Jetsfan80 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 None of the 3 QB's came out of this looking great: Manziel: 5 feet, 11 and 3/4 inches; 207 lbs; 9 and 7/8" hands This means that if Manziel goes in the 1st round as expected, he'll be the 1st QB under 6 feet drafted in the first round since 1953. Wilson became the first QB under 6 feet to win a Super Bowl last year, but is Manziel as good as Wilson? Will Manziel have the kind of roster surrounding him that Wilson has? Wilson didn't even play particularly well down the stretch or in the postseason en route to his championship. Manziel is expected to be taken by a bad team. Bridgewater: 6 feet, 2 and 1/8 inches; 214 lbs; 9 and 1/4" hands Bridgewater is simply too small at 214 lbs. And his hand size is even more concerning. Cold weather teams shouldn't even think about taking Bridgewater in the 1st round. Daunte Culpepper, for comparison, had 9.5 inch hands, and it was a big factor to him having fumbling problems his entire career (75 fumbles over a 5-year period from 2000-04, after which he became a nonfactor in the NFL). Bortles: 6 feet, 5 inches; 232 lbs; 9 and 3/8" hands Bortles basically has an ideal frame but his hands, like Bridgewater's, are on the smallish size for QB's. We knew all 3 QB's had some question marks going in from a standpoint of "can these guys play?" Now we know that they also have issues from a physical standpoint as well. It's no wonder the teams with the top 3 picks have all be rumored to be looking to move down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 the fact that russell wilson just won the super bowl changes the manziel evaluation. You can't just write off a guy for being short anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 the fact that russell wilson just won the super bowl changes the manziel evaluation. You can't just write off a guy for being short anymore. ..umm I'm pretty sure Drew Brees put that to rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 the fact that russell wilson just won the super bowl changes the manziel evaluation. You can't just write off a guy for being short anymore. Umm, Never have, never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 No. But anyone who thinks Manziel is a Brees or Wilson in waiting is a moron. Wilson and Brees have the ability to pick apart a defense from the pocket. And Brees had to compensate for his lack of height by learning to crane his neck and seek out passing lanes. Teams that are able to take away his top option or get in the way of those passing lanes expose him. Just look what the Jets did to him this season. If even Brees has trouble with his height at times, it'll be even worse for Manziel. Manziel relied on throws that he'll never be able to make in the pro game, with Mike Evans making circus catches that few receivers can. Manziel wouldn't be worth a top 5 choice even if he was 6-3. His height just adds the final nail to the coffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 No. But anyone who thinks Manziel is a Brees or Wilson in waiting is a moron. Wilson and Brees have the ability to pick apart a defense from the pocket. Manziel relied on throws that he'll never be able to make in the pro game, with Mike Evans making circus catches that few receivers can. JoeWillie78=Moron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Cold weather teams shouldn't even think about taking Bridgewater in the 1st round. This is dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 This is dumb. Oh? Go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Oh? Go on. Jim Druckenmiller: 11 1/4 Heath Shuler: 10 5/8 Mark Sanchez: 10 1/2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 Jim Druckenmiller: 11 1/4 Heath Shuler: 10 5/8 Mark Sanchez: 10 1/2 Big hands certainly don't automatically = success. But small hands certainly CAN lead to disastrous results. Can you find some small hands QB's that have done well? If so I will retract my argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 David Klingler had 9.25 inch hands. So does Kevin Kolb. Michael Vick has 8.5 inch hands, and he's had turnover problems his entire career as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 Meanwhile Brett Favre had 10 and 3/8 inch hands. Brees 10.25 inch hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Oh? Go on. 9.25 isn't that small. Obviously it 'd be better for everyone involved if he had giant Favre hands, but you're talking about dropping a guy 30-some spots because his hands are slightly smaller than average. May as well take him off your board entirely because he's 6'2" and not 6'5". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehFalcon63 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 >Implying these numbers mean anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 9.25 isn't that small. It is if you're trying to date the OP. Eh? Amirite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Big hands certainly don't automatically = success. But small hands certainly CAN lead to disastrous results. Can you find some small hands QB's that have done well? If so I will retract my argument. Aaron Rogers: 9 3/8 Matt Ryan: 9 1/2 Kaepernick: 9 1/8 Bradford: 9 1/2 Locker: 9 5/8 Ryan Tannehill: 9 RGIII: 9 1/2 Newton: 9 7/8 Flacco: 9 5/8 now shut your whore mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 Aaron Rogers: 9 3/8 Matt Ryan: 9 1/2 Kaepernick: 9 1/8 Bradford: 9 1/2 Locker: 9 5/8 Ryan Tannehill: 9 RGIII: 9 1/2 Newton: 9 7/8 Flacco: 9 5/8 now shut your whore mouth. Of that list, only Kaepernick and Tannehill have smaller hands than Bridgewater. 9.5 inches is the league average. 9.25 is small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 JoeWillie78=Moron Quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 An eighth of an inch is essentially the edge of a quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 9.25 isn't that small. Obviously it 'd be better for everyone involved if he had giant Favre hands, but you're talking about dropping a guy 30-some spots because his hands are slightly smaller than average. May as well take him off your board entirely because he's 6'2" and not 6'5". He's also undersized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Meanwhile Brett Favre had 10 and 3/8 inch hands. Brees 10.25 inch hands. Farve might have the record for most fumbles by a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Manziel relied on throws that he'll never be able to make in the pro game, why can't Manziel make these throws in the pro game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Of that list, only Kaepernick and Tannehill have smaller hands than Bridgewater. 1st...you're a nerd 2ndly.... "Interesting point on an interview I just heard on sirius radio with Former QB/CBS analysis Phil Simms in regards to QB hand size measurments He said when they release the measurements of the QB's hand its based on the measurement from pinky to thumb, when what really matters (and what they should measure) is the measurement of your hand your wrist to the top of your middle finger...Said it should be based on how long your hand is not how wide." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 why can't Manziel make these throws in the pro game? Because the read option was effectively destroyed along with RG3's knee. If he's asked to stay in the pocket he's in trouble. Far too many of his throws were simply jump-balls that his 6-5 receiver happened to come down with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I've never seen 80 more excited about anything than this discussion of hand size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 He's also undersized. Aaron Rogers was 6'2 and 223 with, essentially, the same size hands. That's 9 lbs. Which is about 3 months worth in an NFL weight room and offseason meal plan. Now shut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 He's also undersized. Eli Manning is 6'4 218. Blow yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Because the read option was effectively destroyed along with RG3's knee. If he's asked to stay in the pocket he's in trouble. Far too many of his throws were simply jump-balls that his 6-5 receiver happened to come down with. If anything his receivers will get better in the league. (Unless he goes to the Jets) all this hate for small hand sizes how about the fact Johnny's are the same size as Cam Newtons btw Johnny isn't read option QB he's an air raid QB. Nick Foles and Geno Smith are also from the air raid system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 He's also undersized. Well, you've sold me. If Bridgewater drops to 18, he can go pound sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Bridgewater fumbled 9 times in 38 college games, just bee tee dubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Manziel father grew 2 inches when he was 21. If Manziel was 6'2" instead of 5"11 3/4 he would be the first pick 2 inches and 20 lbs no one would say a word about him. Just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Meanwhile Brett Favre had 10 and 3/8 inch hands. One text message saved us from an R-rated episode of MythBusters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Bridgewater fumbled 9 times in 38 college games, just bee tee dubs. Aaron Rogers who is the same height, basically has the same size hands and plays in Green Bay fumbled 4 times this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Manziel father grew 2 inches when he was 21. If Manziel was 6'2" instead of 5"11 1/2 he would be the first pick Just saying His mother shrank 4 inches when she was 24. When he's getting ready to sign his second contract, might be 5'7". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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