Gastineau Lives Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Some people display neither, we talk about their intangibles. #White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 #FootballIQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehFalcon63 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I disagree. I was watching little league last night. You can spot an athletic kid before he hits the weight room. Yeah, some kids are genetically gifted. That doesn't mean people with bad genetics can't BECOME athletic. Otherwise, training would be pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehFalcon63 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I think you've got it mixed up. Athleticism is raw, gifted ability. Skill is built over time with work, training, etc. Most players get to the NFL because they have both. Some players have a lot of one, to compensate for lack of the other. Special players have a ton of both. Most pro athletes are athletic in addition to their training, not in spite of it. Are you honestly saying that if you don't have natural strength, speed, and explosiveness, you can NEVER have it? So I guess heavy squats, sprints, and diet don't matter at all? I guess weight training and speed training are just done to waste time? I guess people who start out with 100 pound squats can never get to 500? Guys that start with 15" verts can't get to 30"? You've obviously never trained a day in your life is you believe that you can't improve your athleticism. But, what do I know. It's not like I've been around pro football players my entire HS and college career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I am short slow and weak- sign me up for the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehFalcon63 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I am short slow and weak- sign me up for the NFL. That's not what I said at all. I simply said that these combine numbers mean nothing. Play on the field is what matters. With that being said, if we want someone with both, get Jordan Campbell from KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 don't want either fast TE who got in trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 That's not what I said at all. I simply said that these combine numbers mean nothing. Play on the field is what matters. With that being said, if we want someone with both, get Jordan Campbell from KC. I was being sarcastic- I actually somewhat agree I do not put alot of stock into combine results- show me what you have on the playing field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I am short slow and weak- sign me up for the NFL. Whats your wunderlic score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 That's not what I said at all. I simply said that these combine numbers mean nothing. Play on the field is what matters. With that being said, if we want someone with both, get Jordan Campbell from KC. Werent guys like Graham and Gates, basically chosen based on their Combine performances? I don't know, I am just asking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Some people display neither, we talk about their intangibles. I see what you did there and I likey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehFalcon63 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Werent guys like Graham and Gates, basically chosen based on their Combine performances? I don't know, I am just asking? I don't know. Probably. But that doesn't mean that good combine numbers are an indication of the caliber of player you will be in the NFL. Vernon Gholston and Jerry Rice are prime examples. If combine numbers are so important, I guess I'm faster than Jerry Rice was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 None of the combine events mean anything. All I care about is how well they play on the field. Athleticism can be improved. If someone can play well with bad athleticism, just imagine what they can do once they improve theirs. You're really on a roll this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I don't know. Probably. But that doesn't mean that good combine numbers are an indication of the caliber of player you will be in the NFL. Vernon Gholston and Jerry Rice are prime examples. If combine numbers are so important, I guess I'm faster than Jerry Rice was No, I agree, but sometimes, these relatively unknowns can jump out with great combine #s and be worth drafting, as a possible sleeper. Look, we know Sammy Watkins is great no matter what he does in INDY, short of Murder 1, or building a Meth Lab in his Ferrari, but some "unknown" from Idaho ag and tech, could jump up with good numbers right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 I haven't seen anyone ripping Bridgewater's height before the combine. It is Manziel, Murray and Boyd who are the midgets. You must have missed it b/c there was a lot of people claiming he wouldn't be more than 6'1 or over 200 lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 2014 NFL Scouting Combine - 40-yard-Dash Results (TE) 2014 Scouting Combine - 40-yard Dash Results (OL) *(u) denotes initial unofficial time Taylor Lewan, Michigan - 4.87 (4.85u) Greg Robinson, Auburn - 4.92 (4.84u) | Story Trai Turner, LSU - 4.93 (4.84) Joel Bitonio, Nevada - 4.97 (4.91u) Matt Patchan, Boston College - 4.97 (4.84u) Michael Schofield, Michigan - 5.01 (4.90u) Seantrel Henderson, Miami - 