Freemanm Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I know he gets a lot of negative publicity, but in my opinon Burress did what he was supposed to do this past season, and that was to be a red-zone specialist (8 TD catches). I don't know what his asking price is, but I think we do still need a playmaker in the red zone to take coverage off of Keller. his importance is underscored by the fact that, for obvious reasons, Homes probably won't be back. _________________________________________________ Jets GM Non-Committal About Burress' Return New York Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum praised the efforts of wide receiver Plaxico Burress this season, but would not say for sure whether the formerly incarcerated wide out would be back in 2012, according to the New York Daily News. “He did a great job for us,” Tannenbaum told the paper. “I thought his blocking, he did a really good job with that. Obviously, he helped us in the red zone. . . . And he was a real pro. “He’s really an interesting guy and he was a really good teammate. Free agency is a couple of months away, and we’ll look at everything.” Burress signed a one-year, $3 million guaranteed deal with the Jets after spending two years in prison for criminal possession of a weapon and reckless endangerment. The charges stemmed from an incident in a New York night club where the wide receiver accidently shot himself in the leg when a firearm he was carrying in his sweatpants misfired. Prior to his arrest, he was considered to be one of the better players at his position in the NFL. In 2011 Burress, 34, recorded 45 receptions and eight touchdowns in 16 games for New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 The real question is why would he ever want to come back here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyB Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Burress had lousey numbers for a number two receiver. 8 TDs aside, he was not that productive. There were games he was completely invisible. Part of the problem could be the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoping4ASuperBowl Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Well as cautious as I was when we first signed him, he did help our offense in the red zone. It's gonna suck seeing him go and how it'll affect our offense in the red zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I know he gets a lot of negative publicity, but in my opinon Burress did what he was supposed to do this past season, and that was to be a red-zone specialist (8 TD catches). I don't know what his asking price is, but I think we do still need a playmaker in the red zone to take coverage off of Keller. his importance is underscored by the fact that, for obvious reasons, Homes probably won't be back. Plax caught three TDS in one game and scored in 6 games, that leaves 10 games without a score. I do agree that we need another red zone target, just think we need someone who is more explosive and can have an impact anywhere on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 And don't think for a second the current issues with Holmes aren't giving the Jets serious pause in re-signing Plax. Holmes was run out of town in Pittsburgh and then came to the Jets and while in a contract year, played the part of the good teammate perfectly. Then he got himself his big contract and has been mediocre at best on the field and an absolute disaster off of it. Plax's history isn't exactly sparkling either, and certainly has to be worrying the Jets about repeating the same mistakes. Not to mention while he was solid, he wasn't anything great and he's up there in years, particularly for a WR, so how much are you really going to commit to the guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 When Plax is the behaved WR, well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Plax caught three TDS in one game and scored in 6 games, that leaves 10 games without a score. I do agree that we need another red zone target, just think we need someone who is more explosive and can have an impact anywhere on the field. He caught plenty of TDs. With Holmes catching 8, Keller 5, a few others scattered around, and Sanchez running it in himself a half dozen times, and all the turnovers, how many do you think he should have had? Or is Sanchez the wonder-suck expected to throw 35 TD's no matter what? He's a red-zone threat and a good one. He takes 2 defenders covering him in the EZ or else he's open -- IF you have a QB who can throw it where only Plaxico can reach it, which we don't. He has other problems or limitations with his game and isn't getting any younger, and it's probably why he won't be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Red zone target was something Jets fans tried to use to convince themselves Plax was any good. He was brutal this year and couldn't get off the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I'm torn on him. He's purely a complimentary piece in an offense with his ability to dominate short yardage and red zone situations at this point. A good young TE that compliments Keller well can do his job personally, and I'd rather go that route. Still, like with Holmes I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt simply because Sanchez sucks. He should be one of at least two pass catchers brought in this offseason if he is brought back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Burress had lousey numbers for a number two receiver. 