EvanstonJet Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 From what I have seen, D'Brick has looked pedestrian this year. Hes not very big, and I just don't see him becoming a pro bowl left tackle.. Right now he is an average NFL starting LT I think as he gains more expierence(and weight) he could turn himself into an above average NFL lineman, but I just don't see a #4 overall pick worthy player.. McNeil outperfromed Brick in college, and the pros. Most people considered McNeil a first round talent last year, and I was shocked to see him slip.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 hes a ****ing rookie, what do you expect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ EcKo151 Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Prior to Sunday, he had given up 1 sack all season, to Richard Seymour. And those opponents include Jason Taylor, Dwight Freeney, Paul Spicer, Aaron Schobel round 1, Richard Seymour round 2, and Mario Williams. He has kept Chad healthy and been very good at LT man. He has been worthy of the 4th overall pick without a doubt. I wanted Leinart so bad, but D'Brick has shut me up with his stellar play this season. I don't know what you're watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 A left tackle in his first year starting in the NFL and, as you said, already as good as most left tackles in the league. I'll take that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 He's been alot more good then bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetfan4hire Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 I consider myself to be a fairly objective fan, and I am very happy that the Jets decided to draft D'brick. He will be a Pro bowl LT in the not to distant future in my opinion. You cant expect a rookie to not make mistakes. Put Mcneil on the Jets and lets see if he gets the same kind of media love he's been getting. Try and remember that Mcneil is playing on a line that was already solid, and has the best RB in the universe to help him look good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Name me one game besides the Bills game where D'Brick let up a big sack? You can name me just one, a strip sack by Robert Mathis in the 1st quarter against the Colts. D'Brick has done just fine and Nick Mangold and 29 has proved to be a great pick as well.. this line is set with young talent at the 2 most important positions for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 I consider myself to be a fairly objective fan, and I am very happy that the Jets decided to draft D'brick. He will be a Pro bowl LT in the not to distant future in my opinion. You cant expect a rookie to not make mistakes. Put Mcneil on the Jets and lets see if he gets the same kind of media love he's been getting. Try and remember that Mcneil is playing on a line that was already solid, and has the best RB in the universe to help him look good I've only seen the chargers once but in that game the chargers relied on a short drop quick passing game,making it harder for the other team(especially DEs) to get sacks.Rivers has a really quick release which will help an o-line. I watched Brick closely this season(haven't seen the bills game though) and he's done a solid job,he'll give up the odd pressure every now and then but he'd strung together a good set of games before last week. I believe his run blocking has improved a bit,he's not dominant but you see him contain his man and he's good at getting down field or outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oktaren Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 i disagree, the guy is a rookie and has played pretty good to great so far. mcneill has been good as well but he has back problems, and that is why he slipped, not because of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn212 Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 From what I have seen, D'Brick has looked pedestrian this year. Hes not very big, and I just don't see him becoming a pro bowl left tackle.. Right now he is an average NFL starting LT I think as he gains more expierence(and weight) he could turn himself into an above average NFL lineman, but I just don't see a #4 overall pick worthy player.. McNeil outperfromed Brick in college, and the pros. Most people considered McNeil a first round talent last year, and I was shocked to see him slip.. I assume you're joking or just wanted to start a thread..Brick is playing against some of the best the NFL has to offer every freakin week and he has MORE then held his own in his ROOKIE year..end this dumb thread right here!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 No, No No, a thousand times, NO. D'Brick has had one bad game. Other than that, he's been great. He's facing the best pass rusher on every team, and so far, spare the Bills game, so good. Give him an offseason in a real NFL conditioning program and he'll be one of the very best at his position. He's already in the top 10 of LTs, may be higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBeans Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 From what I have seen, D'Brick has looked pedestrian this year. Hes not very big, and I just don't see him becoming a pro bowl left tackle.. Right now he is an average NFL starting LT I think as he gains more expierence(and weight) he could turn himself into an above average NFL lineman, but I just don't see a #4 overall pick worthy player.. McNeil outperfromed Brick in college, and the pros. Most people considered McNeil a first round talent last year, and I was shocked to see him slip.. You're right, we should have never let Jason Fabini go and Adrian Jones would have been much better against the guys the Jets faced this year. Brick will be fine - he's got the work ethic, strength, athleticism and intelligence to be a franchise LT in the NFL. Last week he realistically gave up one sack - Clemens held the ball for 43 seconds on the two he "gave up" in garbage time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Nah, it wasn't the Jets; it was just Bitonti. But that was a few years ago, so why suddenly bring it up now? Leave the guy alone already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBeans Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Nah, it wasn't the Jets; it was just Bitonti. But that was a few years ago, so why suddenly bring it up now? Leave the guy alone already. Here comes TX in 5,4,3,2,1.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Maybe some people are forgetting how difficult it is for a rookie to come and start at offensive tackle in the NFL- Brick has come in and done real good under the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 I think its pretty clear that the Jets blew the #4 pick. Dbrick has played no better than Adrian Jones ever did, and thats sayin something. If we can trade Dbrick for a 2nd/3rd rd pick in the offseason, I would do it. And I've seen McNeil whiff on many blocks, that guy sucks too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Nah, it wasn't the Jets; it was just Bitonti. But that was a few years ago, so why suddenly bring it up now? Leave the guy alone already. POTW nomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Dbrick has been fine. Love all that patience that was preached here prior to the season now being thrown out the window. 