BIGASS JETS FAN Posted November 16, 2008 Author Share Posted November 16, 2008 potw Haha I love your name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 well, i guess cotchery sucked too, because in his second year, he only had 19 receptions for the entire year. coles had 59, which ginn is on pace for. steve smith only had 54, and 3 tds through his first 2 seasons. santana moss only had 30 in his second season. reggie wayne only had 49. i guess they were all major busts, huh? why do people make this argument? just because some of the best receivers in the league took a year or two to hit their stride does not mean every player who starts off slow will become an all-star. for every player you can name who started off slow for their first year or two and then went on to be great...i'll bet i can name at least 20 who started off slow and continued to suck throughout their time in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 They don't count so why did you mention them? I went here http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2008&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=KICK_RETURNS&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=KICK_RETURNS&d-447263-n=1 and saw that your 1st round bust is nothing special. If you take full time return guys off that list (25+ returns or so) and base it off highest average... This is really the best way to judge a KR... and its pretty accurate.... Hobbs is a scary return guy.... Leon Washington (29.6 YPR) Ellis Hobbs Allen Rossum Josh Cribbs Chris Carr Jerious Norwood Darious Sproles Brian Witherspoon Leodis McKelvin Josh Wilson Glenn Holt Dantrell Savage Quintin Demps Rock Cartwright Pierre Thomas Johnnie Lee Higgins Will Blackmon Andre Davis Brandon Middleton Steve Breaston (21.8 YPR) Then you have Ginn... who is beat by all of these full time return guys... and a million other guys who I didn't list because they have less than 25 or so returns... Ted Ginn Jr. (21.6 YPR on 12 returns) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 well, i guess cotchery sucked too, because in his second year, he only had 19 receptions for the entire year. coles had 59, which ginn is on pace for. steve smith only had 54, and 3 tds through his first 2 seasons. santana moss only had 30 in his second season. reggie wayne only had 49. i guess they were all major busts, huh? HERM EDWARDS That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Anyone calling a player a bust after he's played just 25 career games is a complete and utter bafoon. I love irony. I really do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 One fact remains. Anyone calling a player a bust after he's played just 25 career games is a complete and utter bafoon. You can say you think he'll eventually become a bust; fine. But to consider him a bust at this point in time is freaking ridiculous. ESPECIALLY at a position that takes a few years to learn in this league. He has 34 catches this year so it's not like he's doing nothing. 60 catches as a sophomore is pretty good; especially in a run oriented offense that features a bevy of differnet receivers. Not even to mention that he and Chad Pennington's game couldn't be further apart. Chad is a short, accurate, controled passer that lives over the middle while Ted is a guy that wants to stretch the field. I also have a hard time believing he's a bust when I'm starting to see him make at least one play like this every game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD7KDrHMi90 He is not a bust, he is a neverwas.... a mistake... he might wind up being a decent receiver... but certainly not worth his draft pick... which in most minds makes him a bust... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 if you look at the whole package, weshoff, Leon and the blockers, the NYJ own the #1 rated KOR team, and the #5 ranked PR team that is having a big impact on the outcome of games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 One fact remains. Anyone calling a player a bust after he's played just 25 career games is a complete and utter bafoon. You can say you think he'll eventually become a bust; fine. But to consider him a bust at this point in time is freaking ridiculous. ESPECIALLY at a position that takes a few years to learn in this league. He has 34 catches this year so it's not like he's doing nothing. 60 catches as a sophomore is pretty good; especially in a run oriented offense that features a bevy of differnet receivers. Not even to mention that he and Chad Pennington's game couldn't be further apart. Chad is a short, accurate, controled passer that lives over the middle while Ted is a guy that wants to stretch the field. I also have a hard time believing he's a bust when I'm starting to see him make at least one play like this every game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD7KDrHMi90 So answer 2 q's please. If you were the Dolphins GM for that draft, would you have taken Ginn? If Parcells was running the draft then, would he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Well, from the highlights during the Giants game, Ginn is looking pretty good today, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 One fact remains. Anyone calling a player a bust after he's played just 25 career games is a complete and utter bafoon. You can say you think he'll eventually become a bust; fine. But to consider him a bust at this point in time is freaking ridiculous. ESPECIALLY at a position that takes a few years to learn in this league. He has 34 catches this year so it's not like he's doing nothing. 