Some real facts about the coaches and the situation

[phill1c]

Just now, gEYno said:

Good one!

Thanks! No disrespect intended...;-)

[jfmckenna]

Why? Because your mom's giving blowjobs for hot wings in it?

Yikes.

Blow jobs and hot wings?

Not a good combination.

[greenwichjetfan]

7 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Again I am perfectly convinced that the fanbase is the reason why this team wont win ANYTHING.

[UnitedWhofans]

3 minutes ago, gEYno said:

Well, since the fanbase won't change, why don't you heed your own advice?

Rather than ruining the game thread each week, and then making other threads telling people how to be fans?

The fanbase can change. Because people have the power to change themselves.

[j4jets]

1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said:

1. This was the first game in the Todd Bowles era that he was properly blown out in. Rex had a few of these games in his first season. Bowles hasn't. Oakland doesnt count because they came back to within one score

Wrong

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2. This was the first game of the Todd Bowles era that the offense scored fewer than 17 points. That tells you how good a coordinator Chan Gailey has been

Not hating on Gailey.

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3. The defense gave up 10 points. That should be good enough to win in this NFL

Any day.

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4. This team is mediocre and was always going to be mediocre. 7 wins was most people's expectations and I think they are headed for that.

Wrong. Mediocre teams don't essentially borrow a ton of cap from future cap years to be mediocre. This team is mediocre because our HC doesn't have balls and our QB is the worst starter in the league (a league that includes bunch of rookies and 3rd stringers starting). 

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5. Ryan Fitzpatrick is here for one year. Macc was smart to sign him for only one year, Especially when fans and media were clamoring for him.

Worst decision of Macc's short tenure. 

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6. Darron Lee, Robby Anderson, Burris, and after the fumble, Jalin Marshall played ok. Rookies playing well is very important so we can keep getting young talent in.

Macc is forgiven any blame for the year. He has done very well for the team in general. 

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7. You cant keep firing coaches after 2 years. Lack of continuity leads to mediocrity.

True. Unless you absolutely have to make the switch. Its not time to switch from Bowles, but he had several opportunities to make a switch yesterday. He needs to make it clear that Fitz is no longer the unquestioned starter. If he backs up Fitz by saying "he's the starter and nothing has changed", then change is what we will demand. If we are a "7 win team", why bother with Fitz? 

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Also patience with young players is needed so that we can kick the cycle of mediocrity.

Hypocrisy at its best. 

[UnitedWhofans]

j4jets

 

Wrong. Mediocre teams don't essentially borrow a ton of cap from future cap years to be mediocre. This team is mediocre because our HC doesn't have balls and our QB is the worst starter in the league (a league that includes bunch of rookies and 3rd stringers starting). 

You are wrong. Mediocre teaams use future cap to keep fans happy and avoid a rebuild which fans hate.

[j4jets]

1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said:

j4jets

 

Wrong. Mediocre teams don't essentially borrow a ton of cap from future cap years to be mediocre. This team is mediocre because our HC doesn't have balls and our QB is the worst starter in the league (a league that includes bunch of rookies and 3rd stringers starting). 

You are wrong. Mediocre teaams use future cap to keep fans happy and avoid a rebuild which fans hate.

Couldn't be any more wrong but continue to believe so. 

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, j4jets said:

Couldn't be any more wrong but continue to believe so. 

I disagree. 

[Pcola]

35 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

You think this fanbase has the patience for a rebuild. It's the core reason why this team is stuck in mediocrity. Its why Maccagnan traded for Brandon Marshall and paid for Fitzpatrick.

Nobody in NY has the patience for a proper rebuild.

There is no ownership or fan base that will settle for a rebuild.  Not when Wentz is 3-0 and lighting up the league for a team that was supposed to lose to Cleveland week one.

The new trend is going to be teams giving up years of drafts to pick the next Wentz. But of course, these will all fail and get a lot of people fired.

[ZachEY]

22 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

The fanbase can change. Because people have the power to change themselves.

It's not working.  Stop ruining the board/game thread.

[UnitedWhofans]

2 minutes ago, Pcola said:

There is no ownership or fan base that will settle for a rebuild.  Not when Wentz is 3-0 and lighting up the league for a team that was supposed to lose to Cleveland week one.

The new trend is going to be teams giving up years of drafts to pick the next Wentz. But of course, these will all fail and get a lot of people fired.

Bingo

[ZachEY]

20 minutes ago, Pcola said:

There is no ownership or fan base that will settle for a rebuild.  Not when Wentz is 3-0 and lighting up the league for a team that was supposed to lose to Cleveland week one.

The new trend is going to be teams giving up years of drafts to pick the next Wentz. But of course, these will all fail and get a lot of people fired.

So will not having a QB.  How long do you think our staff lasts if Hackenberg does exactly what Hackenberg was always going to do and they don't have another option?

[UnitedWhofans]

5 minutes ago, gEYno said:

So will not having a QB.  How long do you think our staff lasts if Hackenberg does exactly what Hackenberg was always going to do and they don't have another option?

