TuscanyTile2 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Manning v Brady. Again. This sh*t is getting boring. Go NFC. This league. This damn league. They ruined one of the best sports every conceived, changing so many rules over time to just completely bias everything to the point where having any chance at sustained success is entirely dependent on finding an elite player at one position. It's created an incredibly boring league that I am legitimately starting to lose interest in. Agreed. It's basically all about 1 position these days. And teams just throw nearly every down now. RBs used to be high draft picks. Now they're an afterthought and almost completely interchangeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 The running game is becoming obsolete. You cant even look at a WR without the fear of being called for illegal contact. The replays take forever to decipher. The favoritism by refs to certain teams is embarrassing. It just seems to be getting more and more like a video game. Addition: Oh yea and the announcers SUCK. The running game has become obsolete because most good teams have figured out passing is better. There's little reason to run when the game is close let along losing. Establishing the run was more so teams being stupid than playing good football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Agreed. It's basically all about 1 position these days. And teams just throw nearly every down now. RBs used to be high draft picks. Now they're an afterthought and almost completely interchangeable. That's one of the crazier parts of how offenses have evolved under the new rules. Used to be using money or a high pick on an elite running back was a no-brainer if you wanted to compete for a Super Bowl. Now if that's even suggested, the immediate response is 'why on earth would you do that?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I am no fan of kubiak at all as a coach i'll tell you that much. The pats will kill the broncos. Right now the broncos are KC version 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77DRAFT Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Let's be real here, as a Pats hater, there was no chance in hell that the Patriots would have lost at home. Having to win a playoff game on the road changes everything. Pats haven't won a road playoff game in 9 years. Payton has to do some holistic healing & get that snap back in his arm. It will be much easier playing the Pats if Collins & Mayo are out it just leaves Hightower. Steelers LBs played out of their mind today. They have a lot more speed on D than the Patriots. Force Butler to have to cover Thomas, Pats have no answer for Sanders. If refs call Pats Oline for a few obvious holds, Broncos can beat them. Nine years w/o a road playoff victory is a long time, plus it is very hard to beat the Broncos at Milehigh this time of year, they can't drop another 50 passes next week, but I agree they should p;ull off a sweet victory at home, the Broncos play very smart football, unlike the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I don't know if it can. The league is sooooo top heavy now, only a very small handful of good teams with a great quarterback. The majority of games on Sunday are snoozefests. And it certainly doesn't seem like the high school and college systems are going to just magically start producing again. Yeah, agreed. Overall quality of the game has gotten way worse. To your last point, there does seem to some turnover happening now though with Cam, Wilson, Winston, Luck, maybe Bortles and Carr. Some already have proven, and all are capable of making it bearable. Still, I watched less football this year than I ever have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 That's one of the crazier parts of how offenses have evolved under the new rules. Used to be using money or a high pick on an elite running back was a no-brainer if you wanted to compete for a Super Bowl. Now if that's even suggested, the immediate response is 'why on earth would you do that?' The Vikings and Rams probably had the top 2 RBs. One made the playoffs and lost in the 1st round. The other team didn't make it. Meanwhile, the top QBs are basically all making noise. Brady, Peyton, Cam, even Rodgers and Russell Wilson got close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Let's be real here, as a Pats hater, there was no chance in hell that the Patriots would have lost at home. Having to win a playoff game on the road changes everything. Pats haven't won a road playoff game in 9 years. Payton has to do some holistic healing & get that snap back in his arm. It will be much easier playing the Pats if Collins & Mayo are out it just leaves Hightower. Steelers LBs played out of their mind today. They have a lot more speed on D than the Patriots. Force Butler to have to cover Thomas, Pats have no answer for Sanders. If refs call Pats Oline for a few obvious holds, Broncos can beat them. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Yeah, agreed. Overall quality of the game has gotten way worse. To your last point, there does seem to some turnover happening now though with Cam, Wilson, Winston, Luck, maybe Bortles and Carr. Some already have proven, and all are capable of making it bearable. Still, I watched less football this year than I ever have. I certainly hope so. This was a discussion that @bitonti and I used to have years ago when the concussion stuff started breaking. The NFL is entirely dependent on parents letting their kids play football. My fear is that we're starting to see the beginnings of the talent pool winnowing down while at the same time the league has made it harder to become a perennial contender. Two separate problems kind of compounding each other, I guess. Certainly a chance I'm overreacting, but I just can't for the life of me recall ever watching a NFL season that was this bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I certainly hope so. This was a discussion that @bitonti and I used to have years ago when the concussion stuff started breaking. The NFL is entirely dependent on parents letting their kids play football. My fear is that we're starting to see the beginnings of the talent pool winnowing down while at the same time the league has made it harder to become a perennial