Browns Cut QB Kellen Mond

[slimjasi]

Just now, UntouchableCrew said:

I think he just misread your post and thought you said they preferred Webb to Trubisky. 

You were correct they preferred both Webb and Trubisky over Watson.

Yea, I distinctly remembered them not liking Watson compared to the other top guys in that draft, since I wanted Watson. LOL

And I'm not sh*ttig on QBASE, just pointing out that they have plenty of misses, as well. 

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Right, but I wasn't saying they preferred Webb to Trubisky, I was saying they preferred both Webb and Trubisky to Watson. 

QBASE has big misses at the top of the draft like everyone else, although I think it's a reasonable tool based on statistics alone. 

Yep, and that was a major whiff and we now know WHY they whiffed so poorly from a process standpoint.  They miss at least like 40 % of the time on their picks.  But that's still a far better hit rate than any analyst out there.  And you have to at least give them a nod for having Mahomes as their top guy of the class against consensus.

[UntouchableCrew]

Just now, slimjasi said:

Yea, I distinctly remembered them not liking Watson compared to the other top guys in that draft, since I wanted Watson. LOL

And I'm not sh*ttig on QBASE, just pointing out that they have plenty of misses, as well. 

Watson was my guy in 2018 draft. Was scared of Mahomes but wanted Watson at 6.

Makes you wonder how that all works out (him playing well and looking like the savior and then the sex scandals breaking) if he's in NY.

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Watson was my guy in 2018 draft. Was scared of Mahomes but wanted Watson at 6.

Makes you wonder how that all works out (him playing well and looking like the savior and then the sex scandals breaking) if he's in NY.

I wanted either Watson or Mike Williams in '17.  

Taking Jamal Adams at 6 in such a loaded class of premium position talent was execution-worthy.  

It's also hilarious that people give Macc credit in hindsight for the trade JD pulled off.  As if Macc wouldn't have handed Jamal a 5-year deal worth $100M....

[slimjasi]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

Yep, and that was a whiff.  They miss at least like 40 % of the time on their picks.  But that's still a far better hit rate than any analyst out there.  And you have to at least give them a nod for having Mahomes as their top guy of the class against consensus.

I definitely do. 

QBASE is something I look at every year and it's definitely a positive if you have a great QBASE score and a red flag if you have a huge bust %. But it also wouldn't be the determining factor for me when deciding between two guys I liked. 

 

My favorite thing about QBASE is that it penalizes one year wonders in college, which despite some exceptions (like Russell Wilson, Phillip rivers, and Big Ben), is generally a good idea. But even that didn't stop it from having Zach Wilson and Trey Lance ahead of Justin Fields and Macc Jones (and Wilson was second overall, trailing only Lawrence). The book on the 2021 class certainly isn't fully written yet, but that doesn't look great right now. 

[Thai Jet]

1 hour ago, chirorob said:

Did you ever watch him play in college?

My wife and her whole family are Aggies, I watched him 20+ times.   He is crazy streaky, and can be very inaccurate.  His arm strength is fine, but not great touch, not a great release.

Being a SEC follower with Alabama I'm very familiar with Mond. I always feared that A&M game as long as he was there. I must have seen a lot of his good streaky games. 

[Jetsfan80]

14 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

I definitely do. 

QBASE is something I look at every year and it's definitely a positive if you have a great QBASE score and a red flag if you have a huge bust %. But it also wouldn't be the determining factor for me when deciding between two guys I liked. 

 

My favorite thing about QBASE is that it penalizes one year wonders in college, which despite some exceptions (like Russell Wilson, Phillip rivers, and Big Ben), is generally a good idea. But even that didn't stop it from having Zach Wilson and Trey Lance ahead of Justin Fields and Macc Jones (and Wilson was second overall, trailing only Lawrence). The book on the 2021 class certainly isn't fully written yet, but that doesn't look great right now. 

 

It's definitely a better tool for pegging who the busts/disappointments will be than pegging who the hits will be, that's for sure.  When I looked at their hit/bust rate from a historical perspective, they were about 65-70 % accurate at nailing the busts.  On the other end, however, they only were right about the hits about 40 % of the time.  

That makes sense though:  There's obviously a LOT more busts than hits littering the professional ranks.  But still...

[Joe W. Namath]

No one answered me.  Who is Kellen Mond and why is there a thread about him on this board?

Should I start a John Wofford thread if he gets cut?

[slimjasi]

7 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

No one answered me.  Who is Kellen Mond and why is there a thread about him on this board?

