ECURB Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 That did not take long... Both HC and DC from the Ravens... Leonhard Rhodes Sheppard Revis Thomas/Gholston Scott Harris Pace Coleman Jenkins Ellis Lookin good so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 That did not take long... Both HC and DC from the Ravens... Leonhard Rhodes Sheppard Revis Thomas/Gholston Scott Harris Pace Coleman Jenkins Ellis Lookin good so far... as Barton said the other day; "Our D-line still sucks" Ellis and Coleman are way below average these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 what did you expect, when you finally get a guy in their who knows what he's doing, and the GM and HC are on the same page. Tanny and Ryan are gonna do very well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 3, 2009 Author Share Posted March 3, 2009 as Barton said the other day; "Our D-line still sucks" Ellis and Coleman are way below average these days Way to be a buzzkill SoFla! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.Chowds Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 as Barton said the other day; "Our D-line still sucks" Ellis and Coleman are way below average these days Yea that was a just a average play against the bills at the end of the year to try and and save the season. . Big Cat is still serviceable IMO;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Big Cat is still good for the Jets, why there is hate i just don't know, what do people want from him. As far as Coleman, he's fine, maybe he's a little overpaid, and another person could be brought in and do better, but he a good player for the rotation, he's better than DeVito, Pouha, and Kareem Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 as Barton said the other day; "Our D-line still sucks" Ellis and Coleman are way below average these days Shaun Ellis is hardly way below average. He's not elite, but there aren't dozens of elite 3-4 DE's that would remand Ellis to "way below average" status. Coleman had a below-average year. His job isn't to rush the passer, but he doesn't even generate pressure after 5-6 seconds. I thought he was pretty good in 2007 considering the worthless pile of DFat next to him not drawing attention of multiple blockers. We'll see if he gets any better this year (unless Ryan decides to go in another direction). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Big Cat is still good for the Jets, why there is hate i just don't know, what do people want from him. As far as Coleman, he's fine, maybe he's a little overpaid, and another person could be brought in and do better, but he a good player for the rotation, he's better than DeVito, Pouha, and Kareem Brown he disappears for half seasons at a time since 2005...I'd like to see him and BT playing a LOT less-like half the plays since they only put out that much effort anyway..Coleman? Come ON start Mikey DeVito over him that guy is the Invisible Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 as Barton said the other day; "Our D-line still sucks" Ellis and Coleman are way below average these days That was my first thought too when I looked at that lineup. An all pro secondary is nothing without a good front 7 which begins with a stout defensive line. Sure you're LBs are good but you need a D line that can protect them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 If the front line can just hold up blockers, and maintain their ground, teh rest oif teh defense will be allowed to flow to the ball. Thge jets have a couple of "space fillers" on that D-line (Notably jenkins and Ellis), that should allow others to fit gaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 That was my first thought too when I looked at that lineup. An all pro secondary is nothing without a good front 7 which begins with a stout defensive line. Sure you're LBs are good but you need a D line that can protect them. Jets fans have a habit of ALWAYS over rating our players-TTBT is that Ellis hasn't given us a full season's worth of play in years. On a scale of 1-10 I'd rate him a solid 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 That was my first thought too when I looked at that lineup. An all pro secondary is nothing without a good front 7 which begins with a stout defensive line. Sure you're LBs are good but you need a D line that can protect them. again, I think the coaching schemes are gonna help this defence be beastly, including ellis & coleman. Jenkins is already proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 as Barton said the other day; "Our D-line still sucks" Ellis and Coleman are way below average these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Jets fans have a habit of ALWAYS over rating our players-TTBT is that Ellis hasn't given us a full season's worth of play in years. On a scale of 1-10 I'd rate him a solid 6 6 is way below average on a scale of 1-10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 That was my first thought too when I looked at that lineup. An all pro secondary is nothing without a good front 7 which begins with a stout defensive line. Sure you're LBs are good but you need a D line that can protect them. Thanks for the Patzie input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 3, 2009 Author Share Posted March 3, 2009 6 is way below average on a scale of 1-10? Wouldnt 5 be average? Anyways... how many 3-4 teams are there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 6 is way below average on a scale of 1-10? It's the new math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 again, I think the coaching schemes are gonna help this defence be beastly, including ellis & coleman. Jenkins is already proven. I truly hope so j-dub but think back to all the time guys like Cutler and Shawn Hill had to throw after Thanksgiving-there was NO pressure whatsoever from our front 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 he disappears for half seasons at a time since 2005...I'd like to see him and BT playing a LOT less-like half the plays since they only put out that much effort anyway..Coleman? Come ON