Jet Nut Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 AC is near nothing. You think it's a pain in the ass to get there from the NYMA, imagine getting there from a city where driving isn't an option. What's the nearest airport, Philadelphia over an hour drive away? And then there's that other little thing, that it's a sh*thole. With Indian casinos around it isn't worth anyone's effort. NNJ has public transportation, proximity to an int'l airport, proximity to NYC...they might as well shut down AC, and publicly acknowledge what everyone already knows: it was a stupid location from day 1 and those who "suggested" it in the first place have been dead a long time. There's an airport in AC, use it all the time to fly to Florida, Georgia, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 The Indian Casinos that are in the sticks have proximity. Foxwoods is closer to Boston and Hartford than AC is to New York City. I used to live near the Emerald Queen in Washington State it's right off I-5 and 5 minutes from Tacoma and 30 minutes from Seattle. AC is over a 2-hourdrive from manhattan without traffic and you have to pay those ridiculous tolls on the parkway that get worse every year. Property values all along the shore are suffering not just AC and it isn't just corruption - people don't want to live there. Artie Lange just slashed the asking price of his shore mansion in half to $1.9 mil and it has state of the art renos. I'm talking about casinos that have nothing to do with the NYC area and they aren't failing. There's a whole other nation outside of the metro areas you know. And why do think people are fleeing NJ? It has nothing to do with casinos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 There's an airport in AC, use it all the time to fly to Florida, Georgia, etc It goes to/from very few places (like a dozen cities total, and not one flight west of Chicago), and has few total flights, particularly compared to Newark or other real airports. AC is mostly a military airport as I understand. I read yesterday United or someone tried beefing up their presence or flights there pretty recently and it was a huge flop. They had to scrap the whole thing just 6 months later because no one in the rest of the country cared. AC is a dump. Other than the gambling, there's nothing to do there most of the year. Beaches? Use them maybe 3 months out of the year and the water's too cold until Labor Day anyway. They got by for a long time while they had the tri state monopoly going, but between Indian casinos and the internet it's no longer necessary to schlep all the way down to AC just to gamble. With the city so close by, and so accessible without driving, not to mention an NFL team in each conference there, northern NJ has a lot more to offer travelers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 It goes to/from very few places (like a dozen cities total, and not one flight west of Chicago), and has few total flights, particularly compared to Newark or other real airports. AC is mostly a military airport as I understand. I read yesterday United or someone tried beefing up their presence or flights there pretty recently and it was a huge flop. They had to scrap the whole thing just 6 months later because no one in the rest of the country cared. AC is a dump. Other than the gambling, there's nothing to do there most of the year. Beaches? Use them maybe 3 months out of the year and the water's too cold until Labor Day anyway. They got by for a long time while they had the tri state monopoly going, but between Indian casinos and the internet it's no longer necessary to schlep all the way down to AC just to gamble. With the city so close by, and so accessible without driving, not to mention an NFL team in each conference there, northern NJ has a lot more to offer travelers. Yeah but Sperm, AC has the Boneyard bar & grill. So worth paying the $30 in parkway tolls and $50 in gas to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 It goes to/from very few places (like a dozen cities total, and not one flight west of Chicago), and has few total flights, particularly compared to Newark or other real airports. AC is mostly a military airport as I understand. I read yesterday United or someone tried beefing up their presence or flights there pretty recently and it was a huge flop. They had to scrap the whole thing just 6 months later because no one in the rest of the country cared. AC is a dump. Other than the gambling, there's nothing to do there most of the year. Beaches? Use them maybe 3 months out of the year and the water's too cold until Labor Day anyway. They got by for a long time while they had the tri state monopoly going, but between Indian casinos and the internet it's no longer necessary to schlep all the way down to AC just to gamble. With the city so close by, and so accessible without driving, not to mention an NFL team in each conference there, northern NJ has a lot more to offer travelers. I agree, turn the wrong way and its dumpy. As for the airport, it's an international airport and its growing all the time. I do use it when I get a good flight, like the drive to AC better than to Newark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I agree, turn the wrong way and its dumpy. As for the airport, it's an international airport and its growing all the time. I do use it when I get a good flight, like the drive to AC better than to Newark. If you're nearby (or equidistant between the two) I don't blame you. Smaller airports are far more pleasant to deal with than the zoos that are major airports. But you're looking at it from the POV of someone who lives near AC airport, not someone who would fly into NJ from any number of airports throughout the country. I'm sure there are people who fly in & out of Westchester Airport "all the time" but anecdotal evidence of a relatively small # of individuals isn't really significant. In addition to the limited number of cities and flights, aren't there only 3 commercial airlines that fly in/out of there (and one is just to/from Toronto)? According to the airport's website it's only Spirit, Air Canada, and something called Choice Aire. I don't know how much they're growing. Like I said, United tried to "grow" there and after all the planning and (I'm sure significant) expense that went into it, they scrapped the whole thing after just 7 months. See article: United Airlines pulls out of struggling Atlantic City. IMO burn the city to the ground, leave everyone there for dead, and move onto the next area to ruin and turn into a slum/Gomorrah. It's particularly fine with me since I don't live there lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 AC is more for the shows now and trying to reevent for family type atttractions- beach- casinos forget it lost cause there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 AC is more for the shows now and trying to reevent for family type atttractions- beach- casinos forget it lost cause there. How many more people would they get performing there if the venue was a 20 minute train ride from midtown (and how much more could they charge for tickets on top of that)? Agree on the casino/gambling aspect. Just too much competition now. That business model only works in the middle of nowhere when there's a monopoly (or when the only "competition" is a 5 hour flight away). Especially when it's not beach/boardwalk weather most of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 How many more people would they get performing there if the venue was a 20 minute train ride from midtown (and how much more could they charge for tickets on top of that)? Agree on the casino/gambling aspect. Just too much competition now. That business model only works in the middle of nowhere when there's a monopoly (or when the only "competition" is a 5 hour flight away). Especially when it's not beach/boardwalk weather most of the year. They are getting all the top acts there IMO- but you are right inconvenient unless you are within a certain radius or want to stay over which is what they are banking on with these shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 It's not location, people. The casinos and the city itself are run like crap. I said it before, but only in NY and NJ can legal gambling fail. BTW, the Borgata is doing just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 If you're nearby (or equidistant between the two) I don't blame you. Smaller airports are far more pleasant to deal with than the zoos that are major airports. But you're looking at it from the POV of someone who lives near AC airport, not someone who would fly into NJ from any number of airports throughout the country. I'm sure there are people who fly in & out of Westchester Airport "all the time" but anecdotal evidence of a relatively small # of individuals isn't really significant. In addition to the limited number of cities and flights, aren't there only 3 commercial airlines that fly in/out of there (and one is just to/from Toronto)? According to the airport's website it's only Spirit, Air Canada, and something called Choice Aire. I don't know how much they're growing. Like I said, United tried to "grow" there and after all the planning and (I'm sure significant) expense that went into it, they scrapped the whole thing after just 7 months. See article: United Airlines pulls out of struggling Atlantic City. IMO burn the city to the ground, leave everyone there for dead, and move onto the next area to ruin and turn into a slum/Gomorrah. It's particularly fine with me since I don't live there lol. You're 100% right. It's a small airport with limited reach. I'm lucky in that from Manalapan NJ I'm kind of in the center point between ACIA and Newark. As you said, it's small, clean, new and empty most of the time. There's a lot of talk about expanding and adding airlines and destinations. Would be great for someone like me. Got to love options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 It's not location, people. The casinos and the city itself are run like crap. I said it before, but only in NY and NJ can legal gambling fail. BTW, the Borgata is doing just fine. No one ever said AC had a good city govt. the location does suck it's a 2.5 hour drive from Manhattan plus tolls which btw are getting really bad in NJ. The borgata and Tropicana would survive a north NJ casino opening but not much else. 4 AC casinos closed in 2014 without any competition from a legit Casino within the state. That's just a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 If you're nearby (or equidistant between the two) I don't blame you. Smaller airports are far more pleasant to deal with than the zoos that are major airports. But you're looking at it from the POV of someone who lives near AC airport, not someone who would fly into NJ from any number of airports throughout the country. I'm sure there are people who fly in & out of Westchester Airport "all the time" but anecdotal evidence of a relatively small # of individuals isn't really significant. In addition to the limited number of cities and flights, aren't there only 3 commercial airlines that fly in/out of there (and one is just to/from Toronto)? According to the airport's website it's only Spirit, Air Canada, and something called Choice Aire. I don't know how much they're growing. Like I said, United tried to "grow" there and after all the planning and (I'm sure significant) expense that went into it, they scrapped the whole thing after just 7 months. See article: United Airlines pulls out of struggling Atlantic City. IMO burn the city to the ground, leave everyone there for dead, and move onto the next area to ruin and turn into a slum/Gomorrah. It's particularly fine with me since