8 TDs aside, he was not that productive. There were games he was completely invisible. Part of the problem could be the QB. First off, he's the 3rd maybe 4th option since Mark only likes to throw to Keller or his Rb's. That said, he's right on pace for the normal production of the 3rd option in this system. In regards to the article: Tanny is always non-committal - but Plax is a FA. Why on earth would a WR openly chose to play of the Jets? He'll go somewhere with a competent QB who knows how to throw to him and utilize his size and be a stud for 2 years. Book it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 He caught plenty of TDs. With Holmes catching 8, Keller 5, a few others scattered around, and Sanchez running it in himself a half dozen times, and all the turnovers, how many do you think he should have had? Or is Sanchez the wonder-suck expected to throw 35 TD's no matter what? He's a red-zone threat and a good one. He takes 2 defenders covering him in the EZ or else he's open -- IF you have a QB who can throw it where only Plaxico can reach it, which we don't. He has other problems or limitations with his game and isn't getting any younger, and it's probably why he won't be back. Which is exactly what I mentioned in my post. Everybody says he is a great red zone target which I agreed with but what impact did he have in the games he didnt score in? He is not an everydown reciever, more of a situational red zone threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Which is exactly what I mentioned in my post. Everybody says he is a great red zone target which I agreed with but what impact did he have in the games he didnt score in? He is not an everydown reciever, more of a situational red zone threat. And then I'm sure people will say it's what hampered Sanchez's "development" yet again. So the excuse is built in. If Plaxico returns it's hard on Sanchez. If Plaxico is replaced, it's hard on Sanchez. Personally, I think they'll draft a WR in the first 2 rounds even though that hasn't been Tannenbaum's M.O. I think his line of thought of late is that top-notch WRs usually take a few years to develop and FA WR's are an instant-hit, so he goes for the instant-hit and therefore you get faster return on the mid-round draft picks surrendered to get a Holmes or an Edwards. And if one isn't available or we don't get lucky in the draft, then we add a Plaxico and Mason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoping4ASuperBowl Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I think his line of thought of late is that top-notch WRs usually take a few years to develop and FA WR's are an instant-hit, so he goes for the instant-hit and therefore you get faster return on the mid-round draft picks surrendered to get a Holmes or an Edwards. And if one isn't available or we don't get lucky in the draft, then we add a Plaxico and Mason. He should apply that same philosophy to QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 He should apply that same philosophy to QB. Well he should have in 2009. And he may just do that this year. When the GM is asked about the QB position, and his reply is that they'll be looking at opportunities to improve the team at every position, it means the complete and total confidence in Sanchez has evaporated. Would he say that the Jets will look to improve every position if he was asked if Revis's starting job was safe? Not likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 And then I'm sure people will say it's what hampered Sanchez's "development" yet again. So the excuse is built in. If Plaxico returns it's hard on Sanchez. If Plaxico is replaced, it's hard on Sanchez. Personally, I think they'll draft a WR in the first 2 rounds even though that hasn't been Tannenbaum's M.O. I think his line of thought of late is that top-notch WRs usually take a few years to develop and FA WR's are an instant-hit, so he goes for the instant-hit and therefore you get faster return on the mid-round draft picks surrendered to get a Holmes or an Edwards. And if one isn't available or we don't get lucky in the draft, then we add a Plaxico and Mason. I think that some people look at anything said about improving players/positions on the offense as excuses being made for Sanchez. We need a real #1 receiver, a RT, a blocking TE, and a more explosive RB all of which has nothing to do with whether or not Sanchez is here or not. As Rex said its about the Jets first. As far as drafting a WR early, I agree with you and hope they do. Trading for WRs that dont stay with the team long term doesnt help the offense. We gave what Stuckey, Trusnick, a 3rd rounder, and a 5th rounder for Braylon who was here for a year and a half? Id rather draft a WR early and potentially have someone here for the