Kingmaker Mafia - Game Thread

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Just now, gEYno said:

I've consistently said "scum or terrible play."  Your lady boner for me is intriguing.

I don't find you even remotely attractive. 

[ZachEY]

Also, NYN, if I was scum, we just got the doctor out, you think it would be in my best interest to lead the charge on another person?  I could easily sit back and laugh with my assassin mates about the stupidity of DPR and not make it public.

[ZachEY]

3 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

I don't find you even remotely attractive. 

Yet, you seem so bothered.

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1 minute ago, gEYno said:

I've consistently said "scum or terrible play."  Your lady boner for me is intriguing.

Oh and you also said that DPR is the scummiest player in the game. Which is funny considering towards end day your response to being asked about your reads was.... dunno. But sure, keep flapping your scum mouth.

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1 minute ago, gEYno said:

Also, NYN, if I was scum, we just got the doctor out, you think it would be in my best interest to lead the charge on another person?  I could easily sit back and laugh with my assassin mates about the stupidity of DPR and not make it public.

Erm. Yes?  lol   stupid question.

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1 minute ago, gEYno said:

Yet, you seem so bothered.

Well what can I say? I don't do a jig when we lose the doc. I guess it's a cultural thing.

[DPR]

2 minutes ago, gEYno said:

So, in the scenario you detailed, at least we'd have 2 people and one of them would be guaranteed scum.  The way you did it, we just lost the doctor and didn't get any scum at all.  Again, you either played this as poorly as possible, or you're scum, who, by the way, played it pretty poorly too, but you got lucky people piled on the doctor.  He never should have claimed early, as things could have changed, that would have just been a waste.

I didn't think I needed to spell out in more detail how we'd use the math... Seems like plenty of people understood.  You just didn't want to.  Instead, you decided to play this game like any other, ignoring how it's different, and to diffuse responsibility so you could step back and say it wasn't your fault, as you are doing now.  The fact that you're not even willing to admit you may have made a mistake is pretty "assassinish" too.

I really don't care what you think "feels" assassinish, you just killed the doctor without giving him a final chance to save himself.  Because, again, scum, or terrible play.

Your new name is brEYno.

Please, for those of us who struggle, go over the part again where I detailed how "we'd have 2 people and one of them would be guaranteed scum". 

We lost the doc because that player chose not to claim. That's on him.

And you do need to spell out how we'd use the math - because unless you know how many assassins there are, the math is extremely speculative, especially on day 1.

I didn't see where anyone else understood. I did see where no one else understood.

You're trying to paint a scenario and you're just rusty. It's okay - you don't have to be embarrassed - just give everything an extra read and it'll all come back to you.

[ZachEY]

5 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

Well what can I say? I don't do a jig when we lose the doc. I guess it's a cultural thing.

Act like you weren't bothered before the doc was gone...

[DPR]

1 hour ago, gEYno said:

Agreed.

 

1 hour ago, gEYno said:

DPR - "WELL, IT WASNT MY FAULT... I WENT WITH THE MAJORITY."

LOL.  DPR is scum or the worst player.

 

58 minutes ago, gEYno said:

So, can the new king just kill DPR first tomorrow, or do we need to go through this exercise again?  The case against him should be self-explanatory at this point.

 

53 minutes ago, gEYno said:

Yawn.

Easily mitigated by what should have happened:

DPR: "Calder, I'm about to vote for you, do you have anything to claim?"

 

52 minutes ago, gEYno said:

Not mad.  Just have some actual, meaningful evidence.

Question: Why didn't you ask Calder if he had anything to claim before you voted for him?

 

51 minutes ago, gEYno said:

 

As I said, scum or terrible play.

 

50 minutes ago, gEYno said:

no words?  How about 3 letters? 

 

48 minutes ago, gEYno said:

Why are you mad at me?  I didn't just kill the doctor without asking for a claim...

 

 

40 minutes ago, gEYno said:

My main observation is that the king was the scummiest player in the game thus far.

This explanation falls short.  It may be Calder's responsibility, but you, as the sole decision maker, could easily have offered him one last chance before... There was time to at least try.

