Scott Dierking Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 if his location is off he would get burned nl/al whatteva ANY pitcher, if his location is off will get burned, regardless of what league they are in. Let's just drop this, because there does not seem to be a point here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted November 9, 2007 Author Share Posted November 9, 2007 ANY pitcher, if his location is off will get burned, regardless of what league they are in. Let's just drop this, because there does not seem to be a point here. I would say that a finesse type pitcher is more prone to get the ball rocked then a power pitcher whose fast ball has some movement on it. Example...Jamie Moyer vs Josh Beckett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 brad penny can throw 100+ That's awesome. But we were talking in the context of the current Yankees roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 That's awesome. But we were talking in the context of the current Yankees roster. ok kyle farnsorth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 I would say that a finesse type pitcher is more prone to get the ball rocked then a power pitcher whose fast ball has some movement on it. Example...Jamie Moyer vs Josh Beckett Of course that is true. Any pitch with movement is less apt to be centered. Also, if any pitcher can not locate, he will get hit. How this all relates back to the poinct that CH was making regarding AL vs NL, is anybodies guess. That is why I tried to duck out of the discussion, it was going nowhere, with no point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 Of course that is true. Any pitch with movement is less apt to be centered. Also, if any pitcher can not locate, he will get hit. How this all relates back to the poinct that CH was making regarding AL vs NL, is anybodies guess. That is why I tried to duck out of the discussion, it was going nowhere, with no point. there aren't a lot of elite hitters in NL. and NL hitters are also more aggressive. simply put its easier to hit a ball that is coming at you 85 mph than hitting a ball at 100+ mph i dont know how to explain any better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 ryan howard leads the league in HR and Strike outs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 there aren't a lot of elite hitters in NL. and NL hitters are also more aggressive. simply put its easier to hit a ball that is coming at you 85 mph than hitting a ball at 100+ mph i dont know how to explain any better Hmmmmm... 7 of the top ten batters in most strikeouts are from the AL. 6 of the top ten hitters in OPS are from the NL. This is still going nowehere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 ryan howard leads the league in HR and Strike outs Actually, Prince Fielder led the league in HRs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 randy johnson dominated the weak NL and AL hitters gave him a beating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 Hmmmmm... 7 of the top ten batters in most strikeouts are from the AL. 6 of the top ten hitters in OPS are from the NL. This is still going nowehere. so you saying that NL=AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 so you saying that NL=AL Basically, i am correcting all teh inaccuracies you have said here. Its a tough job, but someone had to do it. Madmike should hire you as a researcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 randy johnson dominated the weak NL and AL hitters gave him a beating You don't make a lot of sense or maybe we are just misunderstanding what the hell your point is. Randy Johnson had years in the AL with Seattle where he went 20-4 and 18-2. He also had a 3.79 ERA along with 17 wins his 1st Yankee season. Randy broke down and got old as Clemens did. This forum has long ago agreed that NL rosters offensively are built different than AL rosters. Pitchers should do better in the NL but to say they also haven't or could not dominate in the AL is ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 You don't make a lot of sense or maybe we are just misunderstanding what the hell your point is. Randy Johnson had years in the AL with Seattle where he went 20-4 and 18-2. He also had a 3.79 ERA along with 17 wins his 1st Yankee season. Randy broke down and got old as Clemens did. This forum has long ago agreed that NL rosters offensively are built different than AL rosters. Pitchers should do better in the NL but to say they also haven't or could not dominate in the AL is ignorant. Peavy in the AL would be nowhere near as good as he is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 Peavy in the AL would be nowhere near as good as he is now. Based on what? The guy has filthy stuff that would translate to either league. His ERA would rise some due to the way AL line-ups are built but he's right up there with the Bedard's, Johan's etc stuff wise. We've been through this b4 with Beckett yet still you guys make these baseless statements. He has a 3.19 ERA against the AL in 17 games with almost a strikeout per inning. Peavy reminds me of David Cone who sure didn't have any issues with switching over to the big bad