There will always be another option. The Ron Wolf method

[ZachEY]

38 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

There will always be another option. The Ron Wolf method

I'm assuming you mean the method wherein you draft a QB each draft until you find one?

2016 - Hackenberg

2015 - Petty

2014 - Boyd

2013 - Smith

2012 - None

2011 - McElroy

2010 - None (only 4 picks)

2009 - Sanchez

2008 - Ainge

2007 - None (only 4 picks)

2006 - Clemens

We've tried, passing on a QB only 3 times in the past decade+, and only once when we had close to a full compliment of picks.  It has not worked.

[joewilly12]

1 minute ago, gEYno said:

I'm assuming you mean the method wherein you draft a QB each draft until you find one?

2016 - Hackenberg

2015 - Petty

2014 - Boyd

2013 - Smith

2012 - None

2011 - McElroy

2010 - None (only 4 picks)

2009 - Sanchez

2008 - Ainge

2007 - None (only 4 picks)

2006 - Clemens

We've tried, passing on a QB only 3 times in the past decade+, and only once when we had close to a full compliment of picks.  It has not worked.

So instead we turn the team over to a journeyman bum 7 teams in 12 years never making the playoffs 

[UnitedWhofans]

5 minutes ago, gEYno said:

I'm assuming you mean the method wherein you draft a QB each draft until you find one?

2016 - Hackenberg

2015 - Petty

2014 - Boyd

2013 - Smith

2012 - None

2011 - McElroy

2010 - None (only 4 picks)

2009 - Sanchez

2008 - Ainge

2007 - None (only 4 picks)

2006 - Clemens

We've tried, passing on a QB only 3 times in the past decade+, and only once when we had close to a full compliment of picks.  It has not worked.

How many of those were serious contenders to be a QB. Sanchez, Clemens, Smith, Hackenberg. All the others were 5th round or below. Shots in the dark. Takes luck and if you pick enough, you will luck into one

[ZachEY]

1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said:

How many of those were serious contenders to be a QB. Sanchez, Clemens, Smith, Hackenberg. All the others were 5th round or below. Shots in the dark. Takes luck and if you pick enough, you will luck into one

You realize that is the Ron Wolf method right?  Or, are you advocating taking a 1st round QB each year.  Because after the 1st round, they're all not really serious contenders?

[UnitedWhofans]

4 minutes ago, gEYno said:

You realize that is the Ron Wolf method right?  Or, are you advocating taking a 1st round QB each year.  Because after the 1st round, they're all not really serious contenders?

More to do with timing, if anything else. I would not have taken Lynch this year because we had more pressing needs. Hackenberg is not the be all and end all, especially given Mac's ability to pick up good UDFAs. 

So maybe in a few years go for the 1st rounder.

Keep using the method, because Luck decrees you will hit one

It worked in the early 90s. The Jets had Jeff Blake and they dumped him and had the best years the 90s Bengals would have.

[jeremy2020]

2 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

#5 Macc was not smart signing Fitzpatrick 

He had no choice, but to sign Fitzpatrick. It was the only option he gave himself with drafting Hackenberg as the only move they made at QB in the offseason. He could have gone after one of the other veteran re-treads or apparently traded for Sam Bradford who seems to be a good fir in Minnesota that has a similar team to the Jets. That move worked out for the viking, but who would have countenanced trading a 1st for Bradford to watch Wentz blow it up in philly...

[joewilly12]

2 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

He had no choice, but to sign Fitzpatrick. It was the only option he gave himself with drafting Hackenberg as the only move they made at QB in the offseason. He could have gone after one of the other veteran re-treads or apparently traded for Sam Bradford who seems to be a good fir in Minnesota that has a similar team to the Jets. That move worked out for the viking, but who would have countenanced trading a 1st for Bradford to watch Wentz blow it up in philly...

Another option could have been Nick Foles Macc had other options. 

[ZachEY]

6 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

More to do with timing, if anything else. I would not have taken Lynch this year because we had more pressing needs. Hackenberg is not the be all and end all, especially given Mac's ability to pick up good UDFAs. 

So maybe in a few years go for the 1st rounder.

Keep using the method, because Luck decrees you will hit one

It worked in the early 90s. The Jets had Jeff Blake and they dumped him and had the best years the 90s Bengals would have.

Just how many years of rebuild are us awful fans supposed to patiently wait for?

This appears to be year 6.  And you're advocating "a few" (which is generally considered to be 3) more years before using a 1st on a QB, who will need at least a year in optimistic terms before he's competitive.  So, basically, you're advocating 10 years of patience, before we may have a good QB, unless of course we get lucky, which, the list I just provided you should make the case we won't.

No thanks.  Again, all the JN asks is that you stop ruining the game threads with your 10 years of patience crap.

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, gEYno said:

Just how many years of rebuild are us awful fans supposed to patiently wait for?

