#27TheDominator Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 2 hours ago, bonkertons said: Jets fans who want McCarthy should be thrilled by this. We were never going to make a change this offseason, so our only shot of getting him is another failed Saleh year along with another early Cowboys playoff exit. If things play out that way, I'd imagine he'll be one of the favorites next offseason. After another early Cowboys playoff exit they never really wanted him anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 10 hours ago, Beerfish said: Step one be good enough to make the playoffs or win your division, step two hope you are playing your best come playoff time. Who are you hiring to get to step two? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 3 hours ago, slimjasi said: The same argument can be made for any number of good coaches. As has been documented, McCarthy and Payton have almost identical resumes - the primary difference being that Rodgers developed in McCarthy’s offense while Brees had already made a pro bowl before being paired with Payton. If you owned a decent-to-good team and had to bet your life on winning a Super Bowl next year, are you hiring Sean Payton or Mike McCarthy to coach that team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 2 hours ago, Paradis said: McCarthy sucks His stellar nfl coaching history and record says as much. Does he suck next to Andy Reid, prime belichick? Sure. His resume is as good or better than a lot of the sacred cows of this league as in Mike Tomlin or John Harbaugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 8 minutes ago, Beerfish said: His stellar nfl coaching history and record says as much. Does he suck next to Andy Reid, prime belichick? Sure. His resume is as good or better than a lot of the sacred cows of this league as in Mike Tomlin or John Harbaugh You're probably right, objectively speaking - but i think he sucks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: If you owned a decent-to-good team and had to bet your life on winning a Super Bowl next year, are you hiring Sean Payton or Mike McCarthy to coach that team? Neither is winning a SB with a decent to good team, but I'd take Payton because I think he's better at situational play-calling and managing the game. No disagreement there My main point is that, based on resumes alone, either Payton is overrated or McCarthy has become slightly underrated. They are too close in overall accomplishments to be worlds apart. You guys talk about McCarthy like he's Dave Campo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 39 minutes ago, Paradis said: You're probably right, objectively speaking - but i think he sucks. The number of guys with great records that we jets fans think sucks is a ponderous book, Tolstoy like. 😎 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 4 hours ago, Paradis said: McCarthy sucks He's had 3 or 4 straight 12-5 seasons with the Cowboys. I don't care how loaded the roster is, he's a good coach. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 I am going to take the flipside now. With the GB roster and prime AR12 and multiple all pros and MVPs, AR12 only went to one SB under McCarthy and won it. McCarthy is another Marty (not Brian) Schottenheimer-great during the regular season, but not great in the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Took over play calling this year. Led the league in PPG. Those fools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 19 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: i mean, mccarthy specifically wanted to coach the Jets when we foolishly hired gase instead thats dumbfounds me. only thing i can think of is that he liked Sam Darnold.? McCarthy has never drafted a QB that was any good. Favre was already there; Rodgers was drafted the year before. Love after he was gone and Dak before he got there. 9 hours ago, JetsFanatic said: Why? Woody is a patient owner , spends money on players and we have a QB. I’ve read that statement over and over and it makes no sense. Rodgers is the reason. he is the boss of the offense and will clash with any top HC. and then after 2 years tops your looking for another QB. thats not attractive imo. i should have said it was because of Rodgers and not Woody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talonmm Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 9 hours ago, JetsFanatic said: Why? Woody is a patient owner , spends money on players and we have a QB. I’ve read that statement over and over and it makes no sense. It's been 25 years, and a previous Jet owner to find the last time a Great Head Coach wanted to coach this team. Yes Woody tends to hire Head Coaches who never were Head Coaches at the NFL level. I guess McCarthy did want the Jets job, but for some reason, McCarthy did not appeal to the Jets, or perhaps McCarthy was luke-warm to the Jets and really didn't want this job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 23 hours ago, Hex said: Good choice, IMO. He's a good coach. Nice to see someone who isn't trigger happy (except Woody. At least McCarthy has success to back him up) I think Jones likes having a guy like McCarthy. Keeps the attention on himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 5 hours ago, slimjasi said: Neither is winning a SB with a decent to good team, but I'd take Payton because I think he's better at situational play-calling and managing the game. No disagreement there My main point is that, based on resumes alone, either Payton is overrated or McCarthy has become slightly underrated. They are too close in overall accomplishments to be worlds apart. You guys talk about McCarthy like he's Dave Campo. His last three playoff