nj meadowlands Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Not sure if this has been posted anywhere, but think it's interesting and merits its own thread. I really liked Cecil Shorts in JAX as a zoomy slot receiver. Not sure if he would be redundant to Kerley, but it couldn't hurt having all 4 of them. Marshall and Decker on outside, Shorts and Kerley wreaking havoc underneath. Would depend on the contract, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYallDay Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 That would be some 4wr set right here. Id rather draft a young stud though but if we are planning pass rusher and oline help in the first 2 rounds then absolutely sign shorts Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I'm not sure what his value is $ wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 He been pretty decent in a sh*t awful situation. Got less productive with every year though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Not a DB. Not interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 He been pretty decent in a sh*t awful situation. Got less productive with every year though. Touchdown wise, yeah. His catch to target ratio has been pretty consistent for 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYallDay Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Not a DB. Not interested.hahahaha Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khesanh Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Can you guys imagine what practice is going to look like? A real damn NFL game, Ivory, Marshall, Decker, Kerley, Shorts, Amaro VS. Revis, Cro, Skrine, Gilchrist and Pryor. Then Carpenter, Mangold, Ferguson, Colon, Giacomini VS Coples, Wilkerson, Sheldon, (Victor Beasley ), Snacks or Ellis?.....DAMN!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 This would be a great buy low guy coming off an injury. Would be a great addition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony The Wiz Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Cecil Shorts was my sleeper free agent. If this is true, I am all in. I watched him in playoff games for division 3 Mount Union and he was a quick receiver and has had a good career so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 He would be a nice addition and has more speed than Kerley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Not sure if this has been posted anywhere, but think it's interesting and merits its own thread. I really liked Cecil Shorts in JAX as a zoomy slot receiver. Not sure if he would be redundant to Kerley, but it couldn't hurt having all 4 of them. Marshall and Decker on outside, Shorts and Kerley wreaking havoc underneath. Would depend on the contract, I think. Dont get me wrong I love Kerley, but Shorts MUCH better as pure slot WR with YAC capability. Kerley solid, catches ball etc, but isnt a YAC machine like a Great Slot WR should be in NFL.. This would give us great depth if Injury bug hits since Kerley can play BOTH the slot or wideout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 He's got a lot of talent. Often he was the best/only "weapon" down in JAX and still putting up good numbers. The problem with him is health more than anything else -- seemed to get hurt often the past two years. As a #3 option, though? Not bad at all. This interest just begs the question of how are we going to spread the touches around? Gotta figure Marshall and Decker get 10-12 targets a game, a handful to Amaro/Powell/Kerley, and then Shorts and/or a rookie WR. Just interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 That would be some 4wr set right here. Id rather draft a young stud though but if we are planning pass rusher and oline help in the first 2 rounds then absolutely sign shorts Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Haven't found fault with any moves made by Big Mac yet. Love what he has done, but they need to think about Mo Wilkerson. You don't want to have him hit FA next season because it will only cost you more. You can franchise him of course, but that means top 5 money. I think the Jets are going pass rusher at six, and Bryce Petty as QB of the future in round two. OL in the third, LB in the fourth. That's all the picks they have since fifth, sixth and seventh are traded away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Not sure if this has been posted anywhere, but think it's interesting and merits its own thread. I really liked Cecil Shorts in JAX as a zoomy slot receiver. Not sure if he would be redundant to Kerley, but it couldn't hurt having all 4 of them. Marshall and Decker on outside, Shorts and Kerley wreaking havoc underneath. Would depend on the contract, I think. In the modern NFL, you cannot have enough CB's, WR's or QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Why? I mean, I like Cecil and all but why? Enough already. Start taking care of your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Dont get me wrong I love Kerley, but Shorts MUCH better as pure slot WR with YAC capability. Kerley solid, catches ball etc, but isnt a YAC machine like a Great Slot WR should be in NFL.. This would give us great depth if Injury bug hits since Kerley can play BOTH the slot or wideout. The Pats have NOTHING BUT slot receivers and a big, fast TE and they seem to be doing fine. You no longer stretch the field vertically only, you stretch it horizontally as well and that is what good slot guys do. Get Shorts if you can. Maccagnan for Executive of the Year for the job he has done. If he nails it in the draft the Jets will be back baby. Can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Cecil would be fine, but definitely pigeonholes them even further against taking Cooper or White if they're available. Seems like as it is they're heavily leaning edge rushers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 He's got a lot of talent. Often he was the best/only "weapon" down in JAX and still putting up good numbers. The problem with him is health more than anything else -- seemed to get hurt often the past two years. As a #3 option, though? Not bad at all. This interest just begs the question of how are we going to spread the touches around? Gotta figure Marshall and Decker get 10-12 targets a game, a handful to Amaro/Powell/Kerley, and then Shorts and/or a rookie WR. Just interesting. Spread it according to how much they make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 The Pats have NOTHING BUT slot receivers and a big, fast TE and they seem to be doing fine. Yeah but they have perhaps the best QB of all time throwing the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 The Pats have NOTHING BUT slot receivers and a big, fast TE and they seem to be doing fine. You no longer stretch the field vertically only, you stretch it horizontally as well and that is what good slot guys do. Get Shorts if you can. Maccagnan for Executive of the Year for the job he has done. If he nails it in the draft the Jets will be back baby. Can't wait. and Amaro is gonna have a HUGE year as marshall/Decker/Kerley/??Shorts?? garner CB/safety coverage and Jace is sitting there on virtually every play with single LB coverage, LOL.. Like taking candy from a baby, especially if Fitz is playing (or Mariota). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Spread it according to how much they make. Eh...personally I think Marshall-Decker-Amaro. If we get a WR in the 2nd/3rd...I'd put him next. It really all depends on what direction they go with Shorts as he certainly adds a new dynamic. I'm (obviously) biased, but I'd rather get a guy like Hardy and groom him than an injury-prone guy like Shorts. I don't think the drop off to Shorts is so big to give up the extra pay, age, and injury risk. But again...I'm biased Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Yeah but they have perhaps the best QB of all time throwing the ball. Keep in mind that before Gronk was 100% healthy (through the KC game) the talking heads were talking about him being done. A good number of us included. Gronk makes that offense go. Vereen was a HUGE piece as well, which they let walk -- just look at his targets in the Super Bowl. I'm not implying they'll be bad offensively, they won't. Edelman has filled Welker's shoes admirably and if they could get anything out of a guy like Dobson (I'm not even sure what his issue was...injuries maybe?) they will be extremely formidable. But...if Gronk goes down they are not the same team at all. Especially with the safety blanket in Vereen now gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Why? I mean, I like Cecil and all but why? Enough already. Start taking care of your own. Like who? Signing this guy to a show-me contract would prohibit what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Wow- these moves really show just how bare Mac believes the cupboard was in Jetland. Our roster was void of talent. No ones job is safe. Kerleys decent but he's had just a handful of very good plays over the years. I'm for bringing Shorts in, let them all compete, nothing is given or entitled. We need an OLB- the Mariota question outstanding, it seems OLB at #6 We need a speedy RB Duh, we need a QB, - if we did somehow get Brees or anybody decent we could really, really compete but if not this position will continue to bottleneck our real potential But we also need another receiver - if Marsh or Decker get hurt then we're very thin, sorta like what happened at CB last year when Mill and McD went down. That's why I like Shorts. It'll be interesting to see how Shaq Evans plays too. But the days of NEEDING guys like Enunwa to develop are over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Like who? Signing this guy to a show-me contract would prohibit what exactly? Mo, Sheldon, Davis, Harrison. And Im no cap expert but you would think this much spending could come back to haunt you, no? Can you