I don't live there lol. I used to use Trenton Airport all the time but Frontier, it's only airline, shut down the route I used hence I now only use bigger and crappier Laguardia. Barely anybody uses AC other than Canadiens who view the jersey shore as their version of Florida and that was the old days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 No one ever said AC had a good city govt. the location does suck it's a 2.5 hour drive from Manhattan plus tolls which btw are getting really bad in NJ. The borgata and Tropicana would survive a north NJ casino opening but not much else. 4 AC casinos closed in 2014 without any competition from a legit Casino within the state. That's just a fact. I agree. I just think it's a case of running sh*tty casinos in a sh*tty city. I think the Indian and racetrack casinos are just an excuse. The entertainment dollar has always had vast amounts of competition. I think the chickens finally cane home to roost. Question, hasn't Vegas always been in the middle of nowhere? Isn't LA 4 or 5 hours away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I agree. I just think it's a case of running sh*tty casinos in a sh*tty city. I think the Indian and racetrack casinos are just an excuse. The entertainment dollar has always had vast amounts of competition. I think the chickens finally cane home to roost. Question, hasn't Vegas always been in the middle of nowhere? Isn't LA 4 or 5 hours away? Vegas branding is much better, the city knows what it is and advertises it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I used to use Trenton Airport all the time but Frontier, it's only airline, shut down the route I used hence I now only use bigger and crappier Laguardia. Barely anybody uses AC other than Canadiens who view the jersey shore as their version of Florida and that was the old days. Like I said to the Nut, flying out of a small airport is infinitely more pleasant. That doesn't mean there's demand to fly there, though, which is why they're small/not-busy airports in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 <---Just wants to be able to play poker within a reasonable driving distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 There will never be a pro sports franchise in Vegas. Update on NHL expansion application process NEW YORK – The National Hockey League today released the following update relative to the NHL expansion application process: "As previously announced, NHL expansion applications were made available to all potentially interested applicants on July 6. Since that date, we have received requests from, and responded by sending applications to, 16 separate groups/individuals. "The deadline for filing an application and proceeding in the NHL expansion process was last night. We can confirm that we have received two applications: one from Bill Foley for a franchise in Las Vegas, Nevada, and one from Quebecor for a franchise in Quebec City, Quebec. "Our purpose, in initiating the expansion process in the manner we did, was not only to explore the possibility of admitting new members to the NHL but also, at the outset, to set realistic guideposts to distinguish between bona fide expressions of interest (i.e., those which have at least substantial ownership capabilities and an arena or the realistic possibility of an arena) from those indications of potential interest which were, at best, merely hopes or aspirations. Apparently, only Mr. Foley and Quebecor have the confidence in their ability to secure an arena and suitable ownership capability to move forward with this process. "We now intend to focus exclusively on the two expansion applications that have been submitted in accordance with the previously announced process. The process we have outlined for qualified applicants includes at least two more stages of documentation submission. We will provide no further updates until there is something substantive to announce." http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=775295&cmpid=nhl-twt Scott Burnside of ESPN reports that Foley’s application was submitted to the NHL under the name Black Knight Sports and Entertainment LLC, would do little to disprove the notion that this team will be called the Black Knights. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...225532116.html I think Vegas and Quebec are locks to be granted expansion teams. Quebec finished building a brand new arena in the last 2 weels. Vegas has a new arena currently under construction that should be completed this fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 "Hey guys, I know we're all in heaven here at the Rhino, but the Coyotes are in town and we got tickets so let's wrap this up." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 They have arenas and no teams, meanwhile Brooklyn has a team and obstructed view from one goal and no seats at the other. Genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 They have arenas and no teams, meanwhile Brooklyn has a team and obstructed view from one goal and no seats at the other. Genius. The sports world is full of things like this. From cities dying for a franchise to forcing teams in sh*tty markets to stay to team names that make no sense (I'm looking at you, City of Los Angeles.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 The sports world is full of things like this. From cities dying for a franchise to forcing teams in sh*tty markets to stay to team names that make no sense (I'm looking at you, City of Los Angeles.) Is there any doubt if Buffalo moved the franchise there that they'd still retain the Bills name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I would really like the Caesars they are proposing in Central Valley NY. That's 20 minutes away from me. It would be awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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