 

11 minutes ago, gEYno said:

So, in the scenario you detailed, at least we'd have 2 people and one of them would be guaranteed scum.  The way you did it, we just lost the doctor and didn't get any scum at all.  Again, you either played this as poorly as possible, or you're scum, who, by the way, played it pretty poorly too, but you got lucky people piled on the doctor.  He never should have claimed early, as things could have changed, that would have just been a waste.

I didn't think I needed to spell out in more detail how we'd use the math... Seems like plenty of people understood.  You just didn't want to.  Instead, you decided to play this game like any other, ignoring how it's different, and to diffuse responsibility so you could step back and say it wasn't your fault, as you are doing now.  The fact that you're not even willing to admit you may have made a mistake is pretty "assassinish" too.

I really don't care what you think "feels" assassinish, you just killed the doctor without giving him a final chance to save himself.  Because, again, scum, or terrible play.

 

7 minutes ago, gEYno said:

I've consistently said "scum or terrible play."  Your lady boner for me is intriguing.

 

6 minutes ago, gEYno said:

Also, NYN, if I was scum, we just got the doctor out, you think it would be in my best interest to lead the charge on another person?  I could easily sit back and laugh with my assassin mates about the stupidity of DPR and not make it public.

 

5 minutes ago, gEYno said:

Yet, you seem so bothered.

13 posts after a lynch is almost Ape-level bad. And unless I'm mistaken, 14 was just posted.

Absolutely terrible.

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3 minutes ago, gEYno said:

Act like you weren't bothered before the doc was gone...

I thought we were lynching scum, dickwad. 

 

I'm done talking to you for today. Run along to your QT.

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1 minute ago, D P R said:

13 posts after a lynch is almost Ape-level bad. And unless I'm mistaken, 14 was just posted.

Absolutely terrible.

He's excited he actually has something to comment on. His tactic topic was getting stale.

[ZachEY]

6 minutes ago, D P R said:

Your new name is brEYno.

Please, for those of us who struggle, go over the part again where I detailed how "we'd have 2 people and one of them would be guaranteed scum". 

We lost the doc because that player chose not to claim. That's on him.

And you do need to spell out how we'd use the math - because unless you know how many assassins there are, the math is extremely speculative, especially on day 1.

I didn't see where anyone else understood. I did see where no one else understood.

You're trying to paint a scenario and you're just rusty. It's okay - you don't have to be embarrassed - just give everything an extra read and it'll all come back to you.

If a counter claim came to Calder, we'd have more information.  Valuable information.  A 1 to 1 trade at worst.

I spelled out exactly why knowing the number of assassins wasn't critical.  4 is what I based my math on, one more helps town math, 1 less hurts town math, but gives town a huge mathematical advantage from go that's nullified.

AVM and JIF off memory understood.

I totally get this "rusty" angle.  If you discredit me, people won't listen, and you can escape.  It's a nice try.

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Apparently not stale enough....

[ZachEY]

6 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

I thought we were lynching scum, dickwad. 

 

I'm done talking to you for today. Run along to your QT.

You have an awesome personality.

[DPR]

1 minute ago, gEYno said:

If a counter claim came to Calder, we'd have more information.  Valuable information.  A 1 to 1 trade at worst.

I spelled out exactly why knowing the number of assassins wasn't critical.  4 is what I based my math on, one more helps town math, 1 less hurts town math, but gives town a huge mathematical advantage from go that's nullified.

AVM and JIF off memory understood.

I totally get this "rusty" angle.  If you discredit me, people won't listen, and you can escape.  It's a nice try.

lol, last game we had 4 doc counter claims to protect the role. Before that we had a 100% scum guarantee - you would have loved that one because it was a statistic.

Bad math gets the town killed. You trying to convince the town that your statistics are correct has as much chance of hurting as it does as helping. We know this because if statistics worked in mafia, it would be boring and no one would have played it after the game was broken years ago. 

JiF siad he did, then he said he didn't like that part, then he watched some porn and now he's riding his trike. He didn't even read the thread. Good luck with that. I didn't see where AVM said he agreed with your statistical-takeover plan.

