RSJ Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Falcons owner Arthur Blank said team officials continued to work on compensation to land New York Jets defensive end John Abraham, the pass-rushing specialist who has been their main offseason target. "I know we're trying hard to satisfy all parties concerned," Blank said Monday. "I think John Abraham is satisfied, at this point. It's just a matter of us working something out with the Jets." That could mean the Falcons offering more in a trade than the second-round pick in the April draft that the Jets rebuffed last week after Seattle offered its first round pick, 31st overall Atlanta refuses to trade backup quarterback Matt Schaub or its first-round draft pick (No. 15). Any new offer could include an additional pick in this season's draft or future considerations. Atlanta has already dealt its fourth-round pick to Cleveland for safety Chris Crocker. "I spent several hours with him last week and he's a great football player and will continue to be a great football player," Blank said http://www.ajc.com/falcons/content/s...21abraham.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jetstone Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I'd love to respond to this post with a witty reply but I'm....well I'm just drawing a....BLANK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 If the Jets like Schaub (which I still don't see what the fanfare is about this guy by the way), then it's these three scenario's...him (Schaub) and their number 2...or just their number 1 and lastly, their number 2 this year and their number 1 next year. That's it! If not, they can go **** off. Abe can go pack salt for all I care...but, we ain't giving him away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 1st rounder or bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunta_23 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I REALLY doubt that ATL will give up the # 1 this year for JA...it just doesnt seem likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 then they can go fornicate themselves with a stick for all i care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiamiJet Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Hey Arthur, Either **** or get off the pot. You really don't expect to have the #15 pick, Schaub AND Abe? It's simple. To get something of value, from the Jets, you must part with something of equal value. Since you have a hard time accepting what the value is for Abe, or giving us what we consider equal value, forget it. We'll take Seattle's #1 and be on our way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuikVick_26 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 im hoping for this years 3rd and next years 1st now that seattle is an actual player in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Hey Arthur, Either **** or get off the pot. You really don't expect to have the #15 pick, Schaub AND Abe? It's simple. To get something of value, from the Jets, you must part with something of equal value. Since you have a hard time accepting what the value is for Abe, or giving us what we consider equal value, forget it. We'll take Seattle's #1 and be on our way. I know, this nitwit makes me laugh ... he loves John Abraham and really wants him badly, but he refuses to trade either of the things that can consumate a fair deal ... as if he's entitled to pulloff a heist WHAT A CLOWN The thing that makes me laugh is he has a franchise QB signed long term, thus Schaub is destined to be his backup ... and he won't even trade his backup QB for the All-Pro DE he covets That, more than anything, is telling the Jets he is only interested in a LOPSIDED TRADE in his favor He basically wants John Abraham for a set of steak knives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuikVick_26 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I know, this nitwit makes me laugh ... he loves John Abraham and really wants him badly, but he refuses to trade either of the things that can consumate a fair deal ... as if he's entitled to pulloff a heist WHAT A CLOWN The thing that makes me laugh is he has a franchise QB signed long term, thus Schaub is destined to be his backup ... and he won't even trade his backup QB for the All-Pro DE he covets That, more than anything, is telling the Jets he is only interested in a LOPSIDED TRADE in his favor He basically wants John Abraham for a set of steak knives Your a CLOWN! please point out where it says Arthur Blank is the gm of the falcons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBeans Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Your a CLOWN! please point out where it says Arthur Blank is the gm of the falcons? No, he's not the GM, he just owns the team. No input there, I'm sure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 The Falcons are not getting ABe for a 2nd rounder. They also are not getting him for Schuab alone either. It will be the #1 pick (15th overall) or Schuab and a 2nd or 3rd. Pick one of the above. Or take a hike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 No, he's not the GM, he just owns the team. No input there, I'm sure.... Sure. He "spent several hours with him last week" to go over nuclear physics theories. Ham could not have put it any more aptly: Atlanta expects to go into the 2006 season with their #15 pick, Matt Schaub, and John Abraham. Seattle has offered the #31 pick in round one, and Atlanta expects us to trade with them instead for the #47 pick and another lower pick, citing "point values" as though all drafts, every year, are equal. A truly accurate point system is impossible, since it would require tailoring the point values (at least for the first 2 rounds, or even the first 3 