long haul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I think that some people look at anything said about improving players/positions on the offense as excuses being made for Sanchez. We need a real #1 receiver, a RT, a blocking TE, and a more explosive RB all of which has nothing to do with whether or not Sanchez is here or not. As Rex said its about the Jets first. As far as drafting a WR early, I agree with you and hope they do. Trading for WRs that dont stay with the team long term doesnt help the offense. We gave what Stuckey, Trusnick, a 3rd rounder, and a 5th rounder for Braylon who was here for a year and a half? Id rather draft a WR early and potentially have someone here for the long haul. I think he's worried about busting on a 1st round WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoping4ASuperBowl Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Well he should have in 2009. And he may just do that this year. When the GM is asked about the QB position, and his reply is that they'll be looking at opportunities to improve the team at every position, it means the complete and total confidence in Sanchez has evaporated. Would he say that the Jets will look to improve every position if he was asked if Revis's starting job was safe? Not likely. He should have but we were riding the philosophy Rex imported from Baltimore with Flacco. If it worked for Batlimore, it's gotta work here in NY too right? I thought that mentality was faulty to begin with. Yes they had SOME immediate success, but Flacco took a step back this year even with the great Cam Cameron there and Ray Rice and we don't have a defense like Baltimore to back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 What this means is that they want him back, but they aren't paying him 3 million. Vets Min, and he's back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I think he's worried about busting on a 1st round WR. Well the Jets havent drafted a WR in the first 3 rounds in 10 years. If he is that scared about busting on a first round WR he can always pay some attention to the position in rounds 2 or 3. The Steelers got Wallace and Sanders in the 3rd and Brown in the 6th so it doesnt neccessarily take a first rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Well the Jets havent drafted a WR in the first 3 rounds in 10 years. If he is that scared about busting on a first round WR he can always pay some attention to the position in rounds 2 or 3. The Steelers got Wallace and Sanders in the 3rd and Brown in the 6th so it doesnt neccessarily take a first rounder. Those 2nd & 3rd round picks have gone towards Sanchez, Edwards, Cromartie, Favre, Jenkins, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 The real question is why would he ever want to come back here? Wow. Like magic I thought it and you typed it. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 As a role player? Yes, bring him back w/o a doubt. As a starter? No. All of this means jack, btw. We need the QB to get our WRs the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Burress had lousey numbers for a number two receiver. 8 TDs aside, he was not that productive. There were games he was completely invisible. Part of the problem could be the QB. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoping4ASuperBowl Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Well the Jets havent drafted a WR in the first 3 rounds in 10 years. If he is that scared about busting on a first round WR he can always pay some attention to the position in rounds 2 or 3. The Steelers got Wallace and Sanders in the 3rd and Brown in the 6th so it doesnt neccessarily take a first rounder. We haven't drafted a WR in the first 3 rounds in 10 years cause we don't have a damn clue how to evaluate and develop a WR. The last good WR we drafted was Coles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Those 2nd & 3rd round picks have gone towards Sanchez, Edwards, Cromartie, Favre, Jenkins, etc. Which is a big part of the problem as most of the guys we trade for arent here any longer. We also used our 2nd and 3rd rounders on Jon Mc Graw, Chris Baker, Victor hobson, BJ Askew, Derrick Strait, Mike Nugent, Justin Miller, Kellen Clemens, Anthony Schlegel, Vladimir Ducasse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Which is a big part of the problem as most of the guys we trade for arent here any longer. We also used our 2nd and 3rd rounders on Jon Mc Graw, Chris Baker, Victor hobson, BJ Askew, Derrick Strait, Mike Nugent, Justin Miller, Kellen Clemens, Anthony Schlegel, Vladimir Ducasse. I was only outlining those used on 2nd/3rd round picks since Tannenbaum became GM. And I forgot about Clemens...and Thomas Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Burress accomplished what he needed to do here--he played 16 games and showed he could still catch a football. Now some nitwit team will give him a 3 year, $10m dollar deal while Tannenbaum goes out and overpays for a free agent receiver to come here and catch 50 passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I was only outlining those used on 2nd/3rd round picks