AL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 Based on what? The guy has filthy stuff that would translate to either league. His ERA would rise some due to the way AL line-ups are built but he's right up there with the Bedard's, Johan's etc stuff wise. We've been through this b4 with Beckett yet still you guys make these baseless statements. He has a 3.19 ERA against the AL in 17 games with almost a strikeout per inning. Peavy reminds me of David Cone who sure didn't have any issues with switching over to the big bad AL. Beckett had one bad year in the AL and one very good. Its not baseless, the AL is the superior league, sorry if that bothers you. ANd Peavy isnt as good as Beckett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 Beckett had one bad year in the AL and one very good. Its not baseless, the AL is the superior league, sorry if that bothers you. ANd Peavy isnt as good as Beckett. Teams are constructed differently.....been through this way too many times. Anyway, you back both your Peavy statements with nothing except a you say so. Not really much to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 Beckett had one bad year in the AL and one very good. Its not baseless, the AL is the superior league, sorry if that bothers you. ANd Peavy isnt as good as Beckett. No he's not as good. he's better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 Beckett had one bad year in the AL and one very good. Its not baseless, the AL is the superior league, sorry if that bothers you. ANd Peavy isnt as good as Beckett. umm no offense but i'd take peavy over beckett easily when it comes to 30-35 starts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 As I've stated in the past, most Asian pitchers don't pan out as stars...Nomo (if you consider him a star) has had the most success. dicek will change that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 No he's not as good. he's better. Your fag stats dont mean anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Your fag stats dont mean anything. And you being so stupid that the only way you can argue is to insult people doesn't either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 ladies lets calm down here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted November 11, 2007 Author Share Posted November 11, 2007 dicek will change that No he won't...gyro ball? What a joke. This game has been played for almost 150 years and this guy has the first gyro ball...LOL. Teams will catch up to this guy in a hurry...mark it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 No he won't...gyro ball? What a joke. This game has been played for almost 150 years and this guy has the first gyro ball...LOL. Teams will catch up to this guy in a hurry...mark it down. DiceK will be DOMINANT in 08 im talking 215 innings, 1.050 WHIP, 2.85 ERA, 200 K, 15-20 wins and half the losses. pains me to say that, i hope i'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 DiceK will be DOMINANT in 08 im talking 215 innings, 1.050 WHIP, 2.85 ERA, 200 K, 15-20 wins and half the losses. pains me to say that, i hope i'm wrong. What the hell is that based on. He wasn't even that good in Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 What the hell is that based on. He wasn't even that good in Japan. I pro-rated his 1998 high school statistics using Bill James' special Japanese translation formula you've never done this before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 I pro-rated his 1998 high school statistics using Bill James' special Japanese translation formula you've never done this before? ok so it's based on nothing. carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 ok so it's based on nothing. carry on. how is that difference from your projections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 how is that difference from your projections? I don't make projections. I give my opinion based on hard information. You are just talking out of your a**. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 The Yankees pitchers this coming season should be.... 1. Wang 2. Hughes 3. Pettite 4. Kennedy 5. Mussina/Joba/FA MRP: Farenesworth, Edwar Ramirez, FA CP: Mo/Joba the 5th starting spot should be up for grabs regardless of what happens this offseason and the CP depends on what MO officially decides to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Basically, i am correcting all teh inaccuracies you have said here. Its a tough job, but someone had to do it. Madmike should hire you as a researcher. so your the stat boy! i've been lookin all over for yo a$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 so your the stat boy! i've been lookin all over for yo a$$ nah he's just the ******* everyone hates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 nah he's just the ******* everyone hates. Not to be a complete dick, but now that DWC is gone, you are the one that everyone hates. Chad is moving up quickly, so keep your fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Agreed all the fan mail was about DWC. Mike and Chad were 2nd and 3rd. Shouldn't be that hard to just get along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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