This appears to be year 6.  And you're advocating "a few" (which is generally considered to be 3) more years before using a 1st on a QB, who will need at least a year in optimistic terms before he's competitive.  So, basically, you're advocating 10 years of patience, before we may have a good QB, unless of course we get lucky, which, the list I just provided you should make the case we won't.

No thanks.  Again, all the JN asks is that you stop ruining the game threads with your 10 years of patience crap.

Not year 6. Year 2. 

[ZachEY]

1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Not year 6. Year 2. 

So, what were the two seasons before that?  And the 3 seasons before that?

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, gEYno said:

So, what were the two seasons before that?  And the 3 seasons before that?

The 3 years before that were a continuation of the rebuild attempted by Mangini.

The two years before were an aborted attempt at a rebuild by Idzik.

[RutgersJetFan]

3 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said:

7. You cant keep firing coaches after 2 years. Lack of continuity leads to mediocrity. Also patience with young players is needed so that we can kick the cycle of mediocrity.

I am always a fan of those who make this point.

It comes up every single time a coach starts crossing that line with Jets fans of if the Jets made the right hire. That we should hang on to someone who doesn't produce results based on nothing but the thought that a lack of continuity is what has held this franchise back.

And then you look at the list of coaches the Jets have fired over the past 15 years; Herm, Mangini, and Rex.

None of them have gone on to have any sort of success anywhere else. And were also run (or about to be run) out of town for the second time. The Jets made the right call each time firing them when they did, and in two instances held on to them for a season or two for too long.

If the Jets would make good hires, they wouldn't have to fire anyone.

[ZachEY]

52 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

The 3 years before that were a continuation of the rebuild attempted by Mangini.

The two years before were an aborted attempt at a rebuild by Idzik.

So, regardless of who is at the helm, the Jets have been rebuilding for 6 years.

Idzik was fired, rightfully so, because his rebuild was a disaster.  Unless blowing two straight drafts is your idea of progress towards a rebuild.

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, gEYno said:

So, regardless of who is at the helm, the Jets have been rebuilding for 6 years.

Idzik was fired, rightfully so, because his rebuild was a disaster.  Unless blowing two straight drafts is your idea of progress towards a rebuild.

Blowing is a bit tough, but each is a separate rebuild. No one has gotten the opportunity to go all the way 

[ZachEY]

2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Blowing is a bit tough, but each is a separate rebuild. No one has gotten the opportunity to go all the way 

Look I get it, you have 0 expectations for this team ever.  That's fine.  You also don't seem to have a great grasp on building a team.  That's also fine.  All JetNation asks of you is to stop ruining the game thread for everyone.

[joewilly12]

2 minutes ago, gEYno said:

Look I get it, you have 0 expectations for this team ever.  That's fine.  You also don't seem to have a great grasp on building a team.  That's also fine.  All JetNation asks of you is to stop ruining the game thread for everyone.

We arent a rebuilding team with a 34 yr old QB and 31 yr old RB STOP with the nonsense and stop making excuses for Fitzpatrick the entire NFL knows he's a joke 

[Kevin L]

At this rate we're going to have to take 5 years to rebuild our rebuilt rebuild.

[KRL]

For all the craziness that's littering the board about firing this one and cutting that one.  The
whole truth of our season so far is we should be 3-0 if Fitzpatrick just played "below average" 
in the CIN & KC games.  Against CIN he was "bad" and against KC he was "historic bed wetting bad"

[joewilly12]

3 minutes ago, KRL said:

For all the craziness that's littering the board about firing this one and cutting that one.  The
whole truth of our season so far is we should be 3-0 if Fitzpatrick just played "below average" 
in the CIN & KC games.  Against CIN he was "bad" and against KC he was "historic bed wetting bad"

Exactly manage the game score points in the red zone keep us competitive until the end yesterday was bad really bad.

[Adoni Beast]

1 minute ago, KRL said:

For all the craziness that's littering the board about firing this one and cutting that one.  The
whole truth of our season so far is we should be 3-0 if Fitzpatrick just played "below average" 
in the CIN & KC games.  Against CIN he was "bad" and against KC he was "historic bed wetting bad"

The Cinci game I honestly put more on Folk. That game was a gritty game against a great team, with a nasty defense. That game played out exactly how it should have. 

We should be 2-1. Too many if's in the KC game to say we should have won. 

If my aunt had balls, she's be my uncle. Let's go out and win 2 out of next 3, or just end the season...

[ZachEY]

9 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

We arent a rebuilding team with a 34 yr old QB and 31 yr old RB STOP with the nonsense and stop making excuses for Fitzpatrick the entire NFL knows he's a joke 

Who's making excuses for Fitzpatrick?  You need to push back from the computer for a bit...

[JustInFudge]

Some games count, some games dont.

QB's dont matter.

It's the fans fault.

The team is mediocre despite being completely loaded with talent. 

Sticking with something sh*tty is better than not because continuity.

Just to recap the genius of this thread.