PFSIKH Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 And considering he is going up against Becht that says something. Why? I know Herm is reluctant to put faith in youth until the last possible moment. Chad did not sniff the field until well into his second season and then had a 101 rating. He ran all them old geezers on D until the defense collapsed in 2003. Now, a second round pick, the "back of the future" is running for Oakland. Why waste the pick if you are going to stay married to Curtis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Obviously the Jets, and everyone, didn't factor Martin would stay so healthy and so effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mean Papi Green Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 And considering he is going up against Becht that says something. Why? I know Herm is reluctant to put faith in youth until the last possible moment. Chad did not sniff the field until well into his second season and then had a 101 rating. He ran all them old geezers on D until the defense collapsed in 2003. Now, a second round pick, the "back of the future" is running for Oakland. Why waste the pick if you are going to stay married to Curtis? idiotic post, vilma took over in week 2 this year and coleman started the entire 16 games that put an end to the rookie fear you speak of, saying lamont was the worst pick compared to becht is beyond ignorant lamont was a steal in the 2nd round and he contributed very much to the team's success as a back up, the choice to keep him as a backup you may question but he was drafted to serve as a backup and serve as one he did and very well becht was also a good pickup, the team had their eyes of franks who was drafted right before becht and we had a major need for a TE, tell me what other TE we should have drafted that year that was better than him??? you're not one of those fools that think a TE is useless or bad because he's not a receiving threat, the man is one of teh best blocking TEs in the game, getting a guy like that would never make him your all time worst pick damn you stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETROCK Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Obviously the Jets, and everyone, didn't factor Martin would stay so healthy and so effective. Still the Jets could have used Jordan and Martin as a 1-2 punch just like the Steelers did with Bettis and Staley. I really thought that after Hackett left that Jordan would stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Obviously the Jets, and everyone, didn't factor Martin would stay so healthy and so effective. So effective???????? Martin padded his stats against piss-poor run defensive teams and also had the most carries of any RB in the league. How effective was Martin twice against the Pats, twice against the Bills and twice against the Steelers? Check the stats. Not very. This public service announcement was brought to you by savage69.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 So effective???????? Martin padded his stats against piss-poor run defensive teams and also had the most carries of any RB in the league. How effective was Martin twice against the Pats, twice against the Bills and twice against the Steelers? Check the stats. Not very. This public service announcement was brought to you by savage69.com Well said Tex!! The Good of the One Martin is more important then the good of the Team..But I will always be thrilled with Cumar ripping through the Pack for 42 yds in the Pats bowl loss..And was astounded with his one Man show vs Denver with 14 yds in 13 carries!! I hope the Jets keep him till he's 50!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mean Papi Green Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 So effective???????? Martin padded his stats against piss-poor run defensive teams and also had the most carries of any RB in the league. How effective was Martin twice against the Pats, twice against the Bills and twice against the Steelers? Check the stats. Not very. This public service announcement was brought to you by savage69.com and who exactly did run well against those same teams???? certainly not Dillon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 So effective???????? Martin padded his stats against piss-poor run defensive teams and also had the most carries of any RB in the league. How effective was Martin twice against the Pats, twice against the Bills and twice against the Steelers? Check the stats. Not very. This public service announcement was brought to you by savage69.com If you are going to spin it that way, tell us how the other top backs did against those defenses. Dillon earned ALL his yards :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 and who exactly did run well against those same teams???? certainly not Dillon Wrong once again Mean Bro. Dillon versus: Bills- 19/79 Jets- 22/115 Steelers- DNP Ravens- 30/123 Jets- 29/89 Bills- 26/151 Corey Dillon had a much more productive year than CuMar. Give Dillon all Martin's carries and he would have easily led the league. Dillon also walked away with a Super Bowl ring. How many of those does CuMar have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 at least Lamont has talent - who the F did you guys draft that was so dang great - andy katzenmoyer and ben watson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mean Papi Green Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Wrong once again Mean Bro. Dillon versus: Bills- 19/79 Jets- 22/115 Steelers- DNP Ravens- 30/123 Jets- 29/89 Bills- 26/151 Corey Dillon had a much more productive year than CuMar. Give Dillon all Martin's carries and he would have easily led the league. Dillon also walked away with a Super Bowl ring. How many of those does CuMar have? blowing cocks once again Tex you said: How effective was Martin twice against the Pats, twice against the Bills and twice against the Steelers? so what does his one good game against the ravens have to do with a comparison??? basically he had one giant game against teh Bills and a few pedestrian efforts should I then throw Mart's 200+ against teh Chargers? stay on topic ADD boy, Dillon aint do bett against thos edefense than Martin did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 I particularly like this one...3.0 