contender. Two separate problems kind of compounding each other, I guess. Certainly a chance I'm overreacting, but I just can't for the life of me recall ever watching a NFL season that was this bad. Soon enough the NFL might get banned anyway for being too dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Soon enough the NFL might get banned anyway for being too dangerous. banned by who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I don't know if it can. The league is sooooo top heavy now, only a very small handful of good teams with a great quarterback. The majority of games on Sunday are snoozefests. And it certainly doesn't seem like the high school and college systems are going to just magically start producing again. Problem is marketing. These idiots think 'points' are what draws the average fan to watch. But the ideology of football purists, who have developed and made this game so great over the decades, is being swept under the table for a fast quick thrill. Gone are the intimidating defenses of the past, the truly great running backs, the dominant offensive line and defensive lines. It's throw throw throw throw throw to these freakish size WR's. They are a total mismatch to the DB's who cant even run near them because the new rules handicap their cover skills. And the QB's, like you point out, SUCK. They are forcing a type of game on us with these inept QB's that make the games so futile and boring. And this hhas trickled down throughout the college game so now the players that enter the league are just not trained to block, tackle, play in a pro style offence. So many QB's just can't live up to the game the decision makers are trying to market. Can you imagine the numbers what QB's like Marino, Namath, Unitas, Montana etc etc would put up under these parameters. Football has lost its essence, its soul, its strategy...its akin to screwing up baseball with the stupid DH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 banned by who? By law (by the government). You never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Yeah, agreed. Overall quality of the game has gotten way worse. To your last point, there does seem to some turnover happening now though with Cam, Wilson, Winston, Luck, maybe Bortles and Carr. Some already have proven, and all are capable of making it bearable. Still, I watched less football this year than I ever have. The quality is no different than it was 20 years ago...the athletes are probably even better. The people complaining about "quality" dont seem to like the sport that much tbh. The NFL had no choice but to slowly legislate the head shots out of the game. Even then, I think more people saw the Vacation movie twice in theaters than they did Concussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 By law (by the government). You never know. Yeah that's not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I certainly hope so. This was a discussion that @bitonti and I used to have years ago when the concussion stuff started breaking. The NFL is entirely dependent on parents letting their kids play football. My fear is that we're starting to see the beginnings of the talent pool winnowing down while at the same time the league has made it harder to become a perennial contender. Two separate problems kind of compounding each other, I guess. Certainly a chance I'm overreacting, but I just can't for the life of me recall ever watching a NFL season that was this bad. Definitely a legitimate threat worth noting. Now that you bring it up, most of these guys are likely capable of playing other sports as well. Don't quote me on this because I'm not a huge basketball guy, but I think I heard the salary cap is going up somewhat drastically soon. Regardless with more time devotion to other sports and a higher opportunity cost to play a sport such as basketball or baseball that pays out waaaaaay more on average, that threat may be realized in the not so distant future. Damn. Really hope that does not happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 It's all numbers and odds. When defenders were actually allowed to defend the risk of a pass was much higher. It made sense to try and control the game on the ground. Now you can't touch a receiver you can't touch a QB, and if you do you better be gentle. It's so much easier to pass that the risk/reward of a pass makes a hell of a lot more sense Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Problem is marketing. These idiots think 'points' are what draws the average fan to watch. But the ideology of football purists, who have developed and made this game so great over the decades, are being swept under the table for a fast quick thrill. Gone are the intimidating defenses of the past, the truly great running backs, the dominant offensive line and defensive lines. It's throw throw throw throw throw to these freakish size WR's. They are a total mismatch to the DB's who cant even run near them because the new rules handicap their cover skills. And the QB's, like you point out, SUCK. They are forcing a type of game on us with these inept QB's that make the games so futile and boring. And this hhas trickled down throughout the college game so now the players that enter the league are just not trained to block, tackle, play in a pro style offence. So many QB's just can't live up to the game the decision makers are trying to market. Can you imagine the numbers what QB's like Marino, Namath, Unitas, Montana etc etc would put up under these parameters. Football has lost its essence, its soul, its strategy...its akin to screwing up baseball with the stupid DH. It's like that movie Killing Them Softly. Where all Brad Pitt wants to do is smoke cigarettes and talk about who they're killing next, but instead he's forced to deal with the corporate model and expense reports. That's what NFL fans over the age of 30 are right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 The quality is no different than it was 20 years ago...the athletes are probably even better. The people complaining about "quality" dont seem to like the sport that much tbh. The NFL had no choice but to slowly legislate the head shots out of the game. Even then, I think more people saw the Vacation movie twice in theaters than they did Concussion. I think if you ask