lawngnome o-line Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 By no means am I calling quits on the Jets this year, I'm hoping for the best since I don't want another 05' season to dread through. But for anybody whose curious to see whose out on the market in 08'. Keep in mind guys, some players (Bulger, Cooley, Boller..etc. signed extensions through 08'). But, this is a general idea of who could be out there after this season. http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=All&y=2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY JETS 29 Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 By no means am I calling quits on the Jets this year, I'm hoping for the best since I don't want another 05' season to dread through. But for anybody whose curious to see whose out on the market in 08'. Keep in mind guys, some players (Bulger, Cooley, Boller..etc. signed extensions through 08'). But, this is a general idea of who could be out there after this season. http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=All&y=2008 WAY TO SOON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Woo hoo! Ethan Albright is an UFA! **** me sideways with a lunchbox! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Woo hoo! Ethan Albright is an UFA! **** me sideways with a lunchbox! That bit was a classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 No reason we cannot get a upgrade at OG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Faneca!!! Do it!!!!! The defensive problems can be solved with the draft almost instantly, at guard faneca would be beyond awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Justin Smiley, Alan Faneca, Stacy Andrews (OT), Terrell Suggs. I want at least one of these guys. At least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Whats the bets that one of: Bruschi Vrabel R Gay C Scott E Wilson will be playing for the Jets in 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Justin Smiley, Alan Faneca, Stacy Andrews (OT), Terrell Suggs. I want at least one of these guys. At least. I also wouldnt mind seeing us take a look at Pat Williams, Bernard Berrian or also even David Akers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Justin Smiley, Alan Faneca, Stacy Andrews (OT), Terrell Suggs. I want at least one of these guys. At least. If Pittsburgh neither locks him up nor franchise-tags him, it's got to be Faneca. This franchise is in no condition to be dicking around with next-best-available talents in an effort to be cap clever. At his age (31 in December) he shouldn't break the bank quite as badly as he would have if he were a few years younger. But in this case, this player should get what he wants from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Justin Smiley, Alan Faneca, Stacy Andrews (OT), Terrell Suggs. I want at least one of these guys. At least. we need at least two of these guys. It is never too early to look at your team and upgrade. I want us to be the best we can be, but looking at the f.a.'s and draft i think we can put together something more competitive then what we have for the schemes Mangini is forcing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 we need at least two of these guys. It is never too early to look at your team and upgrade. I want us to be the best we can be, but looking at the f.a.'s and draft i think we can put together something more competitive then what we have for the schemes Mangini is forcing. This isnt madden, we cant just go crazy you know. Signing 2 of these guys is a crazy as signing bunch of stars like Randy Moss, Wes Welker or Adalius Thom..... .....Oh wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Okay, Ive now formulated the ideal offseason.... Trade Pennington and DRob away for some 330lb+ NT and a draft pick or two Sign Tony Romo to a 3 year deal Draft another good ILB Cut Hobson Move Vilma to the outside Draft a LG Perfect.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Okay, Ive now formulated the ideal offseason.... Trade Pennington and DRob away for some 330lb+ NT and a draft pick or two Sign Tony Romo to a 3 year deal Draft another good ILB Cut Hobson Move Vilma to the outside Draft a LG Perfect.... And Hobson's a UFA after this year. No cutting required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 And Hobson's a UFA after this year. No cutting required. What's wrong with moving Vilma to the outside... He's a better fit at OLB than at ILB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 What's wrong with moving Vilma to the outside... He's a better fit at OLB than at ILB. If you think he's having trouble with 230-lb fullbacks and 290-300-lb OG's, what do you think will happen when he's up against a 320-lb OT with even better mobility & who outweighs him by just about a full 100 lbs? A 3-4 OLB should be the size of a 4-3 DE, not the size of a safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 If you think he's having trouble with 230-lb fullbacks and 290-300-lb OG's, what do you think will happen when he's up against a 320-lb OT with even better mobility & who outweighs him by just about a full 100 lbs? A 3-4 OLB should be the size of a 4-3 DE, not the size of a safety. Did you see Vilma blitz between the tackles and get flicked to the ground by the Bills Left Tackle a couple weeks ago? The LT swatted him like a gnat with 1 hand and went right back to blocking the defensive