rounds) based on the talent coming out in a particular year. All drafts are not equal, but the value chart treats them all the same. The #31 pick this year is more valuable than it was last year, frankly is more valuable than a pick in the late teens/early 20's was last year, and probably will be more valuable than (at least) the #25 pick next year. And it's certainly more valuable than a mid #2 and a mid #3. Not to mention, according to the new CBA, a first-rounder can be signed to a 5-year contract but a 2nd-rounder can only be signed to a 4-year deal. I'm not sure about 3rd-rounders, but they're usually only signed to 3-year deals. So we're looking at... From Seattle: a first-round talent for 5 years or From Atlanta: a 2nd-round talent for 4 years, plus a 3rd-round talent for 3 years (or a third-tier RB for 2 years) Between the two offers on the table, there's nothing for us to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBeans Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Sure. He "spent several hours with him last week" to go over nuclear physics theories. Ham could not have put it any more aptly: Atlanta expects to go into the 2006 season with their #15 pick, Matt Schaub, and John Abraham. Seattle has offered the #31 pick in round one, and Atlanta expects us to trade with them instead for the #47 pick and another lower pick, citing "point values" as though all drafts, every year, are equal. A truly accurate point system is impossible, since it would require tailoring the point values (at least for the first 2 rounds, or even the first 3 rounds) based on the talent coming out in a particular year. All drafts are not equal, but the value chart treats them all the same. The #31 pick this year is more valuable than it was last year, frankly is more valuable than a pick in the late teens/early 20's was last year, and probably will be more valuable than (at least) the #25 pick next year. And it's certainly more valuable than a mid #2 and a mid #3. Not to mention, according to the new CBA, a first-rounder can be signed to a 5-year contract but a 2nd-rounder can only be signed to a 4-year deal. I'm not sure about 3rd-rounders, but they're usually only signed to 3-year deals. So we're looking at... From Seattle: a first-round talent for 5 years or From Atlanta: a 2nd-round talent for 4 years, plus a 3rd-round talent for 3 years (or a third-tier RB for 2 years) Between the two offers on the table, there's nothing for us to think about. POTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 this trade will happen the day before the draft and the jets will get the falcons 1st rd pick and will send a 4th back to atl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 If Blank wants Abraham the thing is do is NOT to pay lip service but to give the jets a A FAIR offer and they will get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaumerJet Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I think the problem lies with the fact that the Jets let him try to negotiate a contract with the Falcons before Tannenbaum even talked of the trade. Though it may give us a little leverage with Seattle - They still have to work out a contract with Abraham before he agrees to the trade - forcing this until Friday may just be the push to make the deal with either team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmart28Coles87 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Its either a 1st rounder or nothing. If they think that any other garbage trade their offering us is gonna get them Abraham they could shove their 2nd rounder straight up their ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuikVick_26 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 we actully use our 2nd round picks, we don't shove them up our ass like the jets do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 we actully use our 2nd round picks, we don't shove them up our ass like the jets do. 2005: Jonathan Babineaux < Justin Miller / Mike Nugent 2004: Atlanta - No 2nd round draft pick 2003: Bryan Scott < Victor Hobson Recently I say I'd give the Jets the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 2005: Jonathan Babineaux < Justin Miller / Mike Nugent 2004: Atlanta - No 2nd round draft pick 2003: Bryan Scott < Victor Hobson Recently I say I'd give the Jets the edge. did sombody say OWNED? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsnts725 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Owned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderbirdJet Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 OWNED! But, in all honesty, it isn't hard to own these inbred southerners who call themselves Falcant's fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 we actully use our 2nd round picks, we don't shove them up our ass like the jets do. Right. You use them to acquire RB's playing QB. 2005: Jonathan Babineaux: 280-lb DT 2004: (none - did you trade up to get Jenkins? He sucks anyway.) 2003: Bryan Scott: starter at FS 2002: (none - Vick trade) 2001: Alge Crumpler = awesome 2000: OG Travis Claridge 1999: TE Reggie Kelly (and I think you traded your 2000 #1 pick to get him) 1998: OG Bob Hallen 1997: DT Nathan Davis 1997: RB Byron Hanspard 1996: RB Richard Huntley 1995: DB Ronald Davis Jets have taken a lot of losers but did land: 2005 K Mike Nugent (he'll be fine, but a stupid pick this early) 2005 DB Justin Miller (starting this year) 2004 (none - traded for Justin McCariens - thanks Terry) 2003 LB Victor Hobson (eh. A starter.) 