BP Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 What has Chad won as a QB in the NFL? His record in 2002 was 8-4 2003 was 4-6 2004 was 8-5 2005 was 1-2 2006 is 7-5 for a total of 28-22 with a 2-2 playoff record and no Championship game appearances. His career winning % including playoffs is .560 meaning that out of every 16 games we win around 9 games. Not good enough IMO Hi #2!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikeyman3 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Hi #2!!!! Was tired of debating with LGJ, JetsMike and the rest of the Pennintologists, decided I needed some new blood to debate with about Chad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 What has Chad won as a QB in the NFL? His record in 2002 was 8-4 2003 was 4-6 2004 was 8-5 2005 was 1-2 2006 is 7-5 for a total of 28-22 with a 2-2 playoff record and no Championship game appearances. His career winning % including playoffs is .560 meaning that out of every 16 games we win around 9 games. Not good enough IMO Hey Parcells beat me to it. But do we have to change your username over here as well? The universe just doesn't seem right. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 What has Chad won as a QB in the NFL? His record in 2002 was 8-4 2003 was 4-6 2004 was 8-5 2005 was 1-2 2006 is 7-5 for a total of 28-22 with a 2-2 playoff record and no Championship game appearances. His career winning % including playoffs is .560 meaning that out of every 16 games we win around 9 games. Not good enough IMO Good post #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsfanbkny Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 You're right, there shouldn't be any personal attacks, jerkoff. i would have never said that if you werent calling me dumb in about 4 to 5 of your posts....ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 What do you judge a QB on? Looks? His smile? How nice of a guy he is? There is no perfect stat to judge QB's and i don't claim to have it. I just know that TD/INT ratio involves a HUGE element of luck. Comp% and YPA are much better (but not perfect) measures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Was tired of debating with LGJ, JetsMike and the rest of the Pennintologists, decided I needed some new blood to debate with about Chad. Good luck, because madmike and jetsfanbkny make LGJ and JetsMike look like renowned football experts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Was tired of debating with LGJ, JetsMike and the rest of the Pennintologists, decided I needed some new blood to debate with about Chad. LOL..at least your the only Jetnation VIP on here..I'm envious..WTF Max??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I just know that TD/INT ratio involves a HUGE element of luck. Let me make sure I understand this. QB's that throw a lot of INT's are "unlucky" and QB's that throw a lot of TD's are "lucky" and skill, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with it? You get more ridiculous by the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikeyman3 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 To answer the OP. The only way the "haters" will hut up is if Chad plays well and he is the main reason for winning a big playoff game vs. a great defense. And/or if Chad can start playing like the 2002 Chad and earn his "franchsie" QB money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Let me make sure I understand this. QB's that throw a lot of INT's are "unlucky" and QB's that throw a lot of TD's are "lucky" and skill, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with it? You get more ridiculous by the post. Should a QB who's arm gets hit and throws a pick or has a ball tipped be punished the same as a QB who makes a horrible throw? What about a QB who plays a bad defensive team and they drop picks? What about a QB who get an EASY TD because a corner falls down? Or because his WR is MUCH better then the corner? What about drops? What about differences in olines? All QB's don't play against the same schedules. There is NO WAY that TD/INT is a fair stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikeyman3 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 There is no perfect stat to judge QB's and i don't claim to have it. I just know that TD/INT ratio involves a HUGE element of luck. Comp% and YPA are much better (but not perfect) measures. There is no ONE way to judge a player. You have to take all relevant stats, observations of the game, others' observations of the game all into account to juge a player in football. This isn't baseball where if a guy gets on base at a .400 clip he is a productive player. Hell David Carr two weeks ago completed 22 straight passes and lost the game because he didn't throw the ball downfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 The haters act like Pennington is surrounded by all-stars and that he's the only reason we're not undefeated. Of course, most of them are the same idiots who KNEW there was no way he could win the starting job or even play in the NFL after his shoulder surgery. They know nothing. Their opinions are to be disregarded. Don't sweat it, Bob. Even a chump like PatsfanTXass has his Manson girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 There is no ONE way to judge a player. You have to take all relevant stats, observations of the game, others' observations of the game all into account to juge a player in football. This isn't baseball where if a guy gets on base at a .400 clip he is a productive player. Hell David Carr two weeks ago completed 22 straight passes and lost the game because he didn't throw the ball downfield. I agree with everything you've said in this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Oh yea, the TD/INT ratio is a useless stat when it comes to mesuring QB's. Maybe we should use the QB rating stat. You really are a dumbass. How about a TD to Turnover stat: Pennington 13 TDs 16 TOs Brady 20 TDs 22 TOs Losman 12 TDs 22 TOs Harrington 11 TDS 16 TOs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsfanbkny Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Good luck, because madmike and jetsfanbkny make LGJ and JetsMike look like renowned football experts. and you and troll know everything...sorry if i disagree with you on