eboozer Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 I hate Pitt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted March 3, 2014 Author Share Posted March 3, 2014 TJ Ward, Byrd, Vernon Davis, Talib and Vener Free Agents. Ward or Byrd now that Orakpo is off the board, along with Verner. Dansby or woodyard @ OLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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faba Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Steelers use transition tag on Jason Worilds Posted by Darin Gantt on March 3, 2014, 4:03 PM EST AP After the transition tag sat dormant for so long, it has been used twice in the last hour. The Steelers named outside linebacker Jason Worilds their transition player, the team announced. That guarantees Worilds, who wasn’t even a full-time starter last year, a one-year deal worth $9.754 million. The franchise tag would have cost $11.455 million. Worilds had value after registering 8.0 sacks last year, but his side and the Steelers couldn’t agree on what it was. Now, he can go to the market, and the Steelers have the opportunity to match any deal he finds, though there’s no compensation if they don’t. The transition tag effectively dares the agent to find a contract. If the Steelers don’t elect to match, they’ll just return their gaze to 2013 first-rounder Jarvis Jones, whose rookie year went in fits and starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 I hate Pitt. The transition tag is basically nothing. If any team offers him a contract larger than Pitt is willing to accept, he's gone, without the acquiring team having to forfeit any compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted March 3, 2014 Author Share Posted March 3, 2014 Show a link or a story when posting a thread It's all over Twitter/ ESPN. C'mon Man... DeMarcus Ware might be an otion @ OLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 It's all over Twitter/ ESPN. C'mon Man... DeMarcus Ware might be an otion @ OLB. SIGN THIS BEAST!!!!!!!!!!!! Coples and Ware WOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 It's all over Twitter/ ESPN. C'mon Man... DeMarcus Ware might be an otion @ OLB. In the future if you want to start a thread post a link to a story-not your opinion about something- twitter oh yeah the heart of journalism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 TJ Ward, Byrd, Vernon Davis, Talib and Vener Free Agents. Ward or Byrd now that Orakpo is off the board, along with Verner. Dansby or woodyard @ OLB I'll take a shot on Vernon Davis since Graham is off the table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjets Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I hope the Jets make a splash this off season. We should pay Byrd and Tate or Byrd and Decker. We gonna have to over pay for someone that's just the game. I'm a little scared we we gonna go after budget guys. It's time to bring some dam talent in here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorge o8 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I hope the Jets make a splash this off season. We should pay Byrd and Tate or Byrd and Decker. We gonna have to over pay for someone that's just the game. I'm a little scared we we gonna go after budget guys. It's time to bring some dam talent in herewould love to see Byrd i Jets uni. i think he would be a great fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I hope the Jets make a splash this off season. We should pay Byrd and Tate or Byrd and Decker. We gonna have to over pay for someone that's just the game. I'm a little scared we we gonna go after budget guys. It's time to bring some dam talent in here Why would you ever knowingly pay a player more than his value? That's how teams get in trouble. Maybe not this year or the following season, but the more you overspend, the sooner you're going to be cash-strapped with a roster full of overpaid players. In your defense, I guess it does depend on the level of over-paying, but it's usually not a recipe for success. History has shown us that those who win in free agency, usually do not translate that success to the win-loss column once the year starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Why would you ever knowingly pay a player more than his value? That's how teams get in trouble. Maybe not this year or the following season, but the more you overspend, the sooner you're going to be cash-strapped with a roster full of overpaid players. In your defense, I guess it does depend on the level of over-paying, but it's usually not a recipe for success. History has shown us that those who win in free agency, usually do not translate that success to the win-loss column once the year starts. Normally, I'd agree but the value of money is changing over the next two years. The salary cap can go as high as 150mil by 2016. What may seem like slightly overpaying now can look like a pretty good deal by then. Worilds is off the market, by the way. He just signed a one year deal with the Steelers. Steelers signed OLB Jason Worilds to a one-year, $9.754 million contract. Worilds was slapped with the transition tag Monday. No offer sheets can come Worilds' way now. Per CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora, Worilds and the Steelers have made progress toward a long-term deal, and that remains the goal for both parties. Worilds and Brian Orakpo were set to be the most coveted 3-4 edge rushers in free agency. Orakpo was franchise tagged and would cost two first-round picks to sign away from Washington, and Worilds is now locked in with Pittsburgh. OLB LaMarr Woodley is now expected to be cut by the Steelers http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5701/jason-worilds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Normally, I'd agree but the value of money is changing over the next two years. The salary cap can go as high as 150mil by 2016. What may seem like slightly overpaying now can look like a pretty good deal by then. Worilds is off the market, by the way. He just signed a one year deal with the Steelers. Steelers signed OLB Jason Worilds to a one-year, $9.754 million contract. Worilds was slapped with the transition tag Monday. No offer sheets can come Worilds' way now. Per CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora, Worilds and the Steelers have made progress toward a long-term deal, and that remains the goal for both parties. Worilds and Brian Orakpo were set to be the