Janet Weiss quit Sleater-Kinney.

[CTM]

Just watched some Kaki King, the AV stuff. Will watch more.

[JustInFudge]

Funny, this article was in my news feed this morning.  Janet Weiss makes the cut!!!

https://upbeatnews.com/the-greatest-drummers-of-all-time/?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=ja&utm_campaign=un_yh_drummerc1_pg_dt_us_0708_003_ja&utm_content=gd_inv_ja_02&utm_term=HOMEPAGE_US

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

3 hours ago, CTM said:

Don't know Kaki King, I'm sure she's great, but the idea that the best guitarist not named Hendrix and best drummer of all time both come from the much smaller pool of female players seems likely to be more a you thing than a reality thing. Which is why I was pressing your buttons about grading on an XX curve. 

I was comparing each to the XX curve.

The point is more that there have been any number of people who can make a guitar do whatever they want it to. Most of them are dead and she's the only woman I know of, and i think it's unlikely anybody who knows the difference has actually seen somebody like EVH doing the kind of sh*t that makes him one of them. But yeah I could have expanded the caveat to include him and other such wankers. They all should have spent more time practicing writing or switching genres anyway. Because there was a Hendrix. Of all the quasi-virtuoso guitar players limited only by their own creativity, he was by leaps and bounds the least so constrained, and that's that. Main thing is just that there's still a next tier below the pointlessly gifted with at least a couple XX in addition to any XY. Rory whatshername, the blonde from Heart, whoever. 

Drums are different. There isnt that point of functional equivalence because the physical skills make a much more meaningful difference. It's not a given that sufficient musical aptitude and practice are going to get you to the point where artistry will out. The hypothetical drummer has to be Jimi and Arthur Ashe and what's missing is going to be noticeable. Everybody else shows flaws she doesn't while not playing as prominent a role as she does. Disclaimer I know nothing about jazz or this crazy Japanese classical nonsense which is also irrelevant because you listen to goddamned widespread panic. There aren't any other XX drummers in popular music who are even particularly good let alone great let alone that kind of great.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

3 hours ago, CTM said:

Just watched some Kaki King, the AV stuff. Will watch more.

I saw her warm up 20 years ago. This doesn't really matter. She's that good and she's a couple rungs above playing in bars and teaching lessons.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

2 hours ago, JiF said:

Funny, this article was in my news feed this morning.  Janet Weiss makes the cut!!!

https://upbeatnews.com/the-greatest-drummers-of-all-time/?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=ja&utm_campaign=un_yh_drummerc1_pg_dt_us_0708_003_ja&utm_content=gd_inv_ja_02&utm_term=HOMEPAGE_US

As did the paraplegic dude from Blink-182 and Lenny Kravitz's wig stand.

[CTM]

45 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

Disclaimer I know nothing about jazz or this crazy Japanese classical nonsense which is also irrelevant because you listen to goddamned widespread panic.

No I dont lol, but Herring can play the guitar. I never liked them even when I was into jam band music. The last 5 years is so the only jam band stuff I listen to is the Dead. Went to my first phish show in years last month and never bothered to going in.

Would you really call Sleater-Kinney poo music though ?

[JustInFudge]

I've seen Widespread Panic 70+ times and legit, I've never once listened to their music outside of a concert.

lol

 

[JustInFudge]

41 minutes ago, CTM said:

No I dont lol, but Herring can play the guitar. I never liked them even when I was into jam band music. The last 5 years is so the only jam band stuff I listen to is the Dead. Went to my first phish show in years last month and never bothered to going in.

Would you really call Sleater-Kinney poo music though ?

Herring is the best thing to happen to the band.  Dude rips.

[CTM]

30 minutes ago, JiF said:

Herring is the best thing to happen to the band.  Dude rips.

You used to call jam bands your musical guilty pleasure right? I'm there with 80's pop the last few years, grew up hating the music of that decade and now I love it 

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

1 hour ago, CTM said:

No I dont lol, but Herring can play the guitar. I never liked them even when I was into jam band music. The last 5 years is so the only jam band stuff I listen to is the Dead. Went to my first phish show in years last month and never bothered to going in.

Would you really call Sleater-Kinney poo music though ?

Of course it's pop music. Some Velvet Underground, most Sonic Youth, Blonde Redhead, Kid A, sure, that's not pop music. Sleater-Kinney is verse chorus verse.

[JustInFudge]

32 minutes ago, CTM said:

You used to call jam bands your musical guilty pleasure right? I'm there with 80's pop the last few years, grew up hating the music of that decade and now I love it 

Yes, there was a time back in college that jam bands were my guilty pleasure but it was more so for the party.  I never listened to any of the bands outside of a live show.  It wore off quickly.  Now I'm like, play another ******* song already.  

Some of my favorite artist started or thrived during the 80's.  Beastie Boys, Prince, Talking Heads, Bowie, Echo and Bunnymen, the Police, GnR, The Smiths, Cure, R.E.M., Pixies, Depeche Mode, Fleetwood, Joy Division, Sonic Youth, Pretenders, Gabriel, Collins ...all the punk stuff I love.  I've honestly never understood why the 80's was frowned upon so much by music lovers.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

32 minutes ago, CTM said:

You used to call jam bands your musical guilty pleasure right? I'm there with 80's pop the last few years, grew up hating the music of that decade and now I love it 

That was the only game in town. London Calling was an evolutionary dead end like Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Road before it. Joy Division turned into New Order, the Ramones kept making the same song over and over again, and everybody else basically just sat around and waited to get ripped off by Elastica. All other rock was ******* horrible because nobody had figured out the point of Jimi or punk yet. Not until Michael Jackson woke up one day and decided to write a rock song.

[CTM]

8 hours ago, JiF said:

I've honestly never understood why the 80's was frowned upon so much by music lovers.

