Gainzo Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Steinbrenner questions divisional setup TORONTO -- The divisional setup in Major League Baseball is at the top of Hank Steinbrenner's concerns with the state of the game, according to a column written by the Yankees co-chairman that will appear on newsstands this week. Steinbrenner has periodically contributed guest columns to The Sporting News this season, his first full year at the helm of the organization. The publication released excerpts of Steinbrenner's comments to the news media on Tuesday, in which he compared the Yankees' position to that of the Dodgers. "The biggest problem is the divisional setup in Major League Baseball," Steinbrenner wrote. "I didn't like it in the 1970s, and I hate it now. Baseball went to a multi-division setup to create more races, rivalries and excitement. But it isn't fair. "You see it this season, with plenty of people in the media pointing out that Joe Torre and the Dodgers are going to the playoffs while we're not. This is by no means a knock on Torre -- let me make that clear -- but look at the division they're in. If L.A. were in the AL East, it wouldn't be in the playoff discussion. The AL East is never weak." The Dodgers (81-75) are pacing the National League West, one season after Torre turned down an incentive-based one-year contract offer to continue managing the Yankees. "I'm happy for Joe, but you have to compare the divisions and the competition," Steinbrenner said. "What if the Yankees finish the season with more wins than the Dodgers, but the Dodgers make the playoffs? Does that make the Dodgers a better team? No." As evidence of his viewpoint, Steinbrenner pointed to the 2006 Cardinals, who defeated the Tigers in the World Series after finishing the regular season 83-78, and took a shot at the National League West's current race between the Dodgers and D-backs. "St. Louis winning the World Series -- that was ridiculous," Steinbrenner said. "The Cardinals won their division with 83 wins -- two fewer than the Phillies, who missed the postseason. "People will say the Cardinals were the best team because they won the World Series. Well, no, they weren't. They just got hot at the right time. They didn't even belong in the playoffs. And neither does a team from the NL West this season." According to excerpts, Steinbrenner continued to call baseball's revenue sharing "a socialist system," and made it clear that he does not agree with it. "Does it work? It depends on your point of view," Steinbrenner said. "But is it right? Is it even American? I'd argue no on both of those points." http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080923&content_id=3535497&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb Did Hank forgot about 2000 when the Yankees had the 5th best record in the American League (87 wins) and went on to win the World Series? According to his logic the Yankees weren't the best team that year. He needs to STFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 On this case I agree with Hank 110%. The Cardinals weren't the best team and the Giants certainly weren't the best team in the NFL last season. Its all about getting into the postseason and who can get hot. Who can be the best team in that four week span. Thats all that matters. Getting in and who can be the best in that four week span. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war ensemble Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 I agree with him. The regular season is a much bigger sample size of how good a team is. Oftentimes the best team doesn't win the World Series--it's just who gets hot at the right time. The Yankees weren't the best team in 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 hank is an idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 The rules and set-up are clearly spelled out before any teams set foot on any baseball diamond. Those that cry about rules, after the results are in, appear like idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 I agree with him. The regular season is a much bigger sample size of how good a team is. Oftentimes the best team doesn't win the World Series--it's just who gets hot at the right time. The Yankees weren't the best team in 2000. Suspect if Hank Steinbrenner is asked the time of day, the media and Sawx fans will juump on him no matter what. It's a mix of jealousy, Torre love, and Sawx love. The media hate the Yanks; we get it. If Hank is so awful, the same media shouldn't call him any more. And he's right about the scandal that is "revenue sharing", as the Pirates, Royals and Reds again pocket serious Yank/Met/Sawx cash while intentionally keeping ther payroll low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 It is funny how everyone wants to make Hank out to be "Mini George". There will only be one George Steinbrenner folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted September 24, 2008 Author Share Posted September 24, 2008 Suspect if Hank Steinbrenner is asked the time of day, the media and Sawx fans will juump on him no matter what. It's a mix of jealousy, Torre love, and Sawx love. The media hate the Yanks; we get it. If Hank is so awful, the same media shouldn't call him any more. And he's right about the scandal that is "revenue sharing", as the Pirates, Royals and Reds again pocket serious Yank/Met/Sawx cash while intentionally keeping ther payroll low. The media didn't ask Hank anything. The quotes are from an article he wrote. He brings the negative attention on himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 The media didn't ask Hank anything. The quotes are from an article he wrote. He brings the negative attention on himself.So if he told TSN to go to hell, he's a jerk. But if as here he writes a column where he speaks his mind and tells everyone what he thinks honestly, he's also still a jerk.We knock owners all the time for stupid policies and not communciating with fans. Hank puts it on paper and out in the open and still he gets knocked. You hate the Yankees and so does a good chunk of the media; we get it. If he says ANYTHING, you would knock him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 So if he told TSN to go to hell, he's a jerk. But if as here he writes a column where he speaks his mind and tells everyone what he thinks honestly, he's also still a jerk.We knock owners all the time for stupid policies and not communciating with fans. Hank puts it on paper and out in the open and still he gets knocked. You hate the Yankees and so does a good chunk of the media; we get it. If he says ANYTHING, you would knock him. The majority of owners, if they say anything will get knocked, because the common fan can't relate to them and will only point out their frailties, if exposed. That is why most owners wouldn't touch such a gig with a 10 ft pole. Hank hasnt figured that out yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeebers Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 So if he told TSN to go to hell, he's a jerk. But if as here he writes a column where he speaks his mind and tells everyone what he thinks honestly, he's also still a jerk.We knock owners all the time for stupid policies and not communciating with fans. Hank puts it on paper and out in the open and still he gets knocked. You hate the Yankees and so does a good chunk of the media; we get it. If he says ANYTHING, you would knock him. Hank have the right to say pretty much what he wants, but at the same time I think the