McFadden: MERGED

[bobbyjet69]

Just thought I would pour some gasoline on the fire by posting this.

YUP!!

[villain_the_foe]

Night on the town?

and "set at QB in 2000" with Testy and LUCAS!!!

lmao! That doesnt make sense does it. In 2000 testy was like 50 years young. lmao. And with Ray lucas, when ever he was in the game we only got to see flashes of what college football plays looked like.

[Patsyfan]

it doesnt matter because the jets have no chance of beating the pats! perusuit of perfection 08 style baby! this time were getting it done!

[slats]

We're in slow motion on offense, except when leon washington's in the game, and in that situation the defense knows were we're going.

I just believe that we're in a situation where we can get the Wide receiver that we need if we trade that pick. We could easily sent that pick to cincy for Chad. They need a RB as well as a WR and a defensive player. They have the need for the pick like we have the need for a WR (this is JUST an example). Im just saying that we need a special type of WR to open up our running game and give Kellen a chance to show his arm. I get the feeling that if we dont do this then we're going to lose kellen, and just like everyone else we give away, he's going to go to a team in the f-ing AFC that has the tools and he's going to torch us for the next 10 years. Im getting tired of seeing this Jets team lose. We spent the money this year for the positions that we had problems at. In order for those positions to show true (example the O-line) we need a threat....plain and simple.

I don't disagree with you about the lack of top end WR talent on this team, I just don't see it coming. I can't imagine the Jets trading the #6 for Chad Johnson. If they could put together some sort of deal involving DRob, that would be awesome - but that's a pipedream, too.

Rookie WR's take time to develop, and the talent pool is thin this year. Realistically, you have to hope that Smith, Stuckey, and/or Wallace step it up this year. I'd draft a WR where one represents value. There's a couple I'd love in the second and, if not, they gotta take one in the fourth. But it's probably up to the guys already on the team to make a difference.

If DMC is there, I realize he doesn't fix the WR problem all by himself, but he definitely adds explosiveness to the offense. If you run him in a two back set with Jones, there'll be less attention paid to the WR's, and something will open up. Little Schottie took a step back as a coordinator last year, IMHO, but maybe that was a lack of talent really shining thru. Unfortunately, we have to have a little faith that with a better OL, and a little more experience at QB, that the offense won't look like it's stuck in quicksand this year.

Don't mistake me for being completely sold on DMC, either. I'm far from it. However, I could definitely see him being the BAP when the Jets are on the clock.

If we cant move from #6 then of course we take the best player in the draft, that doesnt mean that they cant trade him. Look what San Diego did with Eli Manning. They knew that Eli didnt want to play for them, he wanted a big market. they said "OK", instead of just letting him pass, pick him up, get the guy we want anyway and also get another pick for him. Every team in the NFL has given McFadden a serious look, not everyone has the #6 spot though. We need to be smart.

San Diego was in a unique situation. They had already had trade talks with the jints that had fallen thru, said "**** it!" and drafted Eli anyway. It worked out for them because of Ernie Accorsi's raging hard-on for Manning, but it was still an amazingly ballsy move. If I were the jints, I'd've taken Roethlisberger and told SD to have a nice life. They'd've been screwed. That ploy will fail 99 times out of 100, which is why you don't see other teams drafting players just to trade them.

So yeah, I agree, they need to be smart. The Jets need to either trade out of the pick, or take a player they plan to put to use.

[shodan9999]

Jets swooning over Darren McFadden

BY RICH CIMINI

DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Friday, April 18th 2008, 12:17 AM

The Jets, who have the No. 6 pick in this year's NFL draft, are showing a lot of interest in Darren McFadden (c.).

The Jets can't get enough of Darren McFadden. Team officials have met with the dynamic running back at least three times in the past month, including a night on the town.

McFadden, who made an official pre-draft visit to Hofstra on Wednesday, was escorted by team officials to dinner and to a boxing event at the Hammerstein Ballroom in Manhattan. He was introduced to boxing analyst Teddy Atlas, a Jets' special assistant.

It may seem like the Jets are trying to impress McFadden - shouldn't it be the other way around? - but it's actually part of a thorough background check. If they select him with the No. 6 pick in the April 26 draft, they want to be certain his off-the-field problems at Arkansas (two nightclub altercations and paternity issues) don't undermine their investment.

GM Mike Tannenbaum, more tight-lipped than usual, refused to shed any light on the matter yesterday in his annual pre-draft news conference.

"We're collecting information right now," Tannenbaum said.

