Green Jets & Ham Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 Of course AL ROY and ROBBY CANO are the Same Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 Due to Shelton being a Rule 5 player I would have to agree that Cano will get it. If Shelton wasn't held from consideration for being a Rule 5, I would give it to him. At least it appears Cashman has convinced the Yankee Brass that Cano is a keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted July 24, 2005 Author Share Posted July 24, 2005 GS, did you see this in the Sunday NY Post? Look at who Torre says Cano reminds him of, and the Red Sox skipper agrees How good has Cano looked at the plate? Red Sox manager Terry Francona and Joe Torre see a little bit of Hall of Famer Rod Carew in Cano. "Not many left-handed hitters get on the high ball," Torre said. "That separated Rod Carew from a lot of left-handed hitters and [Cano] does that very well. Normally, left-handed hitters can't catch up to [high fastballs], but he stays back and waits." Cano, who hits behind Derek Jeter and in front of Gary Sheffield, isn't being asked to hit home runs. He had seven prior to last night's game, but Torre says the day will come when Cano's game will include power. "He could be a 20-to-30 [homer] guy down the road," Torre said. Man that is HIGH PRAISE when your name is even mentioned in the same breath as Rod Carew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 GS, did you see this in the Sunday NY Post? Look at who Torre says Cano reminds him of, and the Red Sox skipper agrees Man that is HIGH PRAISE when your name is even mentioned in the same breath as Rod Carew Rod Carew was one of those great hitters you just never hear about. Probably because he was generally a slap-hitter and never played on any great teams. Weird that he'd be chosen as the player Cano reminds TWO managers of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted July 24, 2005 Author Share Posted July 24, 2005 Rod Carew was one of those great hitters you just never hear about. Probably because he was generally a slap-hitter and never played on any great teams. Weird that he'd be chosen as the player Cano reminds TWO managers of. JF, You don't hear much about Carew nowdays, but during his playing days {prime years} Carew was viewed in the same way Tony Gwynn was viewed ... media and fans widely recognized Rod Carew as the best pure hitter in the game, and the toughest out I use the Gwynn analogy because I know you are too young to remember Carew's playing days ... so I used someone you have seen just to give you an idea of how Carew was looked upon back in the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 JF, You don't hear much about Carew nowdays, but during his playing days {prime years} Carew was viewed in the same way Tony Gwynn was viewed ... media and fans widely recognized Rod Carew as the best pure hitter in the game, and the toughest out I use the Gwynn analogy because I know you are too young to remember Carew's playing days ... so I used someone you have seen just to give you an idea of how Carew was looked upon back in the day Carew and Tony Oliva two of the greatest hitters hardly talked about. Both Twins. Carew went to George Washinton HS which was right up the street from me as a kid though b4 my time.....Manny also went there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted July 24, 2005 Author Share Posted July 24, 2005 BTW, as a kid I think I imitated Rod Carew more than any other player ... had his batting stance down packed And that was pretty much true of all my friends ... Carew was BY FAR the most imitated player on my block Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted July 24, 2005 Author Share Posted July 24, 2005 Carew and Tony Oliva two of the greatest hitters hardly talked about. Both Twins. Carew went to George Washinton HS which was right up the street from me as a kid though b4 my time.....Manny also went there. You know I had forgotten that, GS Completely skipped my mind that Carew was from NY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 Damn. I was rooting hard for Melky Cabrera too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted July 24, 2005 Author Share Posted July 24, 2005 Hey, their names are even similar Rod Carew Rob Cano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 Cano really caught my attention and respect with that great series he had in fenway a week ago. The guy can just flatout hit the ball. IMO, he'll be a 25-35 homerun guy for his career on average per season. I think right now he has more power than Jeter on a consistent basis. Jeter gets like 21 homeruns a season, I think Cano can top that down the road going 25, 30 or 35. He's got a great bat. His glove was shaky earlier in the season but he has really come along strong since then. He has GREAT range and a GREAT arm. Definetly a way better player than Soriano was in his rookie season. Maybe even a better player as we speak right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 Sori never really got to play until his 3rd year in which he hit 18 HR's and drove in 73 while swiping 43 bases and batting in the 9th spot. Cano cannot touch that. We will ignore the Cano is possibly better than Sori right now comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 cano is showing promise that he is much better at hitting for average than soriano as for power and baserunning, Soriano as a rookie displayed more of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 Soriano is also a frickin hack at the plate. Against good pitching he is really nonexistant. Remember that postseason when he had like 26 strikeouts? He's also a bit of a showoff/lollygagger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted July 25, 2005 Author Share Posted July 25, 2005 Soriano is also a