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So the new formula is to pass 50 times a game and have medicore defense?

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Jet9

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Not even close. Brady lasts maybe five years in the NFL I grew up with.

 

Could you imagine the yards Marino would have had with these rules? How many more titles for Montana?

 

 

Agreed. Baseball is one of the few sports where you compare stats over eras with a few exception: Steroid era, and dead ball era.

 

All the other sports have changed so much. Gretzky, as great as he was, wouldn't be putting up 200 points with today's goalies. NFL is basically Arena League now, and Defense is 100% illegal in the NBA now.

 

I also hate hate HATE ranking athletes in team sports based on championships. Marino was freaking awesome. It's not his fault he didn't have much else around him. Cam Neely, Marcel Dionne, Charles Barkley, Marino, Ernie Banks, all never won anything. 

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Agreed. Baseball is one of the few sports where you compare stats over eras with a few exception: Steroid era, and dead ball era.

 

All the other sports have changed so much. Gretzky, as great as he was, wouldn't be putting up 200 points with today's goalies. NFL is basically Arena League now, and Defense is 100% illegal in the NBA now.

 

I also hate hate HATE ranking athletes in team sports based on championships. Marino was freaking awesome. It's not his fault he didn't have much else around him. Cam Neely, Marcel Dionne, Charles Barkley, Marino, Ernie Banks, all never won anything. 

Truth be told if I'm starting a franchise today and I can pick any QB I want in his prime I'm taking Marino hands down, first and only Elway do I think about. But the championships, right or wrong, out of some kind of respect I guess, you have to factor in there with the rankings. 

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Truth be told if I'm starting a franchise today and I can pick any QB I want in his prime I'm taking Marino hands down, first and only Elway do I think about. But the championships, right or wrong, out of some kind of respect I guess, you have to factor in there with the rankings. 

 

That criteria I take Rodgers

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The NFL being the big copy cat league goes through these cycles and a lot of fans buy into it as well.  A team wins the big one and then that is the big formula to winning it all.  last year the Seahawks win it and people swear up and down that great D and ground and pound is the way to go and they proceed to site the Bears, Ravens etc.  The fact that they crushed the juggernaught Broncos was proof positive to this.

 

I've always dismissed these rather one sided 'formulas' for winning it all.  In my opinion you have to be really good at what you have chosen to make your team.  The Pats with their short passing game.  Create turnovers on D.  Each time a new coach or management team comes on board they seem to want to totally deviate from the teams past and thus spend a few years just rolling over personell.

 

You need to do one thing really really well and just be competent in other phases.  You for sure need an eye to have good depth on your team.  In alot of super bowls some no name 3rd stringer comes up with the plays that make the difference.  (The reason we lost to Indy in the AFC title game a few years back was simply because their 3rd best receiver killed our 3rd best cover guy.)

 

One thing I will say that the much hated Idzik had right in his comments was building for 'sustained success'.  That is how you win multiple super bowls.  It's really hard to win 2 in a row or 2 out of 3 but if you are like the Pats and always in the playoffs and always contending you will win your share.

 

What say you all?  What is your magic formula?

It was always a big lie spread around by Defenses that you had to run to win.  I actually think it is the stupid rules.  Don't see why receivers should not get bounced before the ball is released.  The game is pansified.  TV is the reason

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Brady was actually pretty average and the game goat yesterday until his last two scores.

Where do you come up with crap like this?

With the Pats down 10 points in the 4th quarter, Brady goes 13/15, 128 yards and 2 TD's to provide the biggest 4th quarter comeback in the history of the Super Bowl.

Yea, anytime a QB throws a pick in the first 4 minutes of a game it is completely devastating.

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Truth be told if I'm starting a franchise today and I can pick any QB I want in his prime I'm taking Marino hands down, first and only Elway do I think about. But the championships, right or wrong, out of some kind of respect I guess, you have to factor in there with the rankings. 

 

Marino with todays rules would be unstoppable.

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Where do you come up with crap like this?

With the Pats down 10 points in the 4th quarter, Brady goes 13/15, 128 yards and 2 TD's to provide the biggest 4th quarter comeback in the history of the Super Bowl.

Yea, anytime a QB throws a pick in the first 4 minutes of a game it is completely devastating.

He threw 2 picks jackass.

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I would like to see Joe Montana's numbers had he played with this era's rules. Or Johnny Unitas. Or Dan Marino (whom I hate as much as Brady. ) 

 

It's really hard to compare QBs across generations. Can you imagine Namath playing in this era, where breathing on the QB draws a penalty and receivers can't be anally raped like they could in the 1960s?

 

Montana was 4-0 in SBs and never threw a pick and beat two Hall of Famers in his and a third guy who belongs in the Hall in Ken Anderson and he played circles around them in those games. 

 

For all his accomplishments they threw out a stat in the first quarter last night that blew me away. Tom Brady is 1 for 22 on passes that travel 20 yards or more in Super Bowl play. Wilson completed at least four last night alone. I don't know what historical significance that has but it seems to me that the best of all time would be able to connect on more than one deep ball in six Super Bowl games. 

 

 

Although i would still think Montana is number one, because of a no blemishes  record in the superbowl, but  it is really silly to think because he is 1 for 22 on passes traveling over 20 yards should somehow be taken in consideration.

 

he's thrown for over 50 tds ( quite a few long balls to randy moss), and whats more important  then throwing a deep ball, he now officially has the record for most TDs in the playoffs and superbowl  passing yes Montana, and he Brady has gone up against some stellar defenses himself.

 

I like to think, the players now a days are bigger and stronger. I still say Montana is still the GOAT, but to talk about him not throwing the deep ball is like saying well....Michael Jordan wasn't as good as kobe because kobe shot the three point ball better. (and believe me, i heard that argument before)

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Not for nothing, but LB'ers today are as quick as CB's then. Windows close a lot faster

 

That's true. But still from a technical standpoint the only guy that compares to Marino as a pure passer is Rodgers imo. The best I've seen from that criteria are Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Marino and Montana.

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