start Mikey DeVito over him that guy is the Invisible Man so leading the team in sacks counts for nothing, I mean c'mon the guy has no depth and he's asked to do so much give him some help in the draft like a Ron Brace look how much he improved after Jenkins joined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 6 is way below average on a scale of 1-10? yea add Ellis' 6 and Coleman's 3.5 and it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Big Cat is still good for the Jets, why there is hate i just don't know, what do people want from him. As far as Coleman, he's fine, maybe he's a little overpaid, and another person could be brought in and do better, but he a good player for the rotation, he's better than DeVito, Pouha, and Kareem Brown That's where you draft a young 3/4 DE and bring him along to take over in the next year or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 so leading the team in sacks counts for nothing, I mean c'mon the guy has no depth and he's asked to do so much give him some help in the draft like a Ron Brace look how much he improved after Jenkins joined 1 sack in the 2nd half of 2008-7 the first half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 i don't think our d-line is as bad as some you people are making it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 3, 2009 Author Share Posted March 3, 2009 1 sack in the 2nd half of 2008-7 the first half That was more Mangini than anything else... he ****ed up the whole D... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 1 sack in the 2nd half of 2008-7 the first half so, everybody tailed off when Mangini panicked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 3, 2009 Author Share Posted March 3, 2009 There is 10 teams that run the 3-4 D ( I think ) Thats 20 starting DE's in the 3-4 Name 6 or 7 better than Ellis... name 10 better than Coleman... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Put Kimo von Douchebag or an Alvin McKinley or Fred Wakefield in his place for a whole season and tell me that Ellis is way below average. Lord, help me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 3, 2009 Author Share Posted March 3, 2009 Put Kimo von Douchebag or an Alvin McKinley or Fred Wakefield in his place for a whole season and tell me that Ellis is way below average. Lord, help me. I am way too lazy to do it now... but I bet if we gather a list of the 20 or so starting DE's in the 3-4 system Ellis will look pretty damn good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 I am way too lazy to do it now... but I bet if we gather a list of the 20 or so starting DE's in the 3-4 system Ellis will look pretty damn good... Laziness has nothing to do with it. If you seriously don't think there are 7 ends better than Ellis or 10 better than Coleman, having somebody else do the legwork ain't gonna cure what ails you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 as Barton said the other day; "Our D-line still sucks" Ellis and Coleman are way below average these days True, but the improved LB core will help. Plus, we really only need on DE to have the defense pretty well stitched up, I would say there aren't many other teams that or now in the comfortable postion we are on D between players, coaches, and holes. Offense on the other hand.......lol Overall, I really like were we are at with a month until the draft. We made some great moves without forgoing a lot of picks. Also, with the sgnings we now have decent depth at some positions as some of last years starters will slide back into the depth chart. One other thing, Gholston. Seems like Suggs was in the same situation, and if this staff can get 80% of what they got out of Suggs, it will be big for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Looks good on paper, the depth, not so much. I just hope they can stay healthy Jets have been real lucky in that department under Mangini, nothing major. Knock on wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 I am way too lazy to do it now... but I bet if we gather a list of the 20 or so starting DE's in the 3-4 system Ellis will look pretty damn good... It's not about ranking. It's the "WAY below average" notion. And frankly, a lot of guys looked below their talent level under Mangini & Sutton. The only exceptions I can think of are Jenkins & Revis. Everyone else has better talent than they displayed on the field. When you don't send any LB'ers or safeties in to rush the passer, 5 linemen (and maybe a TE or HB/FB) can frequently hold off 3 linemen for quite a while. Not every team we play has a 39 year-old statue back there waiting to get clobbered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 3, 2009 Author Share Posted March 3, 2009 Laziness has nothing to do with it. If you seriously don't think there are 7 ends better than Ellis or 10 better than Coleman, having somebody else do the legwork ain't gonna cure what ails you. 3-4 DE's not just DE's in general... there is a big difference... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 3-4 DE's not just DE's in general... there is a big difference... Thanks for the primer. I meant 3-4 also. There are easily 7 better than Ellis and 10 better than Coleman (of which Ellis actually isn't one, though you are of course free to frame your question as you like). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Starting 3-4 DEs NY: Ellis, Coleman NE: Seymour, Warren PIT: Smith, Keisel Balt: Ngata, Pryce CLE: Williams, Smith Denver: ??? Engleberger? McKinley? KC: ??? McBride/Hali/Dorsey?? SD: Olshansky, Castillo Dallas: [Canty][bowen], Spears AZ: flex 3-4/4-3. Smith, Dockery? Putting those into ranks/tiers, I'd say: Elite: 1) Ngata 2) Seymour 3) Warren 4) Smith (PIT) [if he was still a 3-4 end, Canty would slot in here] Very Good: 5) Castillo 6) Williams 7) Ellis 8) Spears Serviceable: 9) Olshansky 10) Keisel 11) Pryce 12) Coleman 13) Smith (AZ) 14) Dockery? In dire need of replacement: 15) Bowen 16) Smith (CLE) 17-20) The DEs for KC and Den. Comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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