flgreen Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Green Day: Chilly start for rookie Winters December, 4, 2013 DEC 4 8:00 AM ET By Rich Cimini | ESPNNewYork.com The New York Jets have a Geno Smith situation unfolding at left guard. If you haven't noticed, rookie Brian Winters is struggling, really struggling. Even though he has started only eight games, Winters tops all guards in the NFL with nine sacks allowed, according to ProFootballFocus.com. For an interior lineman, nine sacks is the equivalent of 19 interceptions for a quarterback, but at least Smith can say he's played every game. If Rex Ryan wants to do what's in the best interest of the team, as he always says, he'd bench Winters -- if, in fact, he has that power. Look, we know Vladimir Ducasse isn't the second coming of Larry Allen, but he would be an upgrade at the position. For those keeping track, he allowed two sacks in four games before being benched in favor of Winters. We know why Ducasse isn't playing: He's in the final year of his contract and he'll be playing elsewhere next season. Winters was John Idzik's third-round pick, and the first-year general manager is calling the shots here, folks. Winters is part of the future, so Idzik wants him on the field even if he's hurting the present. Similar politics are playing out at the quarterback position, where Smith has done nothing over the last few weeks to justify his starting role. Idzik preaches competition, but the playing field isn't always level. ICYMI: As expected, the Jets placed KR Josh Cribbs (shoulder) on season-ending injured reserve. To replace him, the Jets signed return specialist Darius Reynaud, most recently of the Tennessee Titans. They killed two birds with one signing, as Reynaud can return punts and kickoffs. ... The Jets worked out several players Tuesday, including Reynaud and CB DeQuan Menzie (Detroit Lions, Kansas City Chiefs). ... The Jets dropped only one spot in the ESPN.com Power Rankings, slipping to No. 23. ... Our film review of the Jets' nightmare loss to the Miami Dolphins. Warning: Contains graphic descriptions of botched plays; for mature audiences only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 OK Cimini is taking his shots at Idzik. Vlad is not playing because he is just as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Ducasse is not an upgrade. Idzik missed the boatload of good guards in the draft. Winters has a ways to go but he could be serviceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 What about trying one of the other rookies there? Campbell or Aboushi....how bad they can they be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted December 4, 2013 Author Share Posted December 4, 2013 What about trying one of the other rookies there? Campbell or Aboushi....how bad they can they be? In camp at least Aboushi was one of the worst guards I had ever seen. Can't remember what Campbell did, but if you put Aboushi out there Smith will die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 BENCH EVER'BODY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 people say Vlad is just as bad as Winters... it's not true. Vlad had a spell of penalties but Winters is absolutely worse (and he gets penalties too). the article is 100% correct vlad isn't playing because the Jets aren't gonna resign him. But in a true meritocracy he would be playing LG and matt simms would be the starting QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Yep. All reports were that Aboushi was atrocious and Campbell was a sixth round pick swapped from DT to OG ala Brandon Moore. He is a project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 people say Vlad is just as bad as Winters... it's not true. Vlad had a spell of penalties but Winters is absolutely worse (and he gets penalties too). the article is 100% correct vlad isn't playing because the Jets aren't gonna resign him. But in a true meritocracy he would be playing LG and matt simms would be the starting QB. Sad that we burn a 2nd and a 3rd on two guards and neither are any good, probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 This draft was a disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 50 players are having the worst years of their lives. Has somebody checked the water at Florham Park? Going out on a limb here in suggesting that they'll play better for the new coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Going out on a limb here in suggesting that they'll play better for the new coach. you're hoping they play better. the simplest answer is that half the roster is street free agents and they just stink. lets be real it's not like this was a loaded roster expected to do all sorts of great things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Sad that we burn a 2nd and a 3rd on two guards and neither are any good, probably. the whole thing is an overreaction to not drafting Chance Warmack. We don't need a guard in round 1! instead we'll sign Stephen Peterman, draft a guard in rd 3, draft a guard in rd 5 and draft a guard in rd 6. That should do it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 you're hoping they play better. the simplest answer is that half the roster is street free agents and they just stink. lets be real it's not like this was a loaded roster expected to do all sorts of great things. What's the excuse for the last three years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 What's the excuse for the last three years? They don't have a QB. If they hire a new coach and continue to not have a QB, mark my words, we will be in the same spot or worse this time next year. If they hire a new coach and find him a QB, the team will have success (and everyone will praise the coach). the coach gets credit and blame unfairly it's really the players that make the difference in this league. One player in particular the quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Yeah, this wasn't exactly an auspicious debut for Johnny Rockets. I'm clinging to the hope that a big part of the problem is the