ypc...impressive against a team that sucks according to you Jets- 29/89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 I particularly like this one...3.0 ypc...impressive against a team that sucks according to you Jets- 29/89 Yea, was that the game the Pats jumped to a 23-0 lead? And yes, the Jets do suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD 09/12 Cincinnati W 31-24 Yes 29 196 6.8 24 1 3 7 2.3 7 1 0 0 0 0 09/19 @San Diego W 34-28 Yes 32 119 3.7 12 2 6 25 4.2 7 0 1 0 0 0 October Rushing Receiving Fumbles GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD 10/03 @Miami W 17-9 Yes 24 110 4.6 13 1 4 31 7.8 11 0 0 0 0 0 10/10 Buffalo W 16-14 Yes 22 77 3.5 11 0 6 23 3.8 8 0 0 1 0 0 10/17 San Francisco W 22-14 Yes 25 111 4.4 14 2 3 20 6.7 10 0 0 0 0 0 10/24 @New England L 7-13 Yes 20 70 3.5 9 0 2 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 November Rushing Receiving Fumbles GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD 11/01 Miami W 41-14 Yes 19 115 6.1 25 1 1 13 13.0 13 0 0 0 0 0 11/07 @Buffalo L 17-22 Yes 19 67 3.5 19 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11/14 Baltimore L 17-20 Yes 28 119 4.3 21 2 2 5 2.5 4 0 0 0 0 0 11/21 @Cleveland W 10-7 Yes 17 88 5.2 19 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11/28 @Arizona W 13-3 Yes 24 99 4.1 19 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 December Rushing Receiving Fumbles GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD 12/05 Houston W 29-7 Yes 23 134 5.8 22 1 4 20 5.0 10 1 0 0 0 0 12/12 @Pittsburgh L 6-17 Yes 24 72 3.0 13 0 3 35 11.7 14 0 0 0 0 0 12/19 Seattle W 37-14 Yes 24 134 5.6 20 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12/26 New England L 7-23 Yes 13 33 2.5 5 0 5 44 8.8 22 0 0 0 0 0 January Rushing Receiving Fumbles GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD 01/02 @St. Louis L 29-32 Yes 28 153 5.5 20 0 2 22 11.0 11 0 0 0 0 0 01/08 @San Diego W 20-17 Yes 18 66 3.7 12 0 4 47 11.8 23 0 0 0 0 0 01/15 @Pittsburgh L 17-20 Yes 19 77 4.1 13 0 4 29 7.3 17 0 0 0 0 0 youre right, he should be ashamed of himself with those crappy #'s NOT!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verde Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 And considering he is going up against Becht that says something. Why? I know Herm is reluctant to put faith in youth until the last possible moment. Chad did not sniff the field until well into his second season and then had a 101 rating. He ran all them old geezers on D until the defense collapsed in 2003. Now, a second round pick, the "back of the future" is running for Oakland. Why waste the pick if you are going to stay married to Curtis? You are SO right!...(for a change :wink: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Lamont Jordan is NOT the worst pick ever. In fact, I think he was a brilliant pick. However, seperate from the pick itself is how the team UTILIZED him. And that, my friends, is where the error lies. Lamont Jordan was wasted here, plain and simple. The error was NOT the pick, it was the rest of his time here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 so what does his one good game against the ravens have to do with a comparison??? Hey Eienstein, the Ravens had the 8th best rushing defense in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Hey Eienstein, the Ravens had the 8th best rushing defense in the league. 11/14 Baltimore L 17-20 Yes 28 119 4.3 21 2 2 5 2.5 4 0 0 0 0 0 Curtis did pretty bad against the Ravens didn't he? in fact, looks like he did better then your boy FLAMING MORON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 11/14 Baltimore L 17-20 Yes 28 119 4.3 21 2 2 5 2.5 4 0 0 0 0 0 Curtis did pretty bad against the Ravens didn't he? in fact, looks like he did better then your boy FLAMING MORON Yea, he had some great runs late in the 4th quarter to seal a Jets victory against the Ravens. Martin is useless in crunch time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 As usual, these Patsie flamers couldn't find their asses with both hands and a map. HOWEVER, it can be reasonably argued that the pick was not very smart. We had a feature back locked up until the end of time. We couldn't expect to keep two of them. It's certainly fair to surmise that the idea was to make Jordan the number one back as Martin declined, kind of like the situation in Pittsburgh. The problem is, Martin declined to decline. The pick might have been used on a more pressing need, and a RB drafted a couple of years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Yea, he had some great runs late in the 4th quarter to seal a Jets victory against the Ravens. Martin is useless in crunch time. and you are useless over all,,stop spinning your original point...the game went into overtime so your intended jab that Martin couldn't get the win for us, a game QB'd by Q Carter I might add, doesn't hold up..I remember 3 or 4 patsie* games that Dillon was held to squat till the game was out of reach & the defenses were quit..and if you subtract the one 25 yarder he gets a game, the reat of his performances were mediocre at best...FLAMING LOSER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 and you are useless over all,,stop spinning your original point...the game went into overtime so your intended jab that Martin couldn't get the win for us, a game QB'd by Q Carter I might add, doesn't hold up..I remember 3 or 4 patsie* games that Dillon was held to squat till the game was out of reach & the defenses were quit..and if you subtract the one 25 yarder he gets a game, the reat of his performances were mediocre at best...FLAMING LOSER Do you actually believe the crap that you write?? Speaking of 25-yarders, how many of those did the speedster Martin have last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 there you go spinning again...why do you keep changing the focus everytime you say something? I am the first to admit Curtis doesn't break off big plays, but that doesn't change the fact that he had a great year and is a HofF'er. Im sure you of all people didn't forget the Patsies* won 2 super bowls without ANY running game, so how are we to believe that Dillon is so f'ing great? FLAMING SPINNING LOSER Do you actually believe the crap that you write?? Speaking of 25-yarders, how many of those did the