dbatesman Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Yeah, for this year. It's a prediction. If it comes true, we'll need a new coach, wouldn't you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 If it comes true, we'll need a new coach, wouldn't you say? No, we'll need a new GM. Half his cap space and 12 draft picks and yet this team might be worse than it was last year. That's a major failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 No, we'll need a new GM. Half his cap space and 12 draft picks and yet this team might be worse than it was last year. That's a major failure. Just checking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I don't know if it is a case of loving Idzik. He is different. He goes about things in a different way and he does not give a sh*t what anybody thinks about it. He is not taking advice from anyone and not giving much info. To me this is refreshing. If people around here need a daily fix from the Jets, it is perfectly understandable that John would piss them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Yeah, for this year. It's a prediction. This is why they don't play the games. Amiright? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 As for Rex, I just have doubts about his ability to be a true head coach. He knows his defense, his Xs and Os. I definitely like him. Geno? No love or hate here, but I think he has the physical ability to be good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Yeah, for this year. It's a prediction. Wow your panties are all wadded up because of a guess? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Just checking. GM's build the team, coaches coach. Generally, the overall record reflects on the GM whereas the record in comparison to the anticipated results reflects on the coach. That's my opinion at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 This is why they don't play the games. Amiright? Yeah. Wins and losses happen on the field, not on paper. I'll say this, though. It concerns me more than a stupid bleacher report article or an ESPN analyst's opinion would. The guys at PFF know their stuff. To be fair, a lot can change with camp cuts or if we pull a huge coup, like trading for Andre Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clementi49 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Jets fans bitch about players before one game has even been played. As far as I'm concerned, the soap opera atmosphere that the nfl wants everyone to follow 12 months a year in the long run doesn't matter. All that matters is 16 Sundays during the regular season that really decide anything. No ones opinion really matters either. Not even this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Wow your panties are all wadded up because of a guess? LOL An educated guess, as opposed to that garbage last year from ESPN ranking us dead last, calling it a glorified expansion team, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 GM's build the team, coaches coach. Generally, the overall record reflects on the GM whereas the record in comparison to the anticipated results reflects on the coach. That's my opinion at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 An educated guess, as opposed to that garbage last year from ESPN ranking us dead last, calling it a glorified expansion team, etc. No more an educated guess than picking an fantasy football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I don't know if it is a case of loving Idzik. He is different. He goes about things in a different way and he does not give a sh*t what anybody thinks about it. He is not taking advice from anyone and not giving much info. To me this is refreshing. If people around here need a daily fix from the Jets, it is perfectly understandable that John would piss them off. I don't care what he says, I care what he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 He's the guy that invented building through the draft. He's like the Bill Walsh of that. I don't think this is how analogies work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 GM's build the team, coaches coach. Generally, the overall record reflects on the GM whereas the record in comparison to the anticipated results reflects on the coach. That's my opinion at least. So basically, both Idzik and Rex went 8-8 last season, but Idzik deserves to be fired because we missed the playoffs, while Rex deserves an extension because he outperformed the predictions of some chucklehead on ESPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Idzik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Wow your panties are all wadded up because of a guess? LOL So basically, both Idzik and Rex went 8-8 last season, but Idzik deserves to be fired because we missed the playoffs, while Rex deserves an extension because he outperformed the predictions of some chucklehead on ESPN. No, because for one thing, I wouldn't fire a GM based on his 1st season, except maybe if he went 0-16 and did a bunch of things to embarrass the organization publicly. For another thing, Idzik wasn't able to do much with the roster last season due to the cap situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 So basically, both Idzik and Rex went 8-8 last season, but Idzik deserves to be fired because we missed the playoffs, while Rex deserves an extension because he outperformed the predictions of some chucklehead on ESPN. I don't think many people had a problem with idzik last year. I think they are bitching over what idzik has done this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Yeah. Wins and losses happen on the field, not on paper. I'll say this, though. It concerns me more than a stupid bleacher report article or an ESPN analyst's opinion would. The guys at PFF know their stuff. To be fair, a lot can change with camp cuts or if we pull a huge