5.04 (5.03u) Xavier Su'a-Filo, UCLA - 5.04 (4.90u) Jake Matthews, Texas A&M - 5.07 (4.91u) Brandon Thomas, Clemson - 5.09 (4.97) Weston Richburg, Colorado St. - 5.10 (5.07u) Wesley Johnson, Vanderbilt - 5.11 (5.09u) Gabe Ikard, Oklahoma - 5.13 (5.09u) Jonotthan Harrison, Florida - 5.15 (5.10u) Zach Fulton, Tennessee - 5.16 (5.10u) Billy Turner, North Dakota State - 5.16 (5.06u) James Stone, Tennessee - 5.17 (5.09u) Russell Bodine, North Carolina - 5.18 (5.18u) Justin Britt, Missouri - 5.19 (5.10u) Ryan Groy, Wisconsin - 5.19 (5.13u) Kadeem Edwards, Tennessee St. - 5.25 (5.19u) Cameron Fleming, Stanford - 5.28 (5.34u) Travis Swanson, Arkansas - 5.28 (5.16u) Conor Boffeli, Iowa - 5.30 (5.34u) Antonio Richardson, Tennessee - 5.30 (5.19u) John Urschel, Penn St. - 5.31 (5.25u) Jon Halapio, Florida - 5.34 (5.32u) Ja'Wuan James, Tennessee - 5.34 (5.28u) Matthew Paradis, Boise State - 5.34 (5.25u) Brandon Linder, Miami - 5.35 (5.22u) Morgan Moses, Virginia - 5.35 (5.19u) Matt Armstrong, Grand Valley State - 5.36 (5.35u) Cyril Richardson, Baylor - 5.36 (5.34u) Matt Feiler, Bloomsburg - 5.37 (5.44u) Jack Mewhort, Ohio St. - 5.37 (5.19u) Dakota Dozier, Furman - 5.42 (5.28u) David Yankey, Stanford - 5.48 Chris Watt, Notre Dame - 5.50 (5.50u) Gabe Jackson, Mississippi State - 5.51 (5.43u) Cyrus Kouandjio, Alabama - 5.59 (5.53u) James Hurst, North Carolina - Did Not Run Tyler Larsen, Utah State - Did Not Run Charles Leno Jr., Boise State - Did Not Run Corey Linsley, Ohio St. - Did Not Run Spencer Long, Nebraska - Did Not Run Luke Lucas, Kansas St. - Did Not Run Zack Martin, Notre Dame - Did Not Run Marcus Martin, USC - Did Not Run Anthony Steen, Alabama - Did Not Run Bryan Stork, Florida State - Did Not Run http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24452392/combine-results-40-yard-dash-offensive-line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 You're really on a roll this week. You're not taking the elite athleticism class at your local golds gym? Sucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehFalcon63 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 You're not taking the elite athleticism class at your local golds gym? Sucker. I never claimed to have elite athleticism. Maybe if I wasn't injury-prone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I never claimed to have elite athleticism. Maybe if I wasn't injury-prone. Well you should take the class to increase you athleticism, seems pretty obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I never claimed to have elite athleticism. Maybe if I wasn't injury-prone. Must not be stretching properly before your athletic training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 Some official TE times: Jace Amaro at 265 ran 4.74 benched 28 Eric Ebron at 250 ran 4.60 benched 24 Colt Lyerla at 242 ran 4.61 benched 15 CJ Fedorowicz at 265 ran 4.76 benched 25 Nicklas, ASJ, Grimble did not run... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehFalcon63 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Must not be stretching properly before your athletic training Static stretching is terrible before working out, actually. Now, dynamic stretching... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Some official TE times: Jace Amaro at 265 ran 4.74 benched 28 Eric Ebron at 250 ran 4.60 benched 24 Colt Lyerla at 242 ran 4.61 benched 15 CJ Fedorowicz at 265 ran 4.76 benched 25 Nicklas, ASJ, Grimble did not run... ASJ fractured foot, Niklas groin. ASJ may not be ready to run for pro day. Maybe he falls to rd. 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Amaro just looks like a douche. Permanent douche face while he was dropping passes today too. If fake smile makes it to the scout douche face should too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 Small School freaky athletic TE to keep an eye on. AC Leonard, Tenn State, 6'2 252 lb. ran a 4.50 , 33 inch vert, 20 rep Bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 Should be noted that Colt Lyerla jumped out of the freaking building with a 36.5 inch vert....which is just insane. Next closest guy was Marcel Jensen & Leonard with 33 inches. Ebron, Amaro and Nicklas a very pedestrian 30 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Are you honestly saying that if you don't have natural strength, speed, and explosiveness, you can NEVER have it? So I guess heavy squats, sprints, and diet don't matter at all? I guess weight training and speed training are just done to waste time? I guess people who start out with 100 pound squats can never get to 500? Guys that start with 15" verts can't get to 30"? You've obviously never trained a day in your life is you believe that you can't improve your athleticism. But, what do I know. It's not like I've been around pro football players my entire HS and college career. LOL, well that's one way to react to someone else's point of view. All I'm saying that athleticism is something you are born with, or not born with. Some people are born extremely athletic, and others not so much. All of the things you are citing like doing squats, sprints, dietary changes, etc., it's all part of refining and/or augmenting the level of athleticism you are born with... which I personally classify as skill, because it's the part of being an athlete that comes as a result of training and working hard. You are not born with the ability to do sprints, or carbo-load, or any of