4HCrew Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 he may want out of DC and the Skins have cap problems. Maybe offer one of the 2nd round picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 he may want out of DC and the Skins have cap problems. Maybe offer one of the 2nd round picks? no thanks. not mangini material. and how old is he? remember most RBs age faster than any other position oin football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 build the offensive line and they will come....1000 yard RBs.Right now the only guy who has me interested is Turner from San Diego-it would take either a trade or a 1st round pick to get him so I don't think it will happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 build the offensive line and they will come....1000 yard RBs.Right now the only guy who has me interested is Turner from San Diego-it would take either a trade or a 1st round pick to get him so I don't think it will happen good point,, look at denver, ,soflajets would get yards in that 'system'.. its more about the sytem and the OL than the RB, in most cases,, u always have a LT etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 good point,, look at denver, ,soflajets would et yards in that 'system'.. its more about the sytem and the OL than the RB, in most cases,, u always have a LT etc.. yea I agree SJ-it was a plug-anybody-in-at-RB system and every guy no matter if he was even drafted or not and he'd get you a grand.We still need another couple of bodies though and who knows maybe we can score gold with a draft pick.RB's are the easiest to plug in and get production from.The learning curve is not as steep going from college to the pros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 NO to Portis.. YES to TURNER.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistalava Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 No way, he's not that good. The Skins want him out and we would be foolish to take him off their hands. He's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 No way, he's not that good. The Skins want him out and we would be foolish to take him off their hands. He's done. two things though 1:we DO deal with Washington a lot-we have history there and 2: We usually get the better of said deals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 If Schott really likes Turner then i believe Turner will be a jet for one of our second rd picks. #1 pick is 2 high IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 If Schott really likes Turner then i believe Turner will be a jet for one of our second rd picks. #1 pick is 2 high IMO #26 pick in 1st round is low enough where we would have to at least go to the negotiating table over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 If Schott really likes Turner then i believe Turner will be a jet for one of our second rd picks. #1 pick is 2 high IMO what I LIKE about Turner is he hasn't been beat up yet...They (SD) SHOULD trade the guy-his agent should be in there selling this anyway since there's NO WAY he sees the field much with LT in front of him.Who knows maybe we can make amends to the football gods for squandering another up-and-coming young RB who was never given HIS fair shot with the Jets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 #26 pick in 1st round is low enough where we would have to at least go to the negotiating table over it. We have deeper needs than a RB, history tells u rds 3-6 you can get a stud Jets need to address Defensive line with 1st rd pick!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangenious420 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 We have deeper needs than a RB, history tells u rds 3-6 you can get a stud Jets need to address Defensive line with 1st rd pick!!! cus Robertson worked out so well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I'd say one of these two possible deals could and SHOULD occur: 1. Jets trade Vilma to Washington for Portis or 2. Jets trade 2nd round pick this year / future second day draft pick to Washington for Portis I think a lot of us would rather have the second option be the case but if Vilma isn't moved to the outside he has no place in the 3-4 defense at ILB as he will not excell there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I'd say one of these two possible deals could and SHOULD occur: 1. Jets trade Vilma to Washington for Portis or 2. Jets trade 2nd round pick this year / future second day draft pick to Washington for Portis I think a lot of us would rather have the second option be the case but if Vilma isn't moved to the outside he has no place in the 3-4 defense at ILB as he will not excell there. if one of the crappiest teams in nfl doesnt want him why do we? and RBs can be had by smart front offices on draft day. i wouldnt use vilma chip on a RB with 5 years already on his resume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangenious420 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I'd say one of these two possible deals could and SHOULD occur: 1. Jets trade Vilma to Washington for Portis or 2. Jets trade 2nd round pick this year / future second day draft pick to Washington for Portis I think a lot of us would rather have the second option be the case but if Vilma isn't moved to the outside he has no place in the 3-4 defense at ILB as he will not excell there. we are not trading Vilma for a guy who dresses up in customs when he speaks with the media, its not going to happen, mangini is not bringing in a big time star with a head like Clinton Portis, make my workds never going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 if one of the crappiest teams in nfl doesnt want him why do we? and RBs can be had by smart front offices on draft day. i wouldnt use vilma chip on a RB with 5 years already on his resume. Washington needs to unload on some of their higher salary guys and with Ladell Betts performing well it gives them space to try to unload Clinton. Portis is one of the best backs in the league and he's only 26 years old meaning he's got another 4-6 years left in the tank before we probably see him ride off into the sunset. Give me Clinton Portis anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Washington needs to unload on some of their higher salary guys and with Ladell Betts performing well it gives them space to try to unload Clinton. Portis is one of the best backs in the league and he's only 26 years old meaning he's got another 4-6 years left in the tank before we probably see him ride off into the sunset. Give me Clinton Portis anyday. hey who knows maybe we can fleece them for a this years' 4th and a 7th next year-something like that then I say sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 we are not trading Vilma for a guy who dresses up in customs when he speaks with the media, its not going to happen, mangini is not bringing in a big time star with a head like Clinton Portis, make my workds never going to happen. S'up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet27 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 No trading Vilma...you have to give him a chance to blend into the 3-4, he is a very good player. And NO to Portis...Turner is more of an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Turd Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 No, no, no. We need a fast outside pass rusher. Sack master! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangenious420 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 S'up Jetcane gets repped hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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L.S. Dylan Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 i'll take turner over portis and neither for vilma..maybe turner for the #26 but we need a DE and what not. I trust the front office to make the right decision in what can finally be a good offseason for this organization [besides last year] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jets22 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I would take either back for a 2nd round pick not for Vilma, don't think Turner is worth our #1, to much unproven there for a #1 pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangenious420 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I would take either back for a 2nd round pick not for Vilma, don't think Turner is worth our #1, to much unproven there for a #1 pick Agree, although i'd love to have him, I dont think we can afford to give a #1 pick up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I agree neither for our number one. Turner for one of our seconds, Portis I wouldn't give anything more then a 4th. He can't stay healthy. Vilma, I'm not sure about. If we got a top 15 pick in the 1st round I would do it. Otherwise keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny green balls Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I would take either back for a 2nd round pick not for Vilma, don't think Turner is worth our #1, to much unproven there for a #1 pick no less unproven than taking a college kid with that pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangenious420 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I agree neither for our number one. Turner for one of our seconds, Portis I wouldn't give anything more then a 4th. He can't stay healthy. Vilma, I'm not sure about. If we got a top 15 pick in the 1st round I would do it. Otherwise keep him. Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted January 9, 2007 Author Share Posted January 9, 2007 what exactly has Turner proven in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 what exactly has Turner proven in the NFL? What has a top-5 pick proven? What had JMac proven when we traded for him & many shouted out "good trade" b/c we couldn't get a guaranteed better player in that slot? At least Turner's somewhat of a known quantity to the Jets, since Scott coached on San Diego last year. I'm actually right there with CoachT. A 2nd rounder for him (which goes without saying that it means he gets Schott's endorsement) is ok. I'd also be ok with Michael Bush if he lasted that long. Also agree with CoachT on Portis. Not just the injury-prone history. But his contract is no bargain for someone who's proven unreliable: 20073500000.0020085048500.0020096627000.0020107690500.0020118754000.00 Not doubting Portis' talent, but he's just not durable. Ribs with Den, then he wasn't 100% his first year in Wash, then his shoulder & whatever else in '06. Plus it's not like 2-3 years ago. He's had a decent # of carries by now & before this contract is half-over you'll start to notice it in his play (probably). Get some fresh legs in here who will still be fast in his 5th year & won't cost 1/2 this much. Also agree on Vilma. I think we should be able to do better than #15 (if that's the way Mangini wants to go). I could deal with a little lower than that if it included another day one pick. Like #17 in rounds 1 and 3. Wouldn't nitpick too much over it. Unfortunately, Vilma just doesn't play like a first-round talent in the 3-4. If you can replace that with a first-round talent who does, why fight it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 The whole thing with Vilma is, maybe he can play good but the D-line is holding him back. Even if thats not the case, he runs the defense... a hard one to run... who do we have that can step into that role without our defense taking 2 steps back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 The whole thing with Vilma is, maybe he can play good but the D-line is holding him back. Even if thats not the case, he runs the defense... a hard one to run... who do we have that can step into that role without our defense taking 2 steps back? I do not fear the unknown. Which would be a better overall team? (and there is no right/wrong; it's all opinion & Mangini doesn't exactly ask for our counsel anyway): ILB Vilma OLB Hobson/new acquisition (A.Thomas/draft/etc) or ILB Hobson/Chatham OLB new acquisition (A.Thomas/draft/etc) HB Marshawn Lynch (and in either situation, still have 3 picks in first 2 rounds) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I do not fear the unknown. Which would be a better overall team? (and there is no right/wrong; it's all opinion & Mangini doesn't exactly ask for our counsel anyway): ILB Vilma OLB Hobson/new acquisition (A.Thomas/draft/etc) or ILB Hobson/Chatham OLB new acquisition (A.Thomas/draft/etc) HB Marshawn Lynch (and in either situation, still have 3 picks in first 2 rounds) I think that Vilma has more potential in the 3-4, thats all... he can be a playmaker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENSMACKS Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 YOU WANT THIS DUDE ON OUR TEAM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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