holdover scouts who have since been replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I'm clinging to the hope that a big part of the problem is the holdover scouts who have since been replaced. I feel like there should be at least one comma in this sentence, but damned if I know where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Idzik's first draft is poor based on one year- my hope ids that at least Milliner can turn into a player and not a turnstile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 They don't have a QB. If they hire a new coach and continue to not have a QB, mark my words, we will be in the same spot or worse this time next year. If they hire a new coach and find him a QB, the team will have success (and everyone will praise the coach). the coach gets credit and blame unfairly it's really the players that make the difference in this league. One player in particular the quarterback. Agreed they need to find the QB, but the Jets have had a player development issue since 09. The product you're seeing now is the result of that attrition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Idzik's first draft is poor based on one year- my hope ids that at least Milliner can turn into a player and not a turnstile. beyond looking totally lost on the field, Milliner doesn't even look that fast. I have no idea what's wrong with him but even sucking he should be able to run in a straight line and it doesn't look like he can do that. This was a total debacle of a pick, especially with Warmack being the obvious pick. Reminds me of Bryan Thomas / Ed Reed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Was Warford available where Geno went? That was the mistake. This is probably a #6 team with him at guard and Sanchez at QB. Sad but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 A ******* guard wasn't turning this into a good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Yeah, this wasn't exactly an auspicious debut for Johnny Rockets. I'm clinging to the hope that a big part of the problem is the holdover scouts who have since been replaced. Idzik isn't a personnel guy, his strength is apparently being a grown-up in rooms. He brought in Rod Graves to be his personnel guy, and couldn't come up with anyone worthy of replacing Bradway. I'm sure things are looking up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Idzik isn't a personnel guy, his strength is apparently being a grown-up in rooms. He brought in Rod Graves to be his personnel guy, and couldn't come up with anyone worthy of replacing Bradway. I'm sure things are looking up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTfWOhDGifY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Idzik isn't a personnel guy, his strength is apparently being a grown-up in rooms. He brought in Rod Graves to be his personnel guy, and couldn't come up with anyone worthy of replacing Bradway. I'm sure things are looking up. How hard can it be to not draft Stephen Hill or Vernon Gholston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 This draft was a disaster If Sheldon becomes what it looks like he will become, we did fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 If Sheldon becomes what it looks like he will become, we did fine. Eventually you need to find guys who can play in rounds 2-7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 How hard can it be to not draft Stephen Hill or Vernon Gholston. Obviously you are not looking at our drafts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 How hard can it be to not draft Stephen Hill or Vernon Gholston. Rod Graves best QB pick in his 15 years as the Cardinals GM looks to be Jake Plummer, in his first year, presumably with the holdover scouts from the previous regime. He did select T0mShane favorite Matt Leinart 10th overall once, though, so that's something. But Idzik was on the payroll when the Seahawks drafted Russell Wilson, so all's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Rod Graves best QB pick in his 15 years as the Cardinals GM looks to be Jake Plummer, in his first year, presumably with the holdover scouts from the previous regime. He did select T0mShane favorite Matt Leinart 10th overall once, though, so that's something. But Idzik was on the payroll when the Seahawks drafted Russell Wilson, so all's good. He didn't luck into The Magic Quarterback, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted December 4, 2013 Author Share Posted December 4, 2013 Rod Graves best QB pick in his 15 years as the Cardinals GM looks to be Jake Plummer, in his first year, presumably with the holdover scouts from the previous regime. He did select T0mShane favorite Matt Leinart 10th overall once, though, so that's something. But Idzik was on the payroll when the Seahawks drafted Russell Wilson, so all's good. Yes he was, but Pete sent him for coffee when he and Schneider discussed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I would love to have a Jake Plummer with this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 the whole thing is an overreaction to not drafting Chance Warmack. We don't need a guard in round 1! instead we'll sign Stephen Peterman, draft a guard in rd 3, draft a guard in rd 5 and draft a guard in rd 6. That should do it ! I don't support drafting a guard top 10. What I do support is doing a better job of scouting offensive linemen so we don't have to burn early picks on bust guards. I know, silly me, asking for too much out of an NFL organization.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Eventually you need to find guys who can play in rounds 2-7. Granted.. but SR has the look of a long time all pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 If you owned a restaurant and you kept sending different ingredients back to the kitchen and the food came out every time tasting like sh*t even though you changed distributors, when do you start to blame the chef? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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