coup, like trading for Andre Johnson. Trade for Andre Johnson? WTF are you talking about? Given that you are one drawn-out unintelligible meltdown... I'm not putting a lot of stock in any "they know their stuff" point of view you have. LMFAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Trade for Andre Johnson? WTF are you talking about? I'm not saying that I expect a trade for Andre Johnson. I'm saying if they did pull off a trade like that, it would make a substantial difference. I'm using that as an example to show that the current roster can and will change between now and opening day. If Idzik wants to consider this offseason a success, he's got a lot of work left to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 what if you're love boobs, love beer, hate trolls ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I'm not saying that I expect a trade for Andre Johnson. I'm saying if they did pull off a trade like that, it would make a substantial difference. I'm using that as an example to show that the current roster can and will change between now and opening day. If Idzik wants to consider this offseason a success, he's got a lot of work left to do. I think you mean... "If Idzik wants YOU to consider this offseason a success" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I don't think this is how analogies work. I think I know what you mean now. You thought I was referring to Bill Walsh's drafting abilities. I was talking about his status as the Godfather/Guru/Creator of the West Coast offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I think you mean... "If Idzik wants YOU to consider this offseason a success" Absolutely. He's free to believe that this offseason was a success, despite the fact that he didn't make the team noticeably better. In the same way, you're free to believe you're the Queen of England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Absolutely. He's free to believe that this offseason was a success, despite the fact that he didn't make the team noticeably better. In the same way, you're free to believe you're the Queen of England. cheeriooo!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Youre pretending to be dense in hopes of tiring me out. Not quite. It's just that the counter-argument to not thinking "Izdick is a ******* tool" is usually a lunatic statement like 'extend him for life'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 PLAYER POS STATUS FROM TO YEARS DOLLARS SIGNED Aqib Talib CB Signed NE DEN 6 $57,000,000 Mar 11 Vontae Davis CB Signed IND IND 4 $36,000,000 Mar 11 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB Signed DEN NYG 5 $35,000,000 Mar 17 Alterraun Verner CB Signed TEN TB 4 $25,750,000 Mar 11 Corey Graham CB Signed BAL BUF 4 $16,300,000 Mar 12 Brandon Browner CB Signed SEA NE 3 $12,350,000 Mar 14 Darrelle Revis CB Signed TB NE 1 $12,000,000 Mar 12 Captain Munnerlyn CB Signed CAR MIN 3 $11,250,000 Mar 13 Cortland Finnegan CB Signed STL MIA 2 $11,000,000 Mar 14 Tracy Porter CB Signed OAK WAS 2 $6,250,000 Mar 13 Champ Bailey CB Signed DEN NO 2 $3,750,000 Apr 4 Nolan Carroll CB Signed MIA PHI 2 $3,650,000 Mar 13 Antonio Cromartie CB Signed NYJ ARI 1 $3,500,000 Mar 20 Tarell Brown CB Signed SF OAK 1 $3,500,000 Mar 14 Charles Tillman CB Signed CHI CHI 1 $3,250,000 Mar 14 Walter Thurmond CB Signed SEA NYG 1 $3,000,000 Mar 16 Dimitri Patterson CB Signed MIA NYJ 1 $3,000,000 Apr 1 Brandon Flowers CB Signed KC SD 1 $3,000,000 Jun 24 Carlos Rogers CB Signed SF OAK 1 $2,500,000 Apr 1 Will Blackmon CB Signed JAC JAC 2 $1,875,000 Mar 11 Brandon Ghee CB Signed CIN SD 2 $1,605,000 Mar 13 Marcus Roberson CB Signed (UFDA) STL 3 $1,545,000 May 21 Isaiah Trufant CB Signed NYJ CLE 2 $1,540,000 Mar 11 for those that like to deal with facts ... Damn. How much do we all wish we had DRC, who had one good year and who talked about retirement this off season, on the payroll for the next 5 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Alterraun Verner CB Signed TEN TB 4 $25,750,000 Mar 11 that one hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I'm a Rex fan, but if the team disappoints next season, obviously Rex is the guy to go so Idzik can bring in his own guy. Suggesting otherwise requires the highest level of stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Alterraun Verner CB Signed TEN TB 4 $25,750,000 Mar 11 that one hurt Zone corner. He fits Lovie's Cover 2 nicely but not our system. There's good reason why he only fetched $6.5M per while other corners were getting $8M or more. He hasn't proven he can play the position with his back turned on the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Not quite. It's just that the counter-argument to not thinking "Izdick is a ******* tool" is usually a lunatic statement like 'extend him for life'. Yeah well I'm in the "lets wait and see before we rush to judgement either way". There is no counter argument for that yet (that makes sense anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Zone corner. He fits Lovie's Cover 2 nicely but not our system. There's good reason why he only fetched $6.5M per while other corners were getting $8M or more. He hasn't proven he can play the position with his back turned on the QB. ok cool txs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Zone corner. He fits Lovie's Cover 2 nicely but not our system. There's good reason why he only fetched $6.5M per while other corners were getting $8M or more. He hasn't proven he can play the position with his back turned on the QB. He's a 25 year old who has played at a pro bowl level in the NFL who the hell wants him?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I think my official postion on idzik is; "I support his strategery, but the results could be better" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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