Should I start a John Wofford thread if he gets cut?

Friend: The thread isn't really about Kellen Mond. It's about having some fun ragging on Chris Simms who famously predicted Zach Wilson would be a better NFL QB than Trevor Lawrence. 

That's what is important here - making fun of Chris Simms

 

[#27TheDominator]

40 minutes ago, bitonti said:

just want to go on record that I liked Dorian Thompson-Robinson in Dec 2022

 

 

Doesn't matter.  You like DRob.  Nobody will ever listen to you again!

[JiFtheOracle]

4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Your annual reminder that Chris Simms had Mond ahead of Justin Fields on his draft board AND also had him above Jalen Hurts (unranked) on his active top-40 QB rankings in 2021:

 

 

@JiF

Wait this is a real list and not a spoof?  What a tool bag 

[Joe W. Namath]

4 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Friend: The thread isn't really about Kellen Mond. It's about having some fun ragging on Chris Simms who famously predicted Zach Wilson would be a better NFL QB than Trevor Lawrence. 

That's what is important here - making fun of Chris Simms

 

Oh, ok.  What does Colin Cowherd think about this?

[JiFtheOracle]

4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

“I don’t do rankings for popularity, I do them because I want to be a GM one day."

- Chris Simms on ranking Kellen Mond over Justin Fields, 2021

 

 

@JiF @JiF@JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF@JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF@JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF@JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF@JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF@JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF@JiF @JiF @JiF 

Me vs Chris Simms in a wannabe GM contest.  I will destroy. 

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Oh, ok.  What does Colin Cowherd think about this?

FYI, he has the Jags as the #1 seed this year. 

 

[JiFtheOracle]

2 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Oh, ok.  What does Colin Cowherd think about this?

If Chris Simms and Colin Cowherd had a child, it would be Skip Bayless. 

[UntouchableCrew]

4 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

FYI, he has the Jags as the #1 seed this year. 

 

Wait really. Kinda interested in this take haha.

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Wait really. Kinda interested in this take haha.

His argument is that the Jags have a really easy schedule compared to other potential division winners (similar to Philly last year). He also says that Trevor Lawrence is already an elite QB and Pederson is a big time coach. His biggest point is that a lot of the other teams who people love (Chiefs, Bengals, Bills) have brutal schedules. He thinks the Jets are overhyped and won't make the playoffs. 

I'm always skeptical of going too crazy about schedules in August, but I get his argument. My biggest concern would be that people are crowning Lawrence after like 9 good games in year 2 (a bit premature, IMO). I think Lawrence is good, but you have people like Nick Wright saying that he is already a top ten NFL player (not even QB, player), which seems very much over the top

 

[Joe W. Namath]

15 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

FYI, he has the Jags as the #1 seed this year. 

 

With how easy their division is, I would not be surprised if the Jags ended up as the #1 overall seed in the AFC.

[UntouchableCrew]

9 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

His argument is that the Jags have a really easy schedule compared to other potential division winners (similar to Philly last year). He also says that Trevor Lawrence is already an elite QB and Pederson is a big time coach. His biggest point is that a lot of the other teams who people love (Chiefs, Bengals, Bills) have brutal schedules. He thinks the Jets are overhyped and won't make the playoffs. 

I get the "easy schedule" thing I just don't think the Jags are that good yet. 

9 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

I'm always skeptical of going too crazy about schedules in August, but I get his argument. My biggest concern would be that people are crowning Lawrence after like 9 good games in year 2 (a bit premature, IMO). I think Lawrence is good, but you have people like Nick Wright saying that he is already a top ten NFL player (not even QB, player), which seems very much over the top

 

Agree, I have yet to see it with him at all. I generally buy the upside but the sample size of him being disappointing/underwhelming is larger at this stage than of him being anything special.

Granted, it would not at all shock me to see him take a leap this year. Third year seems like a good leap year for QBs -- we saw it with Josh Allen.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

2 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

I get the "easy schedule" thing I just don't think the Jags are that good yet. 

Agree, I have yet to see it with him at all. I generally buy the upside but the sample size of him being disappointing/underwhelming is larger at this stage than of him being anything special.

Granted, it would not at all shock me to see him take a leap this year. Third year seems like a good leap year for QBs -- we saw it with Josh Allen.

Now that a legit alpha #1 is in the building, would not shock me at all to see Lawrence have a year 3 breakout like Luck had:

Something like 5K yards and 40 TD

[UntouchableCrew]

1 minute ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Now that a legit alpha #1 is in the building, would not shock me at all to see Lawrence have a year 3 breakout like Luck had:

Something like 5K yards and 40 TD

Who are you referring to? Calvin Ridley?