60 catches as a sophomore is pretty good; especially in a run oriented offense that features a bevy of differnet receivers. Not even to mention that he and Chad Pennington's game couldn't be further apart. Chad is a short, accurate, controled passer that lives over the middle while Ted is a guy that wants to stretch the field. I also have a hard time believing he's a bust when I'm starting to see him make at least one play like this every game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD7KDrHMi90 Top 10 picks, especially for teams that have been struggling like Miami, are supposed to be huge impact players--not just some guy on the depth chart. As for Ginn and Penny not playing the same type of game, well, I believe I warned you about that several times prior to the season began and you were the one insisting it wasn't true. Either way though. Ginn relies solely on his speed. He is a mediocre at best route runner, and rarely ever goes over the middle to make a tough catch. I watched him for 3 yrs at OSU and he was the same there as well. With Revis and Quinn still on the board, and for a team that still has questions over its future QB and lacks a true identity on defense, Im gunna go out on a limb and call Ginn a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Top 10 picks, especially for teams that have been struggling like Miami, are supposed to be huge impact players--not just some guy on the depth chart. As for Ginn and Penny not playing the same type of game, well, I believe I warned you about that several times prior to the season began and you were the one insisting it wasn't true. Either way though. Ginn relies solely on his speed. He is a mediocre at best route runner, and rarely ever goes over the middle to make a tough catch. I watched him for 3 yrs at OSU and he was the same there as well. With Revis and Quinn still on the board, and for a team that still has questions over its future QB and lacks a true identity on defense, Im gunna go out on a limb and call Ginn a bust. So the guy who has started and produced is a bust, but Brady Quinn who couldn't unseat a nobody would have been a great pick? What the **** do draft position or other picks have to do with the bust label? Either a guy can play in the league or he can't. If he can play he's not a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Well, from the highlights during the Giants game, Ginn is looking pretty good today, lol. **** that hes a lil bitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjetsjetsjets Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 why do people make this argument? just because some of the best receivers in the league took a year or two to hit their stride does not mean every player who starts off slow will become an all-star. for every player you can name who started off slow for their first year or two and then went on to be great...i'll bet i can name at least 20 who started off slow and continued to suck throughout their time in the league. because dumbass, you can't say he is a bust or not at this point. he may turn out to be one, but because, AS YOU CAN SEE, OTHERS HAVE STARTED OUT SLOW AS WELL, you never know what will happen come year 3. so today is not the day to make that decision. hello? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjetsjetsjets Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 none of them were a top 10 pick. moss was a first rounder , not sure about smith. when you talk about the number 10th pick THEN HE IS CONSIDERED A BUST (AT THIS POINT) LATER PICKS ARE ALOUD A FEW YEARS TO MATURE no, that is not how it works. just because someone drafts you early you are all of a sudden going to be an impact player right away? no. many players have taken a few seasons to hit their stride. just look at 80% of decent players around the league. and, you can't be a bust at this point. you are either a bust or not. there is no in between. by your definition eli manning was a bust as well, because ya know, he was a top 10 pick and didn't do **** for a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjetsjetsjets Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 So the guy who has started and produced is a bust, but Brady Quinn who couldn't unseat a nobody would have been a great pick? What the **** do draft position or other picks have to do with the bust label? Either a guy can play in the league or he can't. If he can play he's not a bust. exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjetsjetsjets Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 So answer 2 q's please. If you were the Dolphins GM for that draft, would you have taken Ginn? If Parcells was running the draft then, would he? yeah, and this makes someone a bust. imbecile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 If you had read all my posts on this thread, I clearly stated Ginn is a good player and getting better. Post # 29 I did not say and do not think he is a bust. Never. Cant ask a reasonable question related to draft position, need etc? Imbecile? Really................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 yeah, and this makes someone a bust. imbecile. On second thought........GFYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjetsjetsjets Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 On second thought........GFYS yes. imbecile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 None of this changes the fact that Leon is a better return man than Ginn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 1. Devin Hester 2. Leon Washington 3. Joshua Cribbs And then there is everybody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 i don't see why their is such love for devin hester this year. the guy is 30th in the league in kick off returns and doesn't have one over 51 yards this season. he is still a good returner, but how could anyone name him the tops in the league? You really cannot be serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Hester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 What about Sproles? I'd say he's top 10, he's pretty DAMN fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGASS JETS FAN Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 Being fast isn't everything, I'm fast and I work as a bartender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BIGASS JETS FAN Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 Isn't Pacman busy "making it rain" with Lil Wayne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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