McFadden and/or pass rusher Vernon Gholston (Ohio State) could be available for the Jets, who need playmakers on both sides of the ball. McFadden is generally regarded as the better prospect, but the character issue could make it a toss-up.

A month ago, the Jets dispatched running backs coach Jimmy Raye to Arkansas to meet with McFadden and to test his football aptitude in the classroom. Separately, Tannenbaum made a special trip, attending McFadden's Pro Day. The Jets, coming off a 4-12 disaster, can't afford to blow this pick. They will have to pay the sixth pick about $20 million in guarantees.

"I really don't want to get too specific on (the character issue), but I will say this: We've talked with him and he's a great person to talk to," said Joey Clinkscales, the Jets' director of college scouting. "We've done our homework. If that's the pick we choose to make, we will be comfortable with that decision."

On the field, McFadden is "a fantastic football player," according to Clinkscales. Mike Mayock, the NFL Network's draft analyst, believes the Jets should stay clear of McFadden because "I don't think the kid could survive in New York."

League sources believe the Jets are targeting McFadden and Gholston, privately hoping that defensive end Chris Long (Virginia) somehow slips to them. The drama will increase if quarterback Matt Ryan (Boston College) somehow gets past the Falcons (third pick) and the Chiefs (fifth).

With an unsettled quarterback situation, Tannenbaum refused to rule out the possibility of drafting a quarterback. He mentioned the 2000 draft, when the Jets used a first-round pick on Chad Pennington even though they appeared set with Vinny Testaverde and Ray Lucas.

Many have been negative about us havng pick #6....for trade up purpose it may turn out to be one of the best picks in the draft....if certain players fall...we might need more than 10 minutes to field the offers !

[Gastineau Lives]

Yup ! The next Reggie Bush.

Darren McFadden and Reggie Bush are not the same player. It's a dopey game you play when you compare two players at the same position and base your assessment of that player on that comparison.

As for McFadden not "running over people", he doesn't need to, defenders rarely get a clean shot on him, even in heavy traffic he has a way of avoiding direct contact.

I'm not personally guaranteeing his success in the NFL, but I think he can be a very good player and (potentially) can change your whole offense in an instant. If any high draft pick is a "risk" then this is one I think is worth taking, because the upside is so high, way higher than anything Vernon Gholston can do for your defense. Here are his numbers: http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2007&org=518&player=50

One guy was the second leading rusher in history in the toughest conference in College Football. The other had TWO TACKLES AGAINST AKRON and thirty seven tackles FOR THE WHOLE SEASON (thats about 2.8 tackles a game)

BUT WHY TRUST RESULTS?

Oh wait, I forgot...he BENCH PRESSES REAL GOOD.

[Favorite_Toon]

Notice Mendenhall lowering his body upon contact...something you'll never see Julius Jones, I mean Darren McFadden do.

27cxAs7mGSs

one yeaR STARTER

[#27TheDominator]

Darren McFadden and Reggie Bush are not the same player. It's a dopey game you play when you compare two players at the same position and base your assessment of that player on that comparison.

As for McFadden not "running over people", he doesn't need to, defenders rarely get a clean shot on him, even in heavy traffic he has a way of avoiding direct contact.

I'm not personally guaranteeing his success in the NFL, but I think he can be a very good player and (potentially) can change your whole offense in an instant. If any high draft pick is a "risk" then this is one I think is worth taking, because the upside is so high, way higher than anything Vernon Gholston can do for your defense. Here are his numbers: http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2007&org=518&player=50

One guy was the second leading rusher in history in the toughest conference in College Football. The other had TWO TACKLES AGAINST AKRON and thirty seven tackles FOR THE WHOLE SEASON (thats about 2.8 tackles a game)

BUT WHY TRUST RESULTS?

Oh wait, I forgot...he BENCH PRESSES REAL GOOD.

If Favorite Toon is going to double post this, I'll do the same. Only thing the guy does is "bench press real good"?

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2008_nfl_draft/vernon-gholston.htm

Gholston set the school record with 14 sacks in 2007 and had 22.5 sacks over his career at Ohio State. He makes plays against the run as well as he had 15.5 tackles for loss amounting 113 lost yards for the opposition and held opponents to –41 yards on running plays directed at him.

Sounds like results to me.

We all know that college results are not a good gauge of draft prospects. I find it amusing that somebody calling themselves "Gastineau Lives" would post this. What were Mark's stats at NAIA powerhouse East Central State? How many tackles did he get against Akron?