since Tannenbaum became GM. And I forgot about Clemens...and Thomas Jones. And lets throw in the trade ups for Keller and Greene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 And lets throw in the trade ups for Keller and Greene. The picks used to actually draft Greene and Keller, yes. The picks used to trade up didn't cost 2nd-3rd rounders. Besides, I don't think moving up to draft Keller instead of taking a WR hurt us. Green Bay didn't get anybody good after trading down to our original position amirite? Oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Burress was supposed to be Braylon's replacement. And he failed miserably to replace Braylon. No speed. Had difficulty getting off the line. Just a very mediocre season. And considering 3 of his 8 TDs came in one game not sure he had an even impact throughout the season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 The picks used to actually draft Greene and Keller, yes. The picks used to trade up didn't cost 2nd-3rd rounders. Besides, I don't think moving up to draft Keller instead of taking a WR hurt us. Green Bay didn't get anybody good after trading down to our original position amirite? Oops. Saturday, April 26, 2008 Jets Trade Up, Draft Dustin Keller The New York Jets sent a 2nd and 4th round picks to the Green Bay Packers to move back into the 1st round. The Jets used the 29th pick on Purdue h-back Dustin Keller, a converted wide receiver who may or may not have seen a blocking sled during his career. Keller enjoyed a meteoric rise up NFL draft boards after a scintillating workout at the Combine in February, and supplanted USC's Fred Davis as the top tight end in the minds of many draftniks. Keller is useless playing on the line, and I expect the Jets to use him much in the same manner as Indianapolis uses Dallas Clark. Posted by Brian McIntyre at <a class="timestamp-link" href="http://www.macsfootballblog.com/2008/04/jets-trade-up-draft-dustin-keller.html" rel="bookmark" title="permanent link">6:29 PM Labels: New York Jets; Dustin Keller 2 36 Green Bay Packers Nelson, JordyJordy Nelson WR Kansas State Big 12 from New York Jets 4 102 Green Bay Packers Thompson, JeremyJeremy Thompson DE Wake Forest ACC from New York Jets Jets obviously didnt have Wallace on their radar, but had they stayed put they could have drafted him and kept their picks if they didnt make the move up for Greene. Draft hindsight is 20/20, but we certaintly havent done a good job in the 2nd and 3rd rounds whether we kept the pick or with the trades we have made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Saturday, April 26, 2008 Jets Trade Up, Draft Dustin Keller The New York Jets sent a 2nd and 4th round picks to the Green Bay Packers to move back into the 1st round. The Jets used the 29th pick on Purdue h-back Dustin Keller, a converted wide receiver who may or may not have seen a blocking sled during his career. Keller enjoyed a meteoric rise up NFL draft boards after a scintillating workout at the Combine in February, and supplanted USC's Fred Davis as the top tight end in the minds of many draftniks. Keller is useless playing on the line, and I expect the Jets to use him much in the same manner as Indianapolis uses Dallas Clark. Posted by Brian McIntyre at <a class="timestamp-link" href="http://www.macsfootballblog.com/2008/04/jets-trade-up-draft-dustin-keller.html" rel="bookmark" title="permanent link">6:29 PM Labels: New York Jets; Dustin Keller 2 36 Green Bay Packers Nelson, JordyJordy Nelson WR Kansas State Big 12 from New York Jets 4 102 Green Bay Packers Thompson, JeremyJeremy Thompson DE Wake Forest ACC from New York Jets Jets obviously didnt havge Wallace on thier radar, but had they stayed put they could have drafted him and kept their picks. Draft hindsight is 20/20, but we certaintly havent done a good job in the second and 3rd round whether we kept the pick or with the trades we have made. Exactly. They used their 2nd round pick for Keller and a 4th round pick to goose that 2nd round pick up into the bottom of round 1. They didn't use another 2nd or 3rd round pick to trade up from their 2nd round pick. And yes the draft hindsight is VERY 20/20. Three of the first 4 WRs taken that year are busts. So sure, they could have taken Jordy Nelson. They also could have taken James Hardy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Burress had lousey numbers for a number two receiver. 8 TDs aside, he was not that productive. There were games he was completely invisible. Part of the problem could be the QB. Ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Exactly. They used their 2nd round pick for Keller and a 4th round pick to goose that 2nd round pick up into the bottom of round 1. They didn't use another 2nd or 3rd round pick to trade up from their 2nd round pick. And yes the draft hindsight is VERY 20/20. Three of the first 4 WRs taken that year are busts. So sure, they could have taken Jordy Nelson. They also could have taken James Hardy. Yeah that draft was known to be a very weak one for receivers, thats why none were taken in the first round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.