2002 DB Jon McGraw (talented sissy) 2001 HB LaMont Jordan (excellent back who the Jets hardly used) 2000 (none) 1999 OG Randy Thomas (excellent G for both Jets & Skins) 1998 DE Dorian Boose (dumb Parcells pick) 1997 DT Rick Terry (even dumber Parcells pick) 1996 WR Alex Van Dyke (sucked) 1995 OG Matt O'Dwyer (so-so NFL starter for some years) I'd say Atlanta's had more misses than we have in round two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuikVick_26 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 2005: Jonathan Babineaux < Justin Miller / Mike Nugent 2004: Atlanta - No 2nd round draft pick 2003: Bryan Scott < Victor Hobson Recently I say I'd give the Jets the edge. I was hoping you'd do that 2001 Alge Crumpler > all your 2nd round draft picks of the last 10 years and then some. owned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kentucky Jet Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Hey Arthur, Either **** or get off the pot. You really don't expect to have the #15 pick, Schaub AND Abe? It's simple. To get something of value, from the Jets, you must part with something of equal value. Since you have a hard time accepting what the value is for Abe, or giving us what we consider equal value, forget it. We'll take Seattle's #1 and be on our way. well stated and I agree! SCHAUb would give us a lot of flexibility. With him in the fold we can draft for the defense in the early rounds! DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuikVick_26 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 you want to talk overall draft picks for the last 2 years. then I'll truly own all you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuikVick_26 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 crickets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 crickets... Michael Jenkins has been a bust. Jonathan Vilma is better than any player you have drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuikVick_26 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Michael Jenkins has been a bust. Jonathan Vilma is better than any player you have drafted. DeAngelo Hall? do I need to even say it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raffyD Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 crickets... Unfortunately I am not as well versed in past draft classes as some of my brethren here so I won't even begin discussing the value/quality of the players drafted by the Jets and Falcons respectively. However, I do want to point out that such comparisons are generally useless to me because the only thing I care about is the one thing that has alluded Jets fans for roughly 37 years and that is a Super Bowl (I have no idea when or if the Falcons won a superbowl, I do remember them losing one to the Packers though). Yes, Alge Crumpler was an absolute STEAL in the 2nd round for you guys and we've had our share of really good 2nd round steals as well as evidenced by previous posts by others. Problem is I don't really give a sh!t about that, what I care about now is that my team had a really bad 4-12 year last year and did not make the playoffs. And frankly, what you should care about is the fact that with all your talent (cough cough, Vick sucks) your squad was hanging on the couch watching the playoffs this past year and was therefore no better than my 4-12 team. And BTW, yes you were owned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuikVick_26 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Unfortunately I am not as well versed in past draft classes as some of my brethren here so I won't even begin discussing the value/quality of the players drafted by the Jets and Falcons respectively. However, I do want to point out that such comparisons are generally useless to me because the only thing I care about is the one thing that has alluded Jets fans for roughly 37 years and that is a Super Bowl (I have no idea when or if the Falcons won a superbowl, I do remember them losing one to the Packers though). Yes, Alge Crumpler was an absolute STEAL in the 2nd round for you guys and we've had our share of really good 2nd round steals as well as evidenced by previous posts by others. Problem is I don't really give a sh!t about that, what I care about now is that my team had a really bad 4-12 year last year and did not make the playoffs. And frankly, what you should care about is the fact that with all your talent (cough cough, Vick sucks) your squad was hanging on the couch watching the playoffs this past year and was therefore no better than my 4-12 team. And BTW, yes you were owned. lol, sad, sad. if you didn't care, why're you posting in a thread, that for the last page, is purely talking about draft picks? yeah...stfu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raffyD Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 lol, sad, sad. if you didn't care, why're you posting in a thread, that for the last page, is purely talking about draft picks? yeah...stfu. Well the thread is about Blank trying to get Abe if you want to nitpick but I'd rather not. Why am I posting? Well, for one thing you started comparing overall quality of drafts of the falcons to those of the jets and I think that is just moronic, but I mainly posted a reply in this thread because I see someone making an a$$ of themselves and wanted to point it out to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 lol, sad, sad. if you didn't care, why're you posting in a thread, that for the last page, is purely talking about draft picks? yeah...stfu. Sad is your team's season being in the crapper in October 2005 so you have to find a team doing even worse to trash talk to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiamiJet Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 DeAngelo Hall? do I need to even say it? How quickly you forget Peerless Price. Nice use of your #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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