[NY JET 29]

I also feel Mcfadden will prove alot just considering how he grew up, and stuff. It seems the players who had tough childhoods play every game like there re- living their bad times, and it always makes them succedd.

[bobbyjet69]

it doesnt matter because the jets have no chance of beating the pats! perusuit of perfection 08 style baby! this time were getting it done!

would you like a glass of water?

Sometimes those dry pretzels make you.... CHOKE!!!!!!!

[Gastineau Lives]

If Favorite Toon is going to double post this, I'll do the same. Only thing the guy does is "bench press real good"?

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2008_nfl_draft/vernon-gholston.htm

Sounds like results to me.

We all know that college results are not a good gauge of draft prospects. I find it amusing that somebody calling themselves "Gastineau Lives" would post this. What were Mark's stats at NAIA powerhouse East Central State? How many tackles did he get against Akron?

He had seven sacks in two games. What about the other eleven games? Are you honestly telling me that Vernon Gholston has had a better college career and showed more on a football field than Darren McFadden? Tell me you are not saying that.

As for "he bench presses real good", it was an ironic use of bad grammar to characterize what I feel is a moronic trend developing around the NFL combine. How's that for an explanation?

I'm not saying that Vernon Gholston is definitely a bust or McFadden is going to be a star, the draft is inherently about taking risks and I feel that we would be best served by taking a risk on a potential superstar that touches the ball twenty to thirty times a game. I also feel that the offense is WAY behind the Defense and if you look at the numbers they back me up. Over the period after the bye, the Jets were in the top five in scoring defense giving up 18.3 points a game. They went 3-4 with two of those wins coming against two of the five worst teams in football and they needed OVERTIME to beat the Chiefs and the DEFENSE won the game against the Dolphins. If I'm taking a risk, I'm rolling with the potential OFFENSIVE superstar.

If you'd rather play "smart" football and try to win every game with thirteen play drives with the score being 17-14 or 14-10, then good luck playing THAT game.

For all of you who think that we need a devastating pass rush to beat the Pats and that all you have to do is clone the Giants, well again, good luck trying to win 17-14 and have a guy catch a ball with his head as being the pivotal play. But remember, the Giants also gave up 38 points to them the first time they played and if they played again, I'd say the result would be the same. Anybody with a crystal ball want to prove me wrong?

[Vudu]

He had seven sacks in two games. What about the other eleven games? Are you honestly telling me that Vernon Gholston has had a better college career and showed more on a football field than Darren McFadden? Tell me you are not saying that.

As for "he bench presses real good", it was an ironic use of bad grammar to characterize what I feel is a moronic trend developing around the NFL combine. How's that for an explanation?

I'm not saying that Vernon Gholston is definitely a bust or McFadden is going to be a star, the draft is inherently about taking risks and I feel that we would be best served by taking a risk on a potential superstar that touches the ball twenty to thirty times a game. I also feel that the offense is WAY behind the Defense and if you look at the numbers they back me up. Over the period after the bye, the Jets were in the top five in scoring defense giving up 18.3 points a game. They went 3-4 with two of those wins coming against two of the five worst teams in football and they needed OVERTIME to beat the Chiefs and the DEFENSE won the game against the Dolphins. If I'm taking a risk, I'm rolling with the potential OFFENSIVE superstar.

If you'd rather play "smart" football and try to win every game with thirteen play drives with the score being 17-14 or 14-10, then good luck playing THAT game.

For all of you who think that we need a devastating pass rush to beat the Pats and that all you have to do is clone the Giants, well again, good luck trying to win 17-14 and have a guy catch a ball with his head as being the pivotal play. But remember, the Giants also gave up 38 points to them the first time they played and if they played again, I'd say the result would be the same. Anybody with a crystal ball want to prove me wrong?

[JonEJet]

McFadden was dominant in the SEC

That's good enough for me

I am at the point I will be happy with any of the Big 6 or 7

[Favorite_Toon]

He had seven sacks in two games. What about the other eleven games? Are you honestly telling me that Vernon Gholston has had a better college career and showed more on a football field than Darren McFadden? Tell me you are not saying that.

As for "he bench presses real good", it was an ironic use of bad grammar to characterize what I feel is a moronic trend developing around the NFL combine. How's that for an explanation?