end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green_blood Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 I wish Vilma the best of luck on his next team. I like to be an optimist, but the Jets will be in the top 15 draft picks. Would he be the "Mangini" ILB that is more than "character"? Is there a true NT that can make a difference in the draft? Impact O line? There are A LOT of questions that are to be answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman88 Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 I wish Vilma the best of luck on his next team. I like to be an optimist, but the Jets will be in the top 15 draft picks. Would he be the "Mangini" ILB that is more than "character"? Is there a true NT that can make a difference in the draft? Impact O line? There are A LOT of questions that are to be answered. Theres no NT for us to draft no matter what pick we get this year. However we should definitely draft Chris Long the DE out of Virginia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaged89 Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Derrick Harvey would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Faneca instantly vaults the left side of the line to top 5 in the league. We'd be idiots not to jump all over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Faneca instantly vaults the left side of the line to top 5 in the league. We'd be idiots not to jump all over that. Damn right, he'd also do wonders in developing Brick alongside him. Suggs would probably answer our pass rushing problems but I do think hes a bit overated. Id really like the look of pat Williams in our D. The Guy is beyond a beast but again a little undesized for 3-4 NT. In the draft I expect us to go defence again, We should leave the secondary and concentrate on bulking up that front 7. I also am not a big fan of Ellis in the 3-4, hes good for 1 or 2 big plays a game and then gets pushed around the rest of the game. Similar to D-rob, but I would love to see us give him a shot at 3-4 end, he is perfect for it physically and it shouldnt be too much problem adjusting. Heres my ideal Jets D next year, of course it isnt anyway complete: RE:Coleman-have liked him so far, hes the only one on that D-line who doesnt get blown away every other play LE:-Rob-Far too small to be a 3-4 NT but could be incredibly effective as an end in this system, I think its something for Mangini to consider NT:?????-dunno, we need someone who wont get pushed backwards and that will demand double teams, not too easy to find. OLB-Bryan Thomas by default, not a fan but who else is there. Suggs,Vilmas trade aqquisition??? MLB-Harris MLB-Draft Pick (normally good rookie LB's available) OLB-Hobson- this guy is so much better in a 3-4 its unbleivable CB1- Revis CB2- Dyson if he can bounce back, if not position needsto be addressed and Dyson can play Nickel SS-Eric Smith-I like him every time I see him, which isnt often enough FS-I dunno, that kid Rhodes is pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Damn right, he'd also do wonders in developing Brick alongside him. Suggs would probably answer our pass rushing problems but I do think hes a bit overated. Id really like the look of pat Williams in our D. The Guy is beyond a beast but again a little undesized for 3-4 NT. In the draft I expect us to go defence again, We should leave the secondary and concentrate on bulking up that front 7. I also am not a big fan of Ellis in the 3-4, hes good for 1 or 2 big plays a game and then gets pushed around the rest of the game. Similar to D-rob, but I would love to see us give him a shot at 3-4 end, he is perfect for it physically and it shouldnt be too much problem adjusting. Heres my ideal Jets D next year, of course it isnt anyway complete: RE:Coleman-have liked him so far, hes the only one on that D-line who doesnt get blown away every other play LE:-Rob-Far too small to be a 3-4 NT but could be incredibly effective as an end in this system, I think its something for Mangini to consider NT:?????-dunno, we need someone who wont get pushed backwards and that will demand double teams, not too easy to find. OLB-Bryan Thomas by default, not a fan but who else is there. Suggs,Vilmas trade aqquisition??? MLB-Harris MLB-Draft Pick (normally good rookie LB's available) OLB-Hobson- this guy is so much better in a 3-4 its unbleivable CB1- Revis CB2- Dyson if he can bounce back, if not position needsto be addressed and Dyson can play Nickel SS-Eric Smith-I like him every time I see him, which isnt often enough FS-I dunno, that kid Rhodes is pretty good. Not bad ideas all around. a round-1-quality pass rusher (which we unfortunately look like we'll be in a position to grab) rounds 2-3 depends who's ranked where, but any of: NT (if someone emerges), ILB2, RT. If the FO has the balls to move JV we could end up with three pretty high picks. Despite the disgust of many here, I do think someone might give up a 2nd-rounder (if they had a true need to fill the position of course) It's hard to really target a position by round. It really depends on how the prospects look & how the draft unfolds. If we end up with a pick around #15, I wouldn't want to reach for a guy expected to go 15 picks later b/c we're desperate and we're afraid of missing out on that player in round 2. Impossible to call right now b/c we don't know how the prospects will look in the winter/spring & have