The Gun Of Bavaria Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0605/gallery.qbs/content.1.html?cnn=yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 theyre not saying we're #1.....we're 1 of 11....dumbass... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 It is a controversy, but not a huge one. Chad knows that his deal is he has to prove he is the starting QB. Patrick knows that Chad has to prove it and that he has every chance of beating out Chad to become the starter. Kellen knows he has a shot at starting this year if those two suck or get hurt and is probably the guy of the future. Brooks knows he is gone and is packing his bags. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Why didn't they list Brady and Cassel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 I don't know why some fans want to consider players competing for a position, a "controversy". That is FOOTBALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 SI is making a big assumption that pennington will be able to throw by then. i think a more likely controversy is b/w clemmons and ramsey as soon as ramsey loses a few games with his decision making and propensity to throw int's in the red zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 **yawn** I do not believe 4-12 team's have QB controversies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 **yawn** I do not believe 4-12 team's have QB controversies. Sorry, sir. In PSIKH's mind, what record must a team have for a QB controversy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted May 5, 2006 Author Share Posted May 5, 2006 theyre not saying we're #1.....we're 1 of 11....dumbass... Hey they were listed first. Therefore, I'm calling it #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 I don't know why some fans want to consider players competing for a position, a "controversy". That is FOOTBALL I agree Scotty unlike Hermie who said who the starters were and said there would be NO COMPETITION!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Sorry, sir. In PSIKH's mind, what record must a team have for a QB controversy? What is the controversey? Your QB has not done $hit for four years because of (insert excuse here). They bring in a QB that was largely unfulfilled potential in Washington. The controversey will be why did the team go into the year with such shoddy QBing. IF the Jets rebound like Jets fans think, do you want your Superbowl hopes relying on a QB that has a twice injured throwing shoulder, a never was or a rookie QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 What is the controversey? Your QB has not done $hit for four years because of (insert excuse here). They bring in a QB that was largely unfulfilled potential in Washington. The controversey will be why did the team go into the year with such shoddy QBing. IF the Jets rebound like Jets fans think, do you want your Superbowl hopes relying on a QB that has a twice injured throwing shoulder, a never was or a rookie QB. First, for you to say that Chad hasn't done *&$# for 4 years is a pretty ignorant statement unto itself. Second, are you advocating the Jets should have brought in a re-tread, or traded for one, just for the sake of feeling warm and fuzzy, all teh while spending big bucks on garbage? i would rather have a staff that feels they can make something out of what they have, and what they scouted, rather feel all warm inside because they have gone down the road travelled many teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 I don't know why some fans want to consider players competing for a position, a "controversy". That is FOOTBALL I agree. It's not a controversy until there is disagreement over who deserves to start. Main Entry: con·tro·ver·sy Pronunciation: 'kän-tr&-"v&r-sE British also k&n-'trä-v&r-sE Function: noun 1 : a state of dispute or disagreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 First, for you to say that Chad hasn't done *&$# for 4 years is a pretty ignorant statement unto itself. Change the 4 to 3, and that is a very accurate statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Change the 4 to 3, and that is a very accurate statement. TX-In 2004, he got his team to the playoffs, and guided them to a win in the playoffs. Coming from a Patriot fan, I can understand the statemnt that "it is not much". For the balance of the league, it is a pretty good achievement. Not the greatest, I understand. But better than most. Some people want to conveniently forget that. And I also know that has no bearing on the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 TX-In 2004, he got his team to the playoffs, and guided them to a win in the playoffs. Come on Scotty, you are better than that. PennyBoy led the Jets to a 1-3 (where he stunk up the joint against the Steelers and Pats) record down the stretch and they backed into the playoffs. And that "playoff win" was only a result of a rookie kicker missing a chipshot, game winning FG. And then against the Steelers, PennyBoyWonder "led" the Jets offense to a whopping 3 points in 5 quarters of football. If that is how you want your QB to perform, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 First, for you to say that Chad hasn't done *&$# for 4 years is a pretty ignorant statement unto itself. Second, are you advocating the Jets should have brought in a re-tread, or traded for one, just for the sake of feeling warm and fuzzy, all teh while spending big bucks on garbage? i would rather have a staff that feels they can make something out of what they have, and what they scouted, rather feel all warm inside because they have gone down the road travelled many teams. Ok, since 2002 what has Chad done? Besides getting progressively worse? Fooled the Jets' FO in signing him to a 60 million contract? Despite throwing less and less passes every year, his INT % has gone higher and higher. What has he done? I am guessing the Jets want to give Chad another chance. In case he does not workout, they draft a QB of the future just in case. No problems there. WHy not go for Kitna, a QB that has at least done something in the NFL. Instead, they go for Ramsey. A never was. What is Chad that soft he cannot handle competition? That is right, it took him two year to unseat a crappy VT and he only got the job after it was handed to him. If the Jets had a do-over, think Chad gets selected again? No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny green balls Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Ok, since 2002 what has Chad done? Besides getting progressively worse? Fooled the Jets' FO in signing him to a 60 million contract? Despite throwing less and less passes every year, his INT % has gone higher and higher. What has he done? I am guessing the Jets want to give Chad another chance. In case he does not workout, they draft a QB of the future just in case. No problems there. WHy not go for Kitna, a QB that has at least done something in the NFL. Instead, they go for Ramsey. A never was. What is Chad that soft he cannot handle competition? That is right, it took him two year to unseat a crappy VT and he only got the job after it was handed to him. If the Jets had a do-over, think Chad gets selected again? No way. chad didn't have