I'm not saying that Vernon Gholston is definitely a bust or McFadden is going to be a star, the draft is inherently about taking risks and I feel that we would be best served by taking a risk on a potential superstar that touches the ball twenty to thirty times a game. I also feel that the offense is WAY behind the Defense and if you look at the numbers they back me up. Over the period after the bye, the Jets were in the top five in scoring defense giving up 18.3 points a game. They went 3-4 with two of those wins coming against two of the five worst teams in football and they needed OVERTIME to beat the Chiefs and the DEFENSE won the game against the Dolphins. If I'm taking a risk, I'm rolling with the potential OFFENSIVE superstar.

If you'd rather play "smart" football and try to win every game with thirteen play drives with the score being 17-14 or 14-10, then good luck playing THAT game.

For all of you who think that we need a devastating pass rush to beat the Pats and that all you have to do is clone the Giants, well again, good luck trying to win 17-14 and have a guy catch a ball with his head as being the pivotal play. But remember, the Giants also gave up 38 points to them the first time they played and if they played again, I'd say the result would be the same. Anybody with a crystal ball want to prove me wrong?

That was a great post and impossible for these guys to come back with anything smart to say... that was probaly the exclamtion point on this whole conversation..

[JonEJet]

just want a solid player at this point

Put it this way....If right now we were guaranteed a D'Brick like player (average thusfar, but no bust) i would jump at it

It's what we do later in the draft that is important (ie Washington, Rhodes, Coles, Cotch) The nucleus of the team is made up of less costly picks, that turn out to be studs

[#27TheDominator]

He had seven sacks in two games. What about the other eleven games? Are you honestly telling me that Vernon Gholston has had a better college career and showed more on a football field than Darren McFadden? Tell me you are not saying that.

As for "he bench presses real good", it was an ironic use of bad grammar to characterize what I feel is a moronic trend developing around the NFL combine. How's that for an explanation?

I'm not saying that Vernon Gholston is definitely a bust or McFadden is going to be a star, the draft is inherently about taking risks and I feel that we would be best served by taking a risk on a potential superstar that touches the ball twenty to thirty times a game. I also feel that the offense is WAY behind the Defense and if you look at the numbers they back me up. Over the period after the bye, the Jets were in the top five in scoring defense giving up 18.3 points a game. They went 3-4 with two of those wins coming against two of the five worst teams in football and they needed OVERTIME to beat the Chiefs and the DEFENSE won the game against the Dolphins. If I'm taking a risk, I'm rolling with the potential OFFENSIVE superstar.

If you'd rather play "smart" football and try to win every game with thirteen play drives with the score being 17-14 or 14-10, then good luck playing THAT game.

For all of you who think that we need a devastating pass rush to beat the Pats and that all you have to do is clone the Giants, well again, good luck trying to win 17-14 and have a guy catch a ball with his head as being the pivotal play. But remember, the Giants also gave up 38 points to them the first time they played and if they played again, I'd say the result would be the same. Anybody with a crystal ball want to prove me wrong?

Rational post. I don't have a problem with you liking McFadden better than Gholston. I'd probably be happy with either, but I think I trust Gholston not to be a bust more than DMC. They are both elite athletes, but IMO DMC seems skinny and is not a real bruiser. Whether Gholston ends up being a monster or merely a high quality situational pass rusher may remain to be seen, but I think that he will be an excellent pass rusher at a minimum and that is something a premium is put in around the league.

I agree the Jets probably need more O than D. Picking at 6 you'd like a guy with no real question marks. In all honesty a top QB would probably be a much bigger help than a back OR pass rusher, but picking at 6 you want an elite athlete and while Ryan may be a smart pick if you get a guy that high you prefer one with a cannon.

You are absolutely right that we won't know about any of them for a few years without a crystal ball. If we want a guy who will probably be fine with no holes we'd probably be hoping for Jake Long to fall and play RT. I don't think anybody is looking forward to that. Chris Long doesn't play stand up and isn't big enough for a prototype 3-4 DE.

Sorry if my response was harsh. If you are just defending DMC's question marks against Gholston's it's fair enough, but if you are trying to say you can somehow know for sure that Gholston will be bust (like Toon in his thread quoting your post and others) you are nuts. PS If you think he "disappeared" in those other games check his youtube highlights against LSU. No stats, but he still looked like a beast and really wreaked havoc.

[NY JET 29]

Before the last commercial on sportscenter they said there gonna talk to darren about how he overcame his mom on drugs, 11 siblings, and living in a gang area.

[Vudu]

Matt Ryan= Overrated.

[NY JET 29]

Matt Ryan= Overrated.