80% of Jets fans prefer being miserable and are happiest when they are complaining about a player, draft pick etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Dbrick has been fine. Love all that patience that was preached here prior to the season now being thrown out the window. 80% of Jets fans prefer being miserable and are happiest when they are complaining about a player, draft pick etc. That couldn't be more true and the Patsy trolls just fan the flames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 I think its pretty clear that the Jets blew the #4 pick. Dbrick has played no better than Adrian Jones ever did, and thats sayin something. If we can trade Dbrick for a 2nd/3rd rd pick in the offseason, I would do it. And I've seen McNeil whiff on many blocks, that guy sucks too. This is either a. sarcasm or b. narcotics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 This is either a. sarcasm or b. narcotics. A. Sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 A. Sarcasm Ya had me scared there EB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 A. Sarcasm There's been a few posts of sarcasm about our beloved QB, so I wasn't sure where this landed. Thanks for clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBeans Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 I think its pretty clear that the Jets blew the #4 pick. Dbrick has played no better than Adrian Jones ever did, and thats sayin something. If we can trade Dbrick for a 2nd/3rd rd pick in the offseason, I would do it. And I've seen McNeil whiff on many blocks, that guy sucks too. POTW NOM - nice job by the youngster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Marcus McNeill > D'Brickashaw Ferguson I was watching ESPN the other day and Ron Jaworski, yes, Ron Jaworski, said McNeill should win Rookie of The Year though it will probably go to Colston or Bush. McNeill went 41 games without giving up a sack in college and opened up huge lanes for Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams at Auburn. The stuff about his back injury was overexaggerated and subterfuge as he hasn't missed a game in college or the pros due to it. McNeill has stayed healthy and stayed on the field and played excellent. The only people still saying Brick/Clemens were the right picks are the same people who hated Leinart and Vince Young before the draft and said they would both be busts. We could have easily had Leinart/McNeill or Cutler/McNeill. Ferguson isn't a bust but he isn't as good as McNeill and Kellen Clemens is not as good a QB prospect as Matt Leinart or Jay Cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 McNeill's been very good. Having a great back like LT doesn't hurt. D'Brick has one tough game, and now he sucks. Very fair evaluation. As for Leinart, the jury is still out. Would still love to see what his passes do on a windy NJ afternoon. Culter hasn't been so wonderful. And while I'm impressed as could be with Young, NOBODY has won long-term as a running QB. To compare Clemens to those guys isn't fair. I guess you thought until this season Eli was better than Rivers because he...played, while Rivers did not? No one can evaluate this draft fairly for at least a year or 2, probably more like 3 or 4. And unless we get some points in the standings or a tiebreaker,WGAF about the ROY? You, though, Petey Porno, are omniscient, and should forthwith get thee to Hofstra to right these egregious wrongs. You, sir, a mere 14 games into the careers of each of these players, know the deal and who's who in the pecking order now and forever. Present yourself to the security booth off Hempstead Turnpike bright and early Monday to greet Coach Mangini as he returns from Minnesota with your all-knowing insights. Depose Mike Tannebaum if you deem it duly appropriate and necessary. Otherwise we are being cheated not to have your brilliant input with our beloved team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 McNeill's been very good. Having a great back like LT doesn't hurt. D'Brick has one tough game, and now he sucks. Very fair evaluation. As for Leinart, the jury is still out. Would still love to see what his passes do on a windy NJ afternoon. Culter hasn't been so wonderful. And while I'm impressed as could be with Young, NOBODY has won long-term as a running QB. To compare Clemens to those guys isn't fair. I guess you thought until this season Eli was better than Rivers because he...played, while Rivers did not? No one can evaluate this draft fairly for at least a year or 2, probably more like 3 or 4. And unless we get some points in the standings or a tiebreaker,WGAF about the ROY? You, though, Petey Porno, are omniscient, and should forthwith get thee to Hofstra to right these egregious wrongs. You, sir, a mere 14 games into the careers of each of these players, know the deal and who's who in the pecking order now and forever. Present yourself to the security booth off Hempstead Turnpike bright and early Monday to greet Coach Mangini as he returns from Minnesota with your all-knowing insights. Depose Mike Tannebaum if you deem it duly appropriate and necessary. Otherwise we are being cheated not to have your brilliant input with our beloved team. McNeill has not been very good, he's been great. I find it funny that you guys try to minimize McNeill's acheivements by giving LT the credit, this after saying time and time again that any RB can be good behind a good O-line. Yes, LT is a great back but his YPC is up this year by almost a full yard: Tomlinson's YPC 2004 (without McNeill): 3.9 2005 (without McNeill): 4.3 2006 (with McNeill): 5.0 Do the math son. As for comparing Kellen Clemens to Phillip Rivers that is as ludicrous as it gets. When Rivers came out, he was arguably the best college QB prospect and the only reason Eli Manning was drafted over him was because he had the right last name. Before this draft, the only guys I heard raving about Clemens were Ron Jaworski and Merril Hoge and they have so far been off with all their QB predictions for this year. Remember Jaws saying in SI that Vince Young was going to get killed by NFL defenses? Remember Merril Hoge saying Leinart and Young weren't even 1st round picks in his mind? Yeah, they also said Clemens was as good they are. I don't think Clemens will be a bust, I just don't see him being anything more than another Pat Ramsey or Jay Fiedler. He's just another undersized, unspectacular QB who can manage the game and never take it over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 The season is only 14 games played so far, and neither Leinart nor Young has played as many as 10. I've been impressed with Young, but he will not be doing this for 16 games every year and against better defenses unless he wants to be injured. As for Leinart and Cutler, am I missing something? Neither has been overwhelming, which given they are rookies isn't a surprise. Either way, the sample to judge anyone yet i still too small to be worth much. You may be right, but there isn't enough data on any of'em to state as strong an opinion as you do. And to judge Clemens on 1 garbage time series is simply unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 PeterNorth09 Why did you leave out 03' when he had 5.3 YPC??? Maybe it was him or the playcalling and not Mcneil... who did he have that was "great" like Mcneil in 03'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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