that... those are things that come as a result of learning, applying and practicing. Skills are things we learn and practice. Athleticism, in my opinion, is the catch-all expression for natural ability. While skill is the word I personally use to describe what you become able to do, through learning, practicing and working at it. It's just my point of view. You could spend every day of your life around rocket scientists and brain surgeons. It doesn't mean you know anything about what they do, and it certainly doesn't make you an expert in their fields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 Jace Amaro also has incredibly small hands for someone 6'5 265....9" It seems extremely unlikely he's going in the first round....very average athlete (40, vert) with small hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 LOL, well that's one way to react to someone else's point of view. All I'm saying that athleticism is something you are born with, or not born with. Some people are born extremely athletic, and others not so much. All of the things you are citing like doing squats, sprints, dietary changes, etc., it's all part of refining and/or augmenting the level of athleticism you are born with... which I personally classify as skill, because it's the part of being an athlete that comes as a result of training and working hard. You are not born with the ability to do sprints, or carbo-load, or any of that... those are things that come as a result of learning, applying and practicing. Skills are things we learn and practice. Athleticism, in my opinion, is the catch-all expression for natural ability. While skill is the word I personally use to describe what you become able to do, through learning, practicing and working at it. It's just my point of view. You could spend every day of your life around rocket scientists and brain surgeons. It doesn't mean you know anything about what they do, and it certainly doesn't make you an expert in their fields. You consider hand/eye, coordination etc athleticism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 LOL, well that's one way to react to someone else's point of view. All I'm saying that athleticism is something you are born with, or not born with. Some people are born extremely athletic, and others not so much. All of the things you are citing like doing squats, sprints, dietary changes, etc., it's all part of refining and/or augmenting the level of athleticism you are born with... which I personally classify as skill, because it's the part of being an athlete that comes as a result of training and working hard. You are not born with the ability to do sprints, or carbo-load, or any of that... those are things that come as a result of learning, applying and practicing. Skills are things we learn and practice. Athleticism, in my opinion, is the catch-all expression for natural ability. While skill is the word I personally use to describe what you become able to do, through learning, practicing and working at it. It's just my point of view. You could spend every day of your life around rocket scientists and brain surgeons. It doesn't mean you know anything about what they do, and it certainly doesn't make you an expert in their fields. I never considered Intangible Animal an obnoxious poster but he's doing a good job of it in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 You consider hand/eye, coordination etc athleticism? Sorry to chime in but JMO....yeah, Absolutely.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehFalcon63 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Athleticism, in my opinion, is the catch-all expression for natural ability. While skill is the word I personally use to describe what you become able to do, through learning, practicing and working at it. Doesn't matter what your opinion is, you're wrong. Obviously, some people have better genetics than others. That doesn't mean that you can't improve your ATHLETICISM (NOT skill) through training. ANYONE can, for example, get to a 4.5 40, or a 5-minute mile, or a 500 pound squat. Not everyone can get to a 4.3 40, but everyone can become just as athletic as most NFL players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Sorry to chime in but JMO....yeah, Absolutely.. Was just asking him...but yeah I do too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehFalcon63 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 You consider hand/eye, coordination etc athleticism? Proprioception. Yes, of course. And just like anything involving athleticism, it can be improved. I never considered Intangible Animal an obnoxious poster but he's doing a good job of it in this thread. How so? Everything I've said is true. You're siding with people that are saying that you can't improve your athleticism through training. You're on the wrong side of the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 You consider hand/eye, coordination etc athleticism? Yes. People are born with good hand/eye coordination or they aren't. The ones that are, lucky. The ones that aren't compensate for it with training and muscle memory, as well as researching opponents etc, in many cases (like scouting reports, watching film, knowing what to expect situationally). Those are acquired skills, that augment hand-eye coordination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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