DARREN MCFADDEN= FUTURE NYJ STAR

[Vudu]

ITA!! ^^^^^^^^^^^

[NY JET 29]

ITA!! ^^^^^^^^^^^

I'm sorry what does ITA mean?

[Vudu]

I'm sorry what does ITA mean?

ITA= I Totally agree!

[NY JET 29]

ITA= I Totally agree!

Alright I understand.

GO DMC!!!!!!

[Favorite_Toon]

Why McFadden over Bush?

"[McFadden] will run inside, and he's bigger," Casserly said. "He's not a power back, but when I watch him, there's no reluctance to run inside. At times, he'll miss the hole, but I've seen him lower his shoulder and knock a safety or linebacker back. He has more production against better teams than Bush. Pac-10 defenses weren't very good. [McFadden] has played in the SEC against the best college teams in the country and he's been productive over a three-year period. I think that's the clear difference."

There's no doubt in McFadden's mind. "I feel like I'm the best player in the draft," McFadden said at the scouting combine. "I can do a lot of different things. I can go out there and line up at receiver, I can line up in the backfield and block, line up back there and run, I can throw a pass if you need me to. If I had to, I could play defense."

That won't be necessary. The only thing McFadden has to do now is run. Jets fans hope they get the chance to see it happen. But if Baldinger is right, it could be Blair Thomas all over again.

[Favorite_Toon]

This is such a great piece... its not pro mcfadden like you think..its goes in deep about his off the field issues...

Great video from espn..

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?&brand=null&videoId=3348549&n8pe6c=2

[NY JET 29]

This is such a great piece... its not pro mcfadden like you think..its goes in deep about his off the field issues...

Great video from espn..

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?&brand=null&videoId=3348549&n8pe6c=2

I saw it when it was on ESPN. He truly is a warrior.

[Vudu]

I hope he sticks to his word and behaves himself.

[RSJ]

This is such a great piece... its not pro mcfadden like you think..its goes in deep about his off the field issues...

Great video from espn..

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?&brand=null&videoId=3348549&n8pe6c=2

Are you his agent?

[InstantClassic]

Are you his agent?

No, just his sugar daddy.

[bobbyjet69]

Are you his agent?

No, His press agent! DMC owes Favorite Loon alot of money if the Jets take him!!

[Favorite_Toon]

No, His press agent! DMC owes Favorite Loon alot of money if the Jets take him!!

Whys that? its not like the jets Front office is reading these boards..

[bobbyjet69]

Whys that? its not like the jets Front office is reading these boards..

Bro, the way your pounding him! The gods gotto be hearing it!

[#27TheDominator]

One thing that interests me about McFadden is that he seems to just blast into the hole. That's mostly from highlights, but he looks like he makes up his mind about the hole and hits it hard. That's often the problem with young backs coming into the NFL. They tend to jitterbug and look for the hole instead of being decisive. Sometimes backs grow out of it and sometimes they don't (Thomas Jones). It'll be interesting to see if he keeps up like that at the next level.

[bobbyjet69]

One thing that interests me about McFadden is that he seems to just blast into the hole. That's mostly from highlights, but he looks like he makes up his mind about the hole and hits it hard. That's often the problem with young backs coming into the NFL. They tend to jitterbug and look for the hole instead of being decisive. Sometimes backs grow out of it and sometimes they don't (Thomas Jones). It'll be interesting to see if he keeps up like that at the next level.

That IS one of his problems, when he sees a hole he "blasts" through it! In the NFL it somtimes takes time for a hole to develop, and when there is a hole it closes so fast! If he takes the hand off and say the play is suppose to go through the 2 hole, which is between the right gaurd and right tackle ( for you non football players) and runs full speed to that hole, 9 times out of 10 (in the NFL) that hole is NOT gonna be there!

Tiki Barber (who i think was one of the best rb's late in his career) said that early in his career his biggest mistake was speed. He would run to the hole TOO FAST! instead of letting it develop. Patience!

When you see these backs "jitterbug" usually they have no patience, ran to the wrong hole (happens alot!) or the O-line sucks!! (see T. Jones last year) How many times did Jones get hit in the backfield last year? I'd love to see a stat on that! How many times did he put his head down (whan getting hit in the backfield) and make 2-3 yds out of it? And say, how'd he do that? I'd love to see that stat too!

I'd love to see DMC do that! I don't care what Casserly says, I've never seen it! And if he did? Why isn't it on his highlight films? and DON"T bring up his "stiff" arm!

[bobbyjet69]

one yeaR STARTER

That's what scaes me about Mendenhaul!