some of your post because you are the smartest person i ever spoke to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikeyman3 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Should a QB who's arm gets hit and throws a pick or has a ball tipped be punished the same as a QB who makes a horrible throw? What about a QB who plays a bad defensive team and they drop picks? What about a QB who get an EASY TD because a corner falls down? Or because his WR is MUCH better then the corner? All QB's don't play against the same schedules. There is NO WAY that TD/INT is a fair stat. Over a large sample size luck evens out. Barton brought up TD/INT rations of QB's for the last couple of seasons, which severly reduces the "luck" factor and levels the playing field greatly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikeyman3 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 How about a TD to Turnover stat: Pennington 13 TDs 16 TOs Brady 20 TDs 22 TOs Losman 12 TDs 22 TOs Harrington 11 TDS 16 TOs QB fumbles are much more due to the offensive line's play than the QB itself, TD/INT ratio is a much better way of judging a QB's performance. If the QB doesn't get hit, he isn't going to fumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 There is no perfect stat to judge QB's and i don't claim to have it. I just know that TD/INT ratio involves a HUGE element of luck. Comp% and YPA are much better (but not perfect) measures. Dude, get real. Chad is not a top 10 QB. And its not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Let's play a game. "I have thrown 12 INTS and have 10 fumbles. Who am I?" ...raising my hand here in the back of the class...getting tired....holding it up with the other hand now....finally....ummm.....Tom Brady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 QB fumbles are much more due to the offensive line's play than the QB itself, TD/INT ratio is a much better way of judging a QB's performance. If the QB doesn't get hit, he isn't going to fumble. So the Jets have a better line than NE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Dude, get real. Chad is not a top 10 QB. And its not even close. as to your sig....Jets record the last 7 games?....5-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikeyman3 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Dude, get real. Chad is not a top 10 QB. And its not even close. I dunno, It is closer than you think. There aren't many good QB's in the NFL nowadays. Chad is probably from the 12-15 range in QB's. At least you know what you are ging to get from him week to week vs. a bad defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 There is no perfect stat to judge QB's and i don't claim to have it. I just know that TD/INT ratio involves a HUGE element of luck. Comp% and YPA are much better (but not perfect) measures. Chad Pennington is 15th in yards per attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I dunno, It is closer than you think. There aren't many good QB's in the NFL nowadays. Chad is probably from the 12-15 range in QB's. At least you know what you are ging to get from him week to week vs. a bad defense. Ok again...who are the 12 to 15 better QBs than Chad starting week 14? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikeyman3 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 How many fumbles out of those 10 has Brady lost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Madmike, you must take a step back and observe. You have gotten the biggest bitch slapping in the history of NFL message boards. Just stop now. Save yourself from further embarassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Chad Pennington is 15th in yards per attempt. Tom Brady is 13 Chad is higher than: Eli Hasselbeck Delhomme Carr McNair Vick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikeyman3 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Ok again...who are the 12 to 15 better QBs than Chad starting week 14? Manning Brady Palmer Brees Romo Bulger Hasselbeck Young Garrard Green Rivers Not to mention guys that could be put on the same level as Chad like: Losman, Vick, McNair, Delhomme, Grossman, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Madmike, you must take a step back and observe. You have gotten the biggest bitch slapping in the history of NFL message boards. Just stop now. Save yourself from further embarassment. Are you kidding? He should keep going, I've never been more amused on a Jets message board in my life, with the possible exception of the Herm Edwards interview parodies/actual quotes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Tom Brady is 13 Chad is higher than: Eli Hasselbeck Delhomme Carr McNair Vick and every one of those guys the anti-Chad crowd would rate higher I'm sure than they would say Chad does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsfanbkny Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Madmike, you must take a step back and observe. You have gotten the biggest bitch slapping in the history of NFL message boards. Just stop now. Save yourself from further embarassment. no he didnt what he cant support chad pennington on this site...this is a jet site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Manning Brady Palmer Brees Romo Bulger Hasselbeck Young Garrard Green Rivers Not to mention guys that could be put on the same level as Chad like: Losman, Vick, McNair, Delhomme, Grossman, etc. give me a friggin break dude-go sign in on the I Hate Chad Thread-I won't even dignify answering each of those names witha yea or ney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikeyman3 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 and every one of those guys the anti-Chad crowd would rate higher I'm sure than they would say Chad does No check again. Though if I were to start a team I'd take guys like Manning, Carr, and Vick over Chad in a second due to their ages and coachable skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 and every one of those guys the anti-Chad crowd would rate higher I'm sure than they would say Chad does Christ, what the hell is that post supposed to mean? I'm at a complete loss trying to figure out what you're saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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