to fool anyone, bradway offered me a $75,000 contract to drink beer in section 133 and keep an eye on the clock for herm last year. dick curl beat me out for the roster spot but i still got to keep my signing bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 To have a controversy we are assuming one QB can even throw the ball here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 To have a controversy we are assuming one QB can even throw the ball here Why would you "assume" that? He couldn't "throw the ball" in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Come on Scotty, you are better than that. PennyBoy led the Jets to a 1-3 (where he stunk up the joint against the Steelers and Pats) record down the stretch and they backed into the playoffs. And that "playoff win" was only a result of a rookie kicker missing a chipshot, game winning FG. And then against the Steelers, PennyBoyWonder "led" the Jets offense to a whopping 3 points in 5 quarters of football. If that is how you want your QB to perform, so be it. Ok TX, if the game you want to play is to judge playoff wins by artistic merit, getting "lucky" and having things break your way, we can play that game. i didn't realize you were one of those guys that judged games by "artistic merit", but we can do that. Want me to go first in the game of "Let's poke holes in playoff wins"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Instead, they go for Ramsey. A never was. What is Chad that soft he cannot handle competition? That is right, it took him two year to unseat a crappy VT and he only got the job after it was handed to him. If the Jets had a do-over, think Chad gets selected again? No way. Sorry. But you are wrong on Ramsey. He is still an unknown. First he plays for a HC (Spurrier) who is rough on Q/Bs, and has an offense that is very difficult to master. Then the new (old) HC comes in and immediately decides he needs a lefty version of Doug Williams, even though that version is hurt, coming off seasons of injuries, et al. Ramsey had what, a 1 game tryout? This change of scenary will help him. Look at what Schott. did with Brees. Got him a $60 million contract, and this is after a serious injry to his throwing arm!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Ok, since 2002 what has Chad done? Besides getting progressively worse? Fooled the Jets' FO in signing him to a 60 million contract? Despite throwing less and less passes every year, his INT % has gone higher and higher. What has he done? I am guessing the Jets want to give Chad another chance. In case he does not workout, they draft a QB of the future just in case. No problems there. WHy not go for Kitna, a QB that has at least done something in the NFL. Instead, they go for Ramsey. A never was. What is Chad that soft he cannot handle competition? That is right, it took him two year to unseat a crappy VT and he only got the job after it was handed to him. If the Jets had a do-over, think Chad gets selected again? No way. Guiding a team to a playoff victory is doing more than 2/3 of the qb's in the league. If you want to downplay that significance, so be it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENSMACKS Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 the easy way to solve it whoever throws the farthest wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 the easy way to solve it whoever throws the farthest wins So, Jeff George would be your quarterback? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENSMACKS Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 ok so lets throw 5 yards routes for the whole season then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 ok so lets throw 5 yards routes for the whole season then.... My point was simple-If you are only going to base your qb on who can throw the farthest, you are not looking for a qb as so much you are looking to clean up in challenges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 My point was simple-If you are only going to base your qb on who can throw the farthest, you are not looking for a qb as so much you are looking to clean up in challenges. If that's the case Vinny could play till he's 60+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 What is the controversey? Your QB has not done $hit for four years because of (insert excuse here). They bring in a QB that was largely unfulfilled potential in Washington. The controversey will be why did the team go into the year with such shoddy QBing. IF the Jets rebound like Jets fans think, do you want your Superbowl hopes relying on a QB that has a twice injured throwing shoulder, a never was or a rookie QB. Four years? You're not that stupid or pompous Pfsikh. Since Pennington reached the same round of the playoffs twice as NE did last year then Brady ALSO did $hit last year because(insert excuse here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Ok TX, if the game you want to play is to judge playoff wins by artistic merit, getting "lucky" and having things break your way, we can play that game. i didn't realize you were one of those guys that judged games by "artistic merit", but we can do that. Want me to go first in the game of "Let's poke holes in playoff wins"? TX suffers from 15,000 posts worth of Pennington OCD. He will count the Pitt game but not the San Diego win when discussing Pennington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 He will count the Pitt game but not the San Diego win when discussing Pennington. I did discuss the San Diego game. In case you missed it, the Jets won that game because a rookie kicker choked on a chipshot, game winning FG. The Jets did not win because of PennyBoy's great game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Pennington was often effective when healthy. But that's now a very big "if".Remains to be seen if he can ever do it again. For as gung ho as he is, he doesn't know if he can do it. Ramsey was effective in spots, but by no means great. Does seem that for some reason Gibbs hated him. Cannot recall Gibbs trusting any QB except Theismann. He won 3 titles with mostly the same squad except for the QB-Thiessmann, Rypien and Williams. Bit I also wonder if Gibbs has been hanging around for the paycheck and to set up his kids in business for life. It should be a competition and we'll see if one of these guys can take the job in camp and the preseason. If not, the Jets probably muddle through 13 or 14 games until Clemens finishes a few learning experience/ring o'fire December games and takes the reins firmly in 2007. If one of these guys does do the job and Clemens is deemd ready on 2007, that will be a real controversy. We can hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Simple math 11>10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted May 5, 2006 Author Share Posted May 5, 2006 I would love Penny to return to form and be the starter, I really would. But if he's not 100%, give the rock to Ramsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phinsuck Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 Pennington won't be able to play and Clemens isn't good. The job will be Ramsey's to keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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