frickin hack at the plate. Against good pitching he is really nonexistant. Remember that postseason when he had like 26 strikeouts? He's also a bit of a showoff/lollygagger. EB makes a great point here, and it's one that often goes ignored nowdays ... mostly because it requires some thought and some insight based on actual observation, while allowing stats to be the final arbitor is so much easier We actually talked about this last week with Sheff ... the ability to hit good pitching, and that's what often goes ignored Soriano is a hitter who kills bad to mediocre pitching ... absolutely obliterates it ... but if a good pitcher makes his pitches verses Sori, he often looks badly over-matched {i.e. the 2003 post season} In that respect Cano is a better hitter than Soriano .. the stats will never tell you that, Sori will always have better stats because he will always feast on bad/mediocre pitching, but Cano is far more likely to hit good pitching and tough pitches .. also has a better eye for the strikezone and far more patience at the plate JMO PS. That makes a hitter like Cano more valuable in post season play, where you see much better pitching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 EB makes a great point here, and it's one that often goes ignored nowdays ... mostly because it requires some thought and some insight based on actual observation, while allowing stats to be the final arbitor is so much easier We actually talked about this last week with Sheff ... the ability to hit good pitching, and that's what often goes ignored Soriano is a hitter who kills bad to mediocre pitching ... absolutely obliterates it ... but if a good pitcher makes his pitches verses Sori, he often looks badly over-matched {i.e. the 2003 post season} In that respect Cano is a better hitter than Soriano .. the stats will never tell you that, Sori will always have better stats because he will always feast on bad/mediocre pitching, but Cano is far more likely to hit good pitching and tough pitches .. also has a better eye for the strikezone and far more patience at the plate JMO PS. That makes a hitter like Cano more valuable in post season play, where you see much better pitching LOL. Michael Kay aint got nothing on you Ham. Sori had one slump that occured in the post season. His splits against the better pitching teams more than hold up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 BTW, as a kid I think I imitated Rod Carew more than any other player ... had his batting stance down packed And that was pretty much true of all my friends ... Carew was BY FAR the most imitated player on my block holy smoke me too GJ and...that stance when switch hitting was an education when we were learning to hit.Being able to see your hands and Carew made it cool to choke up on the bat.I used to like Ken "The Hawk"Harrelson's stance too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavrik Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Cano couldn't hold Chris Shelton's jock. Write that down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Cano couldn't hold Chris Shelton's jock. Write that down. Ditto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasonJet Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Sori never really got to play until his 3rd year in which he hit 18 HR's and drove in 73 while swiping 43 bases and batting in the 9th spot. Cano cannot touch that. We will ignore the Cano is possibly better than Sori right now comment. Oh I don't know about that. Soriano probably has more power at this point, though he benefits a lot from playing in Texas, and he certainly has more speed. However his fielding is still pretty bad and he STILL swings at those outside breaking balls in the dirt. He struck out twice against Aaron Small on outside breaking balls. It's ridiculous that he can't stop doing that. And oh yeah, his line is .328-18-48 at home and .230-6-18 away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/chat/041108jm.html Q: Gambling guy from Vegas asks: Overunder on the next year that the Yanks have a Rookie of the Year? A: John Manuel: Good question . . . let's say 2020, and I'll take over. More like 2005 dumbass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasonJet Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Cano couldn't hold Chris Shelton's jock. Write that down. They're both going to be damn good players. Write that down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasonJet Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/chat/041108jm.html Q: Gambling guy from Vegas asks: Overunder on the next year that the Yanks have a Rookie of the Year? A: John Manuel: Good question . . . let's say 2020, and I'll take over. More like 2005 dumbass! Yeah it's too bad our farm system really blows. Eh, Robinson Cano, Chien Ming-Wang, they're not that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfanmack Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 I can't see Cano hitting 30 homeruns a year. I think there's a better chance of him hitting 50 doubles. Either way, it's damn good, and I hope he's a Yankee for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Melky Cabrera has a hitting streak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 You can all thank your lucky Rule V stars that Shelton is excluded or your boy Cano would be NOWHERE near ROY voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 You can all thank your lucky Rule V stars that Shelton is excluded or your boy Cano would be NOWHERE near ROY voting. Well, thats why Shelton isnt a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Well, thats why Shelton isnt a rookie. He is a rookie... just not eligible for the award. How convenient.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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