most people about the effect of the new CBA, they'd disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Definitely a legitimate threat worth noting. Now that you bring it up, most of these guys are likely capable of playing other sports as well. Don't quote me on this because I'm not a huge basketball guy, but I think I heard the salary cap is going up somewhat drastically soon. Regardless with more time devotion to other sports and a higher opportunity cost to play a sport such as basketball or baseball that pays out waaaaaay more on average, that threat may be realized in the not so distant future. Damn. Really hope that does not happen. Its also much more difficult to make the MLB or NBA. NFL ratings continue to rise as does participation in the states that have always provided the talent pool. Kids in New York playing quidditch instead of football will fire up the twitter echo chamber, but in reality has no impact on the game overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Definitely a legitimate threat worth noting. Now that you bring it up, most of these guys are likely capable of playing other sports as well. Don't quote me on this because I'm not a huge basketball guy, but I think I heard the salary cap is going up somewhat drastically soon. Regardless with more time devotion to other sports and a higher opportunity cost to play a sport such as basketball or baseball that pays out waaaaaay more on average, that threat may be realized in the not so distant future. Damn. Really hope that does not happen. It's exactly what happened to the heavyweight division in boxing. You're a genetic freak athlete. Why the hell would you go and get your brains beat in for a living and deal with an insanely corrupt system when you can just go make $100 million playing basketball? And more importantly, as a kid, why would your parents put you into the former if the latter is an option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 The running game has become obsolete because most good teams have figured out passing is better. There's little reason to run when the game is close let along losing. Establishing the run was more so teams being stupid than playing good football. That's just totally uniformed. You need to go back and study the history of Pro Football. the game was designed to be a blend of run and pass, not a top heavy passing exhibition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I think if you ask most people about the effect of the new CBA, they'd disagree. That was the players own fault. I wish they practiced more. But the quality of the athlete has only improved. Ryan Shazier is 230lbs and runs in the 4.3's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 That's just totally uniformed. You need to go back and study the history of Pro Football. the game was designed to be a blend of run and pass, not a top heavy passing exhibition. The game was designed for gambling. You sound like the guy arguing the importance of RBI's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 That was the players own fault. I wish they practiced more. But the quality of the athlete has only improved. Ryan Shazier is 230lbs and runs in the 4.3's Quality of the athlete was not mentioned in my post, quality of the game itself was. Athletes today are undoubted more talented than they were 20 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I agree, what a great Super Bowl. Pats and the Panthers. It will be nice watching Cam flip those Super Bowl Footballs to little kids during big games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Quality of the athlete was not mentioned in my post, quality of the game itself was. Athletes today are undoubted more talented than they were 20 years ago So would you eliminate the new safety rules and just have at it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 The best way for Denver to win this game it to run the football and keep Brady and Company off the field. I mean let's face it, the Manning they are going to get is nowhere even remotely close to the Manning they got in the past. If he had any fastball left they would blown out the Steelers because their secondary is brutal. New England is 0-3 against Denver in the post season and 2-6 in the regular season in Denver during the Brady era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 The game was designed for gambling. You sound like the guy arguing the importance of RBI's. Nonsense. The game is designed for what they 'think' is 'action', when in reality they have diluted the strategy and soul of the game. You sound like a guy who saw his first game on a PS2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 It will be nice watching Cam flip those Super Bowl Footballs to little kids during big games. ...and Skip Bayless' outrage to said flipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Nonsense. The game is designed for what they 'think' is 'action', when in reality they have diluted the strategy and soul of the game. You sound like a guy who saw his first game on a PS2. A slot receiver matched up on a slow linebacker is always better than running into the line of scrimmage with 300lb guys who can run like RB's of the 80's and 90's could. The game has changed because the athletes have, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 The NFL won't be banned, but when the talent pool depletes as parents tell their kids to find another sport, the league will crash hard. It's popularity is dependent on the best athletes in the country playing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 The NFL won't be banned, but when the talent pool depletes as parents tell their kids to find another sport, the league will crash hard. It's popularity is dependent on the best athletes in the country playing it. The talent pool continues to get stronger in the south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Broncos will win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I am no fan of kubiak at all as a coach i'll tell you that much. The pats will kill the broncos. Right now the broncos are KC version 2.0 The Pats look unstoppable. The Panthers however just may beat them at their own game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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