most coveted 3-4 edge rushers in free agency. Orakpo was franchise tagged and would cost two first-round picks to sign away from Washington, and Worilds is now locked in with Pittsburgh. OLB LaMarr Woodley is now expected to be cut by the Steelers http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5701/jason-worilds Understandable and of course Idzik needs to keep an eye to the future in making any upcoming deals. The main point of my argument is that I don't like paying for past performance, unless you think it's repeatable, which is the case that usually is brought up with Decker. He's clearly the best free agent WR: he's got the size, speed, production, age and pretty much everything that you'd like in a receiver. However, if he's looking to be around $10 mill per season, that would set him up as a top 8 receiver and I'm not sure he has a top 8 type of impact, especially after watching him get manhandled in the super bowl. If the cap does escalate to $140 and $150 million over the next two years respectively, that could end up looking like a decent deal and in which case I wouldn't be too upset, but I would feel much more comfortable giving him a Victor Cruz/Greg Jennings deal ($9ish per and $17 gauranteed) than a Vincent Jackson or Brandon Marshal type of deal ($11 per). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Can anyone explain to me why Jason Worlids would sign a one-year deal worth $9.74M when his transition tag was already paying him that amount? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Can anyone explain to me why Jason Worlids would sign a one-year deal worth $9.74M when his transition tag was already paying him that amount? I would have to imagine it means he just wants to work out a long-term deal with the organization and this was a step to show them that he does. I think it was pretty much a formality that a deal was going to get done, but you're right, it seems silly how a lot of these players aren't even testing a market flushed with money. Could also mean that his agents feel he won't find a better deal than is being offered. Could be a number of things I suppose, but I would guess that they offered him a deal he's satisfied with and he truly wants to stay in Pitt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I would have to imagine it means he just wants to work out a long-term deal with the organization and this was a step to show them that he does. I think it was pretty much a formality that a deal was going to get done, but you're right, it seems silly how a lot of these players aren't even testing a market flushed with money. Could also mean that his agents feel he won't find a better deal than is being offered. Could be a number of things I suppose, but I would guess that they offered him a deal he's satisfied with and he truly wants to stay in Pitt. Last I read, Worlids had up to 8 teams sniffing around his availability. Now that Orakpo is signed to the non-exclusive, Worlids jumped up to the top-dog on the OLB ratings. He had nothing to lose by listening to potential multi-year deals, with gigantic contracts, and huge guaranteed money. He literally mailed in all leverage he had in negotiating. Horrible agenting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Last I read, Worlids had up to 8 teams sniffing around his availability. Now that Orakpo is signed to the non-exclusive, Worlids jumped up to the top-dog on the OLB ratings. He had nothing to lose by listening to potential multi-year deals, with gigantic contracts, and huge guaranteed money. He literally mailed in all leverage he had in negotiating. Horrible agenting. yes, exactly. what was the harm of at least listening to first day offers? a team could have blown his doors in with an offer. you never know. at the players stand point, whats the difference between signing today and next week? that's definitely odd, to say the least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Last I read, Worlids had up to 8 teams sniffing around his availability. Now that Orakpo is signed to the non-exclusive, Worlids jumped up to the top-dog on the OLB ratings. He had nothing to lose by listening to potential multi-year deals, with gigantic contracts, and huge guaranteed money. He literally mailed in all leverage he had in negotiating. Horrible agenting. yes, exactly. what was the harm of at least listening to first day offers? a team could have blown his doors in with an offer. you never know. at the players stand point, whats the difference between signing today and next week? that's definitely odd, to say the least It's possible that his agents know a rough ballpark of what the market is and Worilds decided if Pittsburgh could match or come close he'd just assume sign there. Despite the tampering rules, plenty of agents talk to teams and get a feel for the market value of their player. It's really hard to say until the contract comes out, but Pittsburgh is reportedly ready to drop Woodley in order to make it happen, so they may have just matched any offer regardless and Worilds values staying in Pittsburgh more than maxing out his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjets Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 BroadwayJoe12 everything you have to say is true. I just feel we are bad NOW, and we need talent asap. i'm not saying back the truck up, but we have to make competitive offers. this isn't exactly the ideal place to play for most free agents. but again u make perfect sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 It's possible that his agents know a rough ballpark of what the market is and Worilds decided if Pittsburgh could match or come close he'd just assume sign there. Despite the tampering rules, plenty of agents talk to teams and get a feel for the market value of their player. It's really hard to say until the contract comes out, but Pittsburgh is reportedly ready to drop Woodley in order to make it happen, so they may have just matched any offer regardless and Worilds values staying in Pittsburgh more than maxing out his contract. If you're the Jets, do you give Woodley a 2-3 yr. deal? OR 40) Karlos Dansby, LB Arizona Cardinals: It's hard to imagine Dansby replicating his success in most systems, but he was positively electric in Arizona last year. 91) Wesley Woodyard, LB, Denver Broncos: One of the league's premier coverage linebackers in 2012, Woodyard was ill-suited to the middle linebacker role and fell out of favor during the