You discredit yourself.

 

 

[ZachEY]

4 minutes ago, D P R said:

lol, last game we had 4 doc counter claims to protect the role. Before that we had a 100% scum guarantee - you would have loved that one because it was a statistic.

Bad math gets the town killed. You trying to convince the town that your statistics are correct has as much chance of hurting as it does as helping. We know this because if statistics worked in mafia, it would be boring and no one would have played it after the game was broken years ago. 

JiF siad he did, then he said he didn't like that part, then he watched some porn and now he's riding his trike. He didn't even read the thread. Good luck with that. I didn't see where AVM said he agreed with your statistical-takeover plan.

You discredit yourself.

 

 

I'm not trying to convince anyone the math is correct.  I offered a most likely, then a one more, and one less and what they mean.

[Pac]

1 hour ago, Verbal said:

Final Vote Count

Calder (1) - DPR

 

The King made his decision, and announced Calder to be executed.  The villagers all crowded around Calder and strung him up to die.  Nobody noticed the shiny suit of armor in the corner with Calder's name on it.

 

Calder, Knight, has been lynched.  He was town.

 

It is now night.  This phase will end tomorrow at noon EST, or when I have all night actions and am online to end the phase.

yeah great idea to go with vote leader.

seriously worst king ever.

Calder was pretty clearly town.

[The Crusher]

59 minutes ago, D P R said:

As you've pointed out, there is very little meaningful evidence available on the first day. Hence the "go with the consensus" thing, not because we actually expect to hit scum, but because we do get to see who votes where, who shifts around, and the rest of it. Which we do have... For instance, you're on record for spending your day criticizing the king instead of making observations, and then crying about it.

It's the player's responsibility to claim if they have role, as always. Calder knows that, just like he knew he was the lynch-lead and that we had a deadline coming up. I have no idea why he didn't claim.

ok.  but the King needs to be in control.    Take responsibility be accountable.  At this point cant think of much of a reason to not lop your head of in the square and let the dogs eat your eyeballs.
 

[Pac]

Just now, The Crusher said:

ok.  but the King needs to be in control.    Take responsibility be accountable.  At this point cant think of much of a reason to not lop your head of in the square and let the dogs eat your eyeballs.
 

He really was an awful king.  give me that role.  I'll show you how to handle this sh-t.

[The Crusher]

42 minutes ago, D P R said:

And that, m'dear, is why I don't DM anymore. 

I think Nolder started that nonsense.  This I agree with. Fine, you can have your head back.

[The Crusher]

35 minutes ago, gEYno said:

So, in the scenario you detailed, at least we'd have 2 people and one of them would be guaranteed scum.  The way you did it, we just lost the doctor and didn't get any scum at all.  Again, you either played this as poorly as possible, or you're scum, who, by the way, played it pretty poorly too, but you got lucky people piled on the doctor.  He never should have claimed early, as things could have changed, that would have just been a waste.

I didn't think I needed to spell out in more detail how we'd use the math... Seems like plenty of people understood.  You just didn't want to.  Instead, you decided to play this game like any other, ignoring how it's different, and to diffuse responsibility so you could step back and say it wasn't your fault, as you are doing now.  The fact that you're not even willing to admit you may have made a mistake is pretty "assassinish" too.

I really don't care what you think "feels" assassinish, you just killed the doctor without giving him a final chance to save himself.  Because, again, scum, or terrible play.

No different than a blind hammer in a regular game for the most part.

[The Crusher]

32 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

I don't find you even remotely attractive. 

You ever see him?  Dude is like the definition of tall dark and handsome.  LOL

[CTM]

5 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

I mean sure, you've said this a couple of times now. But you're still sitting pretty on Lee (assuming 80's VC is accurate... which is a pretty big assumption lol). If you're SO dedicated to this... i'll loosely call it a plan.... how about you start with following on it yourself.? MIGHT make you seem more resolved, but no promises  xD

leelou is scum 

[The Crusher]

9 minutes ago, Pac said:

He really was an awful king.  give me that role.  I'll show you how to handle this sh-t.