speedster Martin have last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcatxl Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 just randomly pointing out... in the first jets game if u take away dillons 50 something yard run, he averaged like 3 yds per carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 just randomly pointing out... in the first jets game if u take away dillons 50 something yard run, he averaged like 3 yds per carry. Thats pretty much what I was trying to tell the flamer..Dillon has one long run every game & its usually when the game is pretty much over already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted March 3, 2005 Author Share Posted March 3, 2005 Lamont Jordan is NOT the worst pick ever. In fact, I think he was a brilliant pick. However, seperate from the pick itself is how the team UTILIZED him. And that, my friends, is where the error lies. Lamont Jordan was wasted here, plain and simple. The error was NOT the pick, it was the rest of his time here. And that is my point warfish. I do believe he is the worst pick in only recent times for the Jets and you are correct it is not a reflection on Lamont but the Jets' FO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mean Papi Green Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 11/14 Baltimore L 17-20 Yes 28 119 4.3 21 2 2 5 2.5 4 0 0 0 0 0 Curtis did pretty bad against the Ravens didn't he? in fact, looks like he did better then your boy FLAMING MORON exactly my poinbt but dumbass you didnt mention the Ravens in your original post and only threw those stats in when i called you on it because dillon did weel against them, now that you bring them up look at Curtis' number Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 exactly my poinbt but dumbass you didnt mention the Ravens in your original post and only threw those stats in when i called you on it because dillon did weel against them, now that you bring them up look at Curtis' number forget it Bro, once proven to be the FLAMING LOSER that he is, he abandons the threads he posted in and starts FLAMING a different one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Express Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 I wanted Shaun Rogers with that pick, still not happy about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted March 3, 2005 Author Share Posted March 3, 2005 Thats pretty much what I was trying to tell the flamer..Dillon has one long run every game & its usually when the game is pretty much over already What do these long runs accomplish, which should be against defenses that are stacked to stop the run? In the Jets game fat referenced, it took the ball from the New England 15 and brought it to the Jets 41. Five plays later, Klecko fumbles and the Jets get the ball. That one long run changed the complexion of the game. Instead of being already in FG range, a stretch for Brein I know, the Jets are in there own end and have to drive just to get in field goal range. Here is the difference Dillon made in the Patriots. With Dillon, despite every defensive category going down (i.e. pash/rush yards allowed and points allowed) the Patriots went from beating opponents by 6.9 to 11. They went from 9 victories by 7 points or less to 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 And that is my point warfish. I do believe he is the worst pick in only recent times for the Jets and you are correct it is not a reflection on Lamont but the Jets' FO. That's not your point at all. Your point is just to come here and start sh*t. Your premise that LaMont is a terrible pick is the most moronic thing I've read on JN. Say Curtis got injured a year or two after that draft, without drafting LaMont. We would have been screwed because we most likely would of had some JAG back there. Now just because Curtis didn't get hurt doesn't mean LaMont was a bad pick. Pat's fans are always crowing how although they might not had the best players 1-22, they do have the best 23-53 players. Now you're saying having great depth is just a wasted pick? Make up your hypocriticals minds, is it good to have talent with your depth or not?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted March 3, 2005 Author Share Posted March 3, 2005 Lag - No, I have been saying this is a horrible pick the last few years. There are two problems with your theory. One, you can not do that with a salary cap. Yeah depth is needed, but that is why you use a 4th round pick on a back-up. Two, the Jets were not Superbowl champions or even close. Look at all the other players you could have had at that time. I am of the party that believes Lamont will be very good and in the near future your basically have to cut the cord with CuMar and you are no closer to finding a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 I am of the party that believes Lamont will be very good and in the near future your basically have to cut the cord with CuMar and you are no closer to finding a replacement. Holy crap, why didn't I think of that? Cut the cord with Martin? GENIUS!!! I can't wait to drive over to Hempstead and tell this wonderful news to Bradway. Then when he laughs at my face and tells me how by cutting the cord we'd be in the Afghanistan of cap situations I'll just tell him it was all your idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Holy crap, why didn't I think of that? Cut the cord with Martin? GENIUS!!! I can't wait to drive over to Hempstead and tell this wonderful news to Bradway. Then when he laughs at my face and tells me how by cutting the cord we'd be in the Afghanistan of cap situations I'll just tell him it was all your idea. BRILLIANT!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted March 3, 2005 Author Share Posted March 3, 2005 Holy crap, why didn't I think of that? Cut the cord with Martin? GENIUS!!! I can't wait to drive over to Hempstead and tell this wonderful news to Bradway. Then when he laughs at my face and tells me how by cutting the cord we'd be in the Afghanistan of cap situations I'll just tell him it was all your idea. When is it going to be a right time? A few years ago when you were not a contender or in a few years when you are closer to the prize? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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