no idea where we're picking anyway. I'd be a little nervous starting two rookie LB'ers, but then I'd be more nervous if we returned with this defense again anyway. Grabbing a top OG - preferably THE top OG - is not even a question. I am so on board with going after Faneca, I'm wetting myself at the thought. I'd like to see what Bender has by later this year, otherwise that needs to be addressed as well. If Moore is the weakest link, this line is plenty solid. NT is the key, and unfortunately a really good one suitable for the 3-4 is not something you just go out & get. There simply aren't any. No one wants to see a mid-round rookie at NT next year or DRob/Pouha Part Deux. Like your plan overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Okay, Ive updated my ideal offseason.... Sign Romo (3-5 year contract) Package Penny and DRob to a 4-3 base team that has a mauler NT and a round 4/5 draft pick. Draft an ILB and a LG -- (keep Vilma until you have signed/drafted a replacement) Re-sign hobson Once we draft an ILB that can take over immediately, trade Vilma and Ellis for a big DE and a solid CB to take over Barret's spot and create competition for Dyson and Revis. Much better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Okay, Ive now formulated the ideal offseason.... Trade Pennington and DRob away for some 330lb+ NT and a draft pick or two Sign Tony Romo to a 3 year deal Draft another good ILB Cut Hobson Move Vilma to the outside Draft a LG Perfect.... Perfect? Vilma to the outside is a joke... how about we trade Vilma for a draft pick and sign some LBs that weigh 255+ to play ILB/OLB in the 3-4 the way it was meant to be played. Anyone with a 330+ lb NT is not going to give them up for Penny and DRob, otherwise they would be volunteering to be next year's version of this year's Jets. Hobson can play in the 3-4, he's not a stud, but he is one of the few guys we have on D that plays his position well. We don't need to sign Romo, he is a product of having TO, and a GREAT O-line with a GREAT RUNNING GAME. WE COULD USE BOTH OF THOSE THOUGH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 The 2008 Off-season, IMO Re-structure Pennington's contract and make him a permanent fixture as our #2. It would be like having an additional QB coach on the payroll. Pennington's greatest asset is him football knowledge, if he can impart any of that knowledge onto Kellen it'll make Kellen that much better. I personally would like to see Chad retire a Jet, he's a good guy, its too bad his physical tools have always held him back. Free agency needs to be taken seriously this year. The first 2 years with Tanney and Eric they were very conservative, however this upcoming year there will be some considerable FA's that can help this team reach the next phase of their rebuild. Some of those players include: Terrell Suggs, Mike Vrabel. I hate Vrabel, but could you imagine Bryan Thoma and Terrell Suggs at OLB, and Vrabel and David Harris at ILB? Obviously the big name missing here is Jonathan Vilma, yes a fan favorite, but I am a bigger fan of winning than I am of Vilma. He needs to be traded away, for his own good and the good of the Jets. Albert Haynesworth and Pat Williams are probably the biggest guys that are expected to be available, and I don't know whether they can play NT. But if they can, then its time to replace DRob. He should also be traded, for whatever we can get for him. I think free agency is where we address our defense. Why? Playing the 3-4 well requires experienced football players, not rookies. The Draft should provide plenty of opportunities for the Jets to improve their offense. If we end up with a top 10 pick then we need to spend the pick on our trenches, ideally a NT (if the FA market doesn't provide this) or an O-lineman. Linemen are far less likely to be busts, and can usually start right away when drafted that early. This covers the QB situation, the front 7 and the O-line. The 3 reasons we are losing games right now. Our secondary is not as bad as they look right now, success in the secondary of a 3-4 defense is tied directly to the front 7. If we have a pass rush, we will have good play from our secondary... the two are intrinsically tied to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 If you think he's having trouble with 230-lb fullbacks and 290-300-lb OG's, what do you think will happen when he's up against a 320-lb OT with even better mobility & who outweighs him by just about a full 100 lbs? A 3-4 OLB should be the size of a 4-3 DE, not the size of a safety. Does anyone think Vilma could move to strong safety. Is he fast enough. Could he be a sack specialist coming in on blitzing packages. I hate to get rid of a guy with so much talent. He is just killing us in this defense scheme though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 By no means am I calling quits on the Jets this year, I'm hoping for the best since I don't want another 05' season to dread through. But for anybody whose curious to see whose out on the market in 08'. Keep in mind guys, some players (Bulger, Cooley, Boller..etc. signed extensions through 08'). But, this is a general idea of who could be out there after this season. http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=All&y=2008 That Brad Kassel looks like a keeper!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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