media and fans have the right to express how dumb they/we think his comments are. In this case it is dumb. Obviously the best team doesn't always win and that is what makes sports great and why we sit glued in front of the TV to see our favorite teams no matter how over-matched they may be. If the outcome was predetermined why would any bother, you might as well watch the NBA. Anyway, in regards to HankyPanky, the only reason he is bringing this up now is because he wants to knock Torre. Hank led the faction that ousted Torre and hand picked Girardi. He's going to make every conceivable excuse to defend why his team didn't make the playoffs after, Torre made the playoffs every single season at the helm. Would the Yankees have made the playoffs with Torre this year?? There's no way to know, but Torre's team had just as many injuries last year. Think about the pitchers they were trotting out last year, the likes of Chase Wright, and that lanky kid who's name escapes me, etc etc. The only thing you can go on, is that Torre did make the playoffs every year with this Yankee team. As Gainzo mentioned, the Yankees won the world series in 2000 with the 5th best record in the AL, I didn't hear Hank cry about that then. What does he expect? Baseball has structured rules that everyone plays by. Does he want baseball to structure the rules as long as they benefit the Yankees in each given year? You keep listening to this guy, you realize he sounds dumber than he looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Steinbrenner questions divisional setup http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080923&content_id=3535497&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb Did Hank forgot about 2000 when the Yankees had the 5th best record in the American League (87 wins) and went on to win the World Series? According to his logic the Yankees weren't the best team that year. He needs to STFU. The 2000 Yankees were part of the dynasty years. When did the Cardinals have a dynasty? Not sure I see a comparison here...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted September 24, 2008 Author Share Posted September 24, 2008 The 2000 Yankees were part of the dynasty years. When did the Cardinals have a dynasty? Not sure I see a comparison here...... What do the "dynasty years" have to do with anything? Hank said the 2006 Cardinals were not the best team in baseball and didn't even deserve be in the playoffs. Based on that logic the 2000 Yankees weren't the best team in baseball and didn't deserve to be in the playoffs either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 I agree with him. The regular season is a much bigger sample size of how good a team is. Oftentimes the best team doesn't win the World Series--it's just who gets hot at the right time. The Yankees weren't the best team in 2000. Then let's totally do away with the post season. Whoever wins the most games over the 162 game season is champion. Gainzos right, Skank needs to just STFU. He's just pissed that Torre's IN the post season and he's not. He's like Jupiter, just a huge gas balloon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 The 2000 Yankees were part of the dynasty years. When did the Cardinals have a dynasty? Not sure I see a comparison here...... WTF? Did you even read the other posts? Dynastys has ABSOLUTLELY NOTHING to do with the discussion. Try to keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 WTF? Did you even read the other posts? Dynastys has ABSOLUTLELY NOTHING to do with the discussion. Try to keep up. Yeah, but it gave Barty the opportunity to use the words "Yankees" and "dynasty" together. He is running short on those opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 He's absolutely right about revenue sharing. AND the divisions. You should have to be the best over 162 games to get a shot at being the best over-all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 I hate this guy, I really really hate this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 I don't see the problem with questioning the way the rules are set up. Why should it be mandatory that one team per division makes the playoffs. It could just be the 4 teams with the best record. It's very sad to see teams with such a ****ty record make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war ensemble Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Then let's totally do away with the post season. Whoever wins the most games over the 162 game season is champion. Gainzos right, Skank needs to just STFU. He's just pissed that Torre's IN the post season and he's not. He's like Jupiter, just a huge gas balloon. Uh, that's not what I'm saying. The best team doesn't necessarily deserve to be crowned champion. I stand by what I said in my original post, the World Series is usually decided by who gets hot at the right time. I'm fine with leaving it the way it is, it keeps an element of surprise and/or excitement. I could do the exact same thing you're doing. If the regular season is not a clear cut way of showing who the best team is, why not just get rid of it and have every team in the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Uh, that's not what I'm saying. The best team doesn't necessarily deserve to be crowned champion. I stand by what I said in my original post, the World Series is usually decided by who gets hot at the right time. I'm fine with leaving it the way it is, it keeps an element of surprise and/or excitement. I could do the exact same thing you're doing. If the regular season is not a clear cut way of showing who the best team is, why not just get rid of it and have every team in the playoffs? Oh you mean like hockey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Hank was wrong to say the set-up is stupid. It is what it is and it will always be that way. I'd have no problem with him saying something along the lines of how frustrating it is to have your team finish in 3rd or 4th in their own division when they have more wins than other division winners against tougher opponents. It's an accurate statement but that's also part of life. Try not to dump a boat load of money in to tranny screwing choke artist and maybe we'll make the playoffs again next year with a shot at a ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Hank was wrong to say the set-up is stupid. It is what it is and it will always be that way. I'd have no problem with him saying something along the lines of how frustrating it is to have your team finish in 3rd or 4th in their own division when they have more wins than other division winners against tougher opponents. It's an accurate statement but that's also part of life. Try not to dump a boat load of money in to tranny screwing choke artist and maybe we'll make the playoffs again next year with a shot at a ring. Did ARod screw a tranny? Really? I have to start reading the NY Post more often, I think I missed that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavrik Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Well, the Yanks didn't seem to mind the AL East when The Rays, Orioles, and Blue Jays were all bottom feeders and all they had to compete with were the Sox. Now that the rest of the division has finally caught up, he's going to cry foul. No sympathy here. If you can't even beat the best in your division, what makes you think you beat the best the NL has to offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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