If I was the kingmaker you would be on my short list. Im not. So GFY

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5 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

You ever see him?  Dude is like the definition of tall dark and handsome.  LOL

Looks aren't everything

[CTM]

4 hours ago, gEYno said:

You've played this game a lot.  What percentage of the time have you been right about a player day one?

simple.. if you vote/fos everyone on day 1 , you catch 100% of scum on day 1

the incorrect votes/fos were just reaction tests 

 

[AVM]

I agreed, and still do, that lynching the leading vote getter at 3 votes was meh...at that point I would rather DPR just pick.  However...Calder was at 5 (6 if you count DPR), and I would have made a 7th if we had gone closer to the deadline.

And either way...whether 6/7 votes or DPR picked Calder, and Calder/Hallia were the biggest thing going on at the time.  The numbers thing doesn't bother me in and of itself...didn't Brett go on a spell when he did that for a while?  Doesn't matter, really.

I do get the overall general idea that killing a leading train at 3 votes doesn't do much...but I never really thought that's how this was going in the first place.  Hence the back and forth with EY a couple of times.  We can discuss the merits of people jumping on Calder (and again, that would have included me) I suppose...but with a deadline coming up we were always going to get at least 6 votes on someone.  We may have a lot of inactives but the active count is up that high, at least.

[The Crusher]

Just now, Nynaeve said:

Looks aren't everything

Well obviously.  He is a good dude. One of my favorites since the JI days. Part of the Anti Chad Militia. LOL

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5 minutes ago, CTM said:

leelou is scum 

Okay. Why? And why weren't you pushing her as a lynch option D1? You spent more time advocating an inactive lynch without even voting there yourself. 

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2 minutes ago, AVM said:

I agreed, and still do, that lynching the leading vote getter at 3 votes was meh...at that point I would rather DPR just pick.  However...Calder was at 5 (6 if you count DPR), and I would have made a 7th if we had gone closer to the deadline.

I would have moved back too closer to deadline prolly

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3 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Well obviously.  He is a good dude. One of my favorites since the JI days. Part of the Anti Chad Militia. LOL

I'll take your word for it

[JustInFudge]

1 hour ago, Verbal said:

Final Vote Count

Calder (1) - DPR

 

The King made his decision, and announced Calder to be executed.  The villagers all crowded around Calder and strung him up to die.  Nobody noticed the shiny suit of armor in the corner with Calder's name on it.

 

Calder, Knight, has been lynched.  He was town.

 

It is now night.  This phase will end tomorrow at noon EST, or when I have all night actions and am online to end the phase.

So the consensus, lynched the Doc before he could tell us he even tell us he was the Doc?

Man, guys, great D1 strategy.  Really well thought out.  Kudos to 80 and DPR for such a brilliant plan.  So glad we took the town consensus.  So much information.  Really advanced the game.  What a productive day!  Cant wait for tomorrow!

 

[JustInFudge]

1 hour ago, D P R said:

If you want to quantify a vote count as the only official info, you can, but that's what I mean when I say that this game is the same as mafia with more distractions. What we do have is all of the day 1 commenting and movement along with some votes. That's enough to to start casing for anyone who wants to read thru.

The next king may choose to say "I'll only vote if we get a majority. Otherwise it's no information for the town." But I wanted the first day to play out, see what folks suggested and get a feel for who's playing and who's not.

OMG stfu.  If it was regular old mafia, it would be a regular old mafia game and not some fancy game we've never played before called Kingmaker. 

 

[JustInFudge]

1 hour ago, The Crusher said:

He voted the consensus I believe. Its a fine lynch but moving forward I think the Kings need to put it out there and work for info a little more by providing updated reads and the such.

There was nothing fine about that lynch.  It was tard level. 

[JustInFudge]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Are you f*cking kidding me Calder?  You were the Doc and didn't claim when you were the leading vote-getter?  Unless you were prevented from revealing by that bastard Verbal that was awful, awful play.  Wtf.

STFU.  You dont get to have mock outrage.  This was your idea.