Never really thought about it tbh but it's interesting too ponder. I know you weren't asking, but top of mind would probably be being unfavorably compared to some classic rock stuff from 2 decades prior. MTV also heralded a new age of commercialism and celebrity in music which I imagine crotchety opinion setters didn't like . Plus a lot of 80's stuff was synth driven which borrowed from the much maligned at the time disco phase. (which I also kind of like these days)

 

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

6 hours ago, CTM said:

Never really thought about it tbh but it's interesting too ponder.

No it isn't. Don't ponder. You can't think too much about this stuff because you will ruin it. My favorite band broke up and it rated like five songs worth of appointment listening. I can't even get my head around the idea of ever actually trying to sit down and listen to all of London Calling again. That mother****er is over an hour long and I'm wondering what the hell I'm doing with my life maybe twenty seconds into Brand New Cadillac. It's good, it's great, it's a lesser White Album, which is itself just some sh*t the Beatles jacked into a tissue to kill the year between much better records I can't fathom listening to again either. Objective merit is stupid, Material Girl is fun, and anybody who claims a personal connection to universal cononical sh*t is suspect on general principle.

[slats]

12 hours ago, CTM said:

Never really thought about it tbh but it's interesting too ponder. I know you weren't asking, but top of mind would probably be being unfavorably compared to some classic rock stuff from 2 decades prior. MTV also heralded a new age of commercialism and celebrity in music which I imagine crotchety opinion setters didn't like . Plus a lot of 80's stuff was synth driven which borrowed from the much maligned at the time disco phase. (which I also kind of like these days)

 

I think it's largely because the music got bad towards the late 80s. Parachute pants and polished cotton. The early new wave stuff was original and fun and a great departure from the taking itself way too seriously 70s rock. Those first couple Blondie albums were great. The Cars were an early favorite of mine. Saw The Ramones countless times, because they were just fun and always played locally. Talking Heads were brilliant, Television never got their due. The Knack's debut is still a great rock and roll album. Ditto Joe Jackson's Look Sharp. Some of the best 80s music was released in the 70s. Lol. 

[Kleckineau]

Any assessment of 80's pop music would not be complete without Elvis C. at or near the top.

[Peace Frog]

18 minutes ago, Kleckineau said:

Any assessment of 80's pop music would not be complete without Elvis C. at or near the top.

And Milli Vanilli. 

[Panzer Division Marduk]

On ‎7‎/‎17‎/‎2019 at 8:35 PM, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

https://pitchfork.com/news/sleater-kinneys-carrie-brownstein-on-janet-weiss-departure-its-hard-and-sad/

 the best drummer in the world up

Gene Hoglan says hello.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

8 hours ago, Panzer Division Marduk said:

Gene Hoglan says hello.

Okay, let's see. Never heard of him and 'says hello' trends red state on the doofus spectrum so I'm gonna venture that this is the speed metal rather than the prog rock version of the degree of difficulty as end-all, be-all argument, which you can stick the same place Mr. Hogwarts can stick his quintuple kick pedal. Close?

[Klecko73isGod]

At least she finished recording the new album before quitting.

I'm totally digging the two new songs they're released so far.

[RutgersJetFan]

On 7/19/2019 at 8:46 AM, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

Disclaimer I know nothing about jazz 

I think the default answer here would be Dave Weckl but so far as newish/er guys it’s Nate Smith and I don’t think it’s even much of a debate. I’m also partial to Kendrick Scott but I think it’s more for his compositions than his actual drumming. 

I also have no idea who does all the percussions for These New Puritans and I think it’s actually done by both guys, but to me their work on that end is so brilliant, especially on the one they put out this year.

[The Crusher]

On 7/19/2019 at 1:08 AM, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

I went to NYU with Kaki King and unless somebody caught Hendrix she's better than anybody else anybody has seen. Carrie Brownstein (or whoever) is called 'great' but the difference between the two of them is about the same as the difference between Brownstein and somebody who took up guitar while I've been writing this. For KK and Weiss you can stick the spot and nobody else is A+ even on the XX curve.

Anyways just watched her set from Ted 2008 and Damn, that was like nothing I've seen or heard. Really amazing stuff. This stuff is really good if you listen to it. 

[#27TheDominator]

They are one of the bands I always felt I was supposed to like, but I never got into them much.  My cousin used Burn, Don't Freeze on the soundtrack to his first movie, so that is probably what I am most familiar.  Everything I heard seemed too jangly for me. 

[Panzer Division Marduk]

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[Miss Lonelyhearts]

45 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

They are one of the bands I always felt I was supposed to like, but I never got into them much.  My cousin used Burn, Don't Freeze on the soundtrack to his first movie, so that is probably what I am most familiar.  Everything I heard seemed too jangly for me. 

The title song from All Hands on the Bad One is when they first really started sounding like this band. Funeral Song is basically a Nirvana song, and a pretty good one. Sympathy into Entertainment from the comeback tour (lots on this on youtube) is representative of them at their best live. The whole One Beat album is about as far removed as they get from what you're talking about, which I do agree with and am not much of a fan of the earlier ones. A bunch of the songs on The Woods are mostly standard heavy classic rock.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

23 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I think the default answer here would be Dave Weckl but so far as newish/er guys it’s Nate Smith and I don’t think it’s even much of a debate. I’m also partial to Kendrick Scott but I think it’s more for his compositions than his actual drumming. 

I also have no idea who does all the percussions for These New Puritans and I think it’s actually done by both guys, but to me their work on that end is so brilliant, especially on the one they put out this year.

I should check this out. I did like the song they put out last year a lot but haven't heard more. I have to have heard the first guy from when he was in the same band as Wooten but don't remember having any impression. Don't know the other two.