Super Bowl run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 If you're the Jets, do you give Woodley a 2-3 yr. deal? 91) Wesley Woodyard, LB, Denver Broncos: One of the league's premier coverage linebackers in 2012, Woodyard was ill-suited to the middle linebacker role and fell out of favor during the Super Bowl run. No sign Woodyard the guy is a beast plays like Bryan Cox he will flourish with our DL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 If you're the Jets, do you give Woodley a 2-3 yr. deal? OR 40) Karlos Dansby, LB Arizona Cardinals: It's hard to imagine Dansby replicating his success in most systems, but he was positively electric in Arizona last year. 91) Wesley Woodyard, LB, Denver Broncos: One of the league's premier coverage linebackers in 2012, Woodyard was ill-suited to the middle linebacker role and fell out of favor during the Super Bowl run. Isn't Dansby an ILB? Plugging him in for Harris or Davis doesn't fill any hole and I question if any of the 3 can swing outside. Isn't Woodyard like 220? I can't see him holding up the edge in this D. I think Woodley would be a real option, but will depend on the $$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 Isn't Dansby an ILB? Plugging him in for Harris or Davis doesn't fill any hole and I question if any of the 3 can swing outside. Isn't Woodyard like 220? I can't see him holding up the edge in this D. I think Woodley would be a real option, but will depend on the $$. Put him behind Wilkerson, and I don't think he needs to set the edge. Big Mo was a freak last year getting outside and stringing the plays out. Woodyard weighs in @ 233 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I wonder why he signed the transition tag? Seems silly to not at least see what people offer. Worst case scenario pit matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Put him behind Wilkerson, and I don't think he needs to set the edge. Big Mo was a freak last year getting outside and stringing the plays out. Woodyard weighs in @ 233 The guy is a tweener LB/S. The Jets need a tweener LB/DE. He was Wilkerson doing a good job is great, but having him do somebody elses job is not. OLBs are supposed to be standing guys up and setting the edge. 233 is way too light and I'm not even sure where the 233 comes from. I saw the listing, but he was around 220 at the combine and I read he was down in the teens at some points a year or two ago. Pace is in the 260-270 range. This guy may seem better, but he won't hold up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 How would free agent ex-Jet Jonathan Vilma do with this DL? Bring him home where he belongs. Im gonna start a thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 How would free agent ex-Jet Jonathan Vilma do with this DL? Bring him home where he belongs. Im gonna start a thread. Strictly a 4-3 MLB I believe... We need speed and coverage skills at the OLB position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 How would free agent ex-Jet Jonathan Vilma do with this DL? Bring him home where he belongs. Im gonna start a thread. Bring him home on a sign and retire. Otherwise, no thanks. Strictly a 4-3 MLB I believe... We need speed and coverage skills at the OLB position. Right about Vilma. Wrong about the rest. The Jets don't use the OLB in coverage much and they value size over speed. The speed OLB is generally a glamour pass rush specialist on this team. Our OLBs should probably be 260+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 Bring him home on a sign and retire. Otherwise, no thanks. Right about Vilma. Wrong about the rest. The Jets don't use the OLB in coverage much and they value size over speed. The speed OLB is generally a glamour pass rush specialist on this team. Our OLBs should probably be 260+. That's where Woodley could be a valuable signing if Steeler's cut him. Ware could also be of value. The speed OLB is generally a glamour pass rush specialist on this team Nothing wrong with that. When Maybin was going well (before teams figured out he only went wide with a speed rush) he was a big contributor(for those 6 or so games) Woodyard, if he has a few moves could be an inexpensive rush OLB who could really get after the QB with Snaks, Mo and Sheldon up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 That's where Woodley could be a valuable signing if Steeler's cut him. Ware could also be of value. The speed OLB is generally a glamour pass rush specialist on this team Nothing wrong with that. When Maybin was going well (before teams figured out he only went wide with a speed rush) he was a big contributor(for those 6 or so games) Woodyard, if he has a few moves could be an inexpensive rush OLB who could really get after the QB with Snaks, Mo and Sheldon up front. Nothing wrong with it, but it is a one down player. We need an every down OLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 In the future if you want to start a thread post a link to a story-not your opinion about something- twitter oh yeah the heart of journalism Great point. Links and the story help. This way we don't all have to go looking for it. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I wonder why he signed the transition tag? Seems silly to not at least see what people offer. Worst case scenario pit matches. Not a lot of risk in accepting the tag for the player because other teams can still top the deal. The team announced Monday that they have placed the transition tag on Worilds. NFL Media Inside Ian Rapoport reported Tuesday that the linebacker accepted the tag. Whereas the franchise tag for linebackers is $11.455 million, Worilds will earn $9.754 million under the lesser tag. The transition designation gives the Steelers five days to match any prospective offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Not a lot of risk in accepting the tag for the player because other teams can still top the deal. I was under the impression that was until he actually signed the tag. The transition tag is so rarely used that I don't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I think that by signing the tag (transition offer sheet) he gets the $9+M guaranteed, but he can still negotiate a long term deal anywhere. I don't think it really changes anything except that Pitt is on the hook for the $9M now as his worst case. They didn't used to be guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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