the field. OK, maybe they’re not quite that different but nobody would mistake the Super Bowl MVP quarterback with a couple Super Bowl rings for the polarizing Heisman Trophy winner when it comes to on-field antics. We can also add Brady to the growing list of football voices to speak their mind about Manziel in not-so-favorable fashion.

As a guest on CNBC’s Squawk Box, Brady was asked about his opinion of the Texas A&M quarterback — because why not? — and the New England Patriots quarterback handled the hot button issue as well as you would have expected, rather than suggesting he would look to cause any physical harm or intimidation.

“He’s [Manziel] probably been the best athlete in his high school class, in his elementary school class,” Brady said, which is probably true. “So when you look across the ball, you have respect for those guys and treat them with respect. Football’s a physical game … and as [New England Patriots owner Bob Kraft] would say, “If you’re a turd, it’s going to come back to you.”

You will notice that Brady did not come out directly firing at Manziel, but the basic point of his message appears to be reaching the surface. What Brady said actually comes off as more of a warning to Manziel to behave more than a direct criticism. What do you think?