[Kleckineau]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Why do people assume anyone who makes good money is worthy of our jealousy?  He is laughably bad at his job, and that is worthy of our mockery.  Or are you one of those folks who think someone's worth to society is decided upon entirely by the free market?

Lol "one of those  folks" To be clear I am envious of nothing. My post was def not directed toward you I would have quoted if it was. It was a generalization of the thread and the silly vitriol directed at Simms. Hey he is paid alot to do what we do for entertainment and isnt much better it than we are. Yes some people are jealous of these type things. NOT YOU

[Joe W. Namath]

Who still listens to chris simms.  I havent listened to simms in 15 years.

[Rich Thornburgh]

5 hours ago, GangGreened said:

Lmao Simms reputation as a QB guru is in the trash now I hope 

Zach single-handedly ended that 

[jetstream23]

7 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Your annual reminder that Chris Simms had Mond ahead of Justin Fields on his draft board AND also had him above Jalen Hurts (unranked) on his active top-40 QB rankings in 2021:

 

 

@JiF

He surprisingly got the Sam Darnold vs. Trey Lance competition outcome correct. 

[jetstream23]

3 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

No one answered me.  Who is Kellen Mond and why is there a thread about him on this board?

Should I start a John Wofford thread if he gets cut?

[Joejet]

2 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Who still listens to chris simms.  I havent listened to simms in 15 years.

He was still playing football 13 years ago.

[Green Ghost]

6 hours ago, Kleckineau said:

Jelly much? SImms is as good as the most accurate prognosticators here on JN except he gets paid a ton to be innaccurate.

They’re pissed he loved Zach Wilson.

Zach ruins everything.

[Joe W. Namath]

Kellen Mond has been signed back by the Browns.  Hahahaha

[Jetsfan80]

13 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Am I missing something?  Why is the top thread on this board about a scrub qb no ones ever heard of?

 

11 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

No one answered me.  Who is Kellen Mond and why is there a thread about him on this board?

Should I start a John Wofford thread if he gets cut?

 

3 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Kellen Mond has been signed back by the Browns.  Hahahaha

See?  It’s a fun topic.  Knew you’d come around eventually.

[mrcoops]

They uncut him when they traded Dobbs to the Cards.

DTR wins the backup job - that kid is the real deal.

[Dunnie]

21 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

“I don’t do rankings for popularity, I do them because I want to be a GM one day."

- Chris Simms on ranking Kellen Mond over Justin Fields, 2021

 

 

@JiF @JiF@JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF@JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF@JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF@JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF@JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF@JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF @JiF@JiF @JiF @JiF 

So far Justin Fields looks like a RB ..but yeah ..got this one wrong.

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Dunnie said:

So far Justin Fields looks like a RB ..but yeah ..got this one wrong.

* RB who Vegas gives the 9th-best odds at winning NFL MVP in 2023

[JiFtheOracle]

22 hours ago, slimjasi said:

Yea, I distinctly remembered them not liking Watson compared to the other top guys in that draft, since I wanted Watson. LOL

And I'm not sh*ttig on QBASE, just pointing out that they have plenty of misses, as well. 

Oh god, dont get me started on QBASE.  They had Bakery ******* Mayflower as the great QB prospect of all time.

[JiFtheOracle]

2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

* RB who Vegas gives the 9th-best odds at winning NFL MVP in 2023

I'm not ready to take my victory lap yet but the fact people keep doubling down on the nonsense spewed about Fields while ignoring the tremendous growth he had last year as a passer in the worst situation possible,  is some strange agenda hold over from the draft or some weird thinly veiled defense for taking Wilson .....and it's only going to make my victory lap that much more obnoxious when he does arrive and he will.

 

To reiterate,  young QB's in that situation, on that bad of a team, literally tanking on purpose to the point it looked like they were trying to sabotage, dont improve like this while simultaneously breaking an NFL record, it literally, never happens, ever. 

 

Games 1-3: 23/45 (51.1%) 297 pass yd 2 TD 4 INT 50.0 rtg

Games 4-6: 40/70 (57.1%) 572 pass yd 2 TD (2.9 TD%) 1 INT (1.4 INT%) 87.3 rtg

Games 7-11: 73/113 (64.6%) 773 pass yd 9 TD (7.9 TED%) 3 INT (2.7 INT%) 99.9 rtg