appearances: 2022: Gets absolutely nuked by a 9-8 JV Green Bay Packers squad that lost to Tommy DeVito a few weeks prior 2021: loses 19-12 to the 49ers in the Divisional Round after a embarrassing series of clock mismanagements ends up with them having Ezekiel Elliot playing center and getting rolled on a play that no one to this day can explain 2020: lost 23-17 in the Wild Card Round to the Niners after Dak Prescott inexplicably tried scrambling then couldn’t get the ball spiked to end the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: His last three playoff appearances: 2022: Gets absolutely nuked by a 9-8 JV Green Bay Packers squad that lost to Tommy DeVito a few weeks prior 2021: loses 19-12 to the 49ers in the Divisional Round after a embarrassing series of clock mismanagements ends up with them having Ezekiel Elliot playing center and getting rolled on a play that no one to this day can explain 2020: lost 23-17 in the Wild Card Round to the Niners after Dak Prescott inexplicably tried scrambling then couldn’t get the ball spiked to end the game. Yea, they have been playoff chokers for sure. I very well may have moved on from McCarthy this time. but I’m not sure the packers are exactly “JV” - they have beaten Detroit, KC, Minny, Chicago, and Dallas since they got rolling (several of those being blowouts). I think they have a nice young team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 8 hours ago, T0mShane said: Who are you hiring to get to step two? Who are you hiring? Bellichick is a not go, he wants to run the show and his recent decision making has been awful Harbaugh Maybe, he got to but did not win the super bowl. Pete Carrol? No. Maybe Adam Gase can get them over the hump? For every hot shot new coach that succeeds there is one that utter fails an take you backwards. "Pittsburgh a model franchise for sticking with guys, tomlin has not win a playoff game in 7 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 4 hours ago, varjet said: I am going to take the flipside now. With the GB roster and prime AR12 and multiple all pros and MVPs, AR12 only went to one SB under McCarthy and won it. McCarthy is another Marty (not Brian) Schottenheimer-great during the regular season, but not great in the playoffs. Who are great coaches? Cowher coached 16 years and won one. John harbaugh has won one Tomlin? 1 win, 15 years ago. Jim Harbaugh 0 wins Hell even Belli who is the hot commodity has been terrible without brady. It is hard to win games in this league. Harder to win your divisions. Harder to get to the super bowl Super hard to win the game. I mean we as jets fans fell all over Rex Ryan for getting to two AFC title games and then falling on our ass. Rex won 11 games once, McCarthy has won 11 or more games 8 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: Who are you hiring? Bellichick is a not go, he wants to run the show and his recent decision making has been awful Harbaugh Maybe, he got to but did not win the super bowl. Pete Carrol? No. Maybe Adam Gase can get them over the hump? For every hot shot new coach that succeeds there is one that utter fails an take you backwards. "Pittsburgh a model franchise for sticking with guys, tomlin has not win a playoff game in 7 years. McCarthy is purgatory—good enough to rack up regular season wins, but not good enough to put a team over the top. As for the list of coaches you’re naming, I’d take most all of them to do better with this iteration of the Cowboys than McCarthy has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsruinedmylifeandhealth Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Good decision. It's a disappointing end to a very good season...but why fire a coach if you are not absolutely certain that you can bring in someone better? McCarthy isnt perfect but he is 36-15 over the past 3 seasons...you dont toss that away and gamble on an unknown. If Belichick, or Jim Harbaugh was not a possibility then you keep McCarthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 11 hours ago, Paradis said: You're probably right, objectively speaking - but i think he sucks. Why? Was it the 167-102 career record and the Super Bowl that gave it away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 3 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said: Why? Was it the 167-102 career record and the Super Bowl that gave it away? The Black Eyed Peas performed at halftime of that Super Bowl, for reference 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Things Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 29 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The Black Eyed Peas performed at halftime of that Super Bowl, for reference This was the pick-me-up I needed on a dreary Friday morn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 8 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said: Why? Was it the 167-102 career record and the Super Bowl that gave it away? Jon Gruden won a SB, how's he doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Many of the great head coaches of all time have some high level gravitas: -- Lombardi -- Bill Walsh -- Tom Landry -- Parcells -- Belichick -- Cowher In the absence of this, it takes some exceptional traits to compensate and sort of overcome the lack of "fear factor" among the players. It can be done, but it's rare: -- Pete Carroll -- McVay Suffice it to say I don't think Mike McCarthy is a great head coach. I don't think the players respect him, he's not a great motivator, and in terms of X's and O's, he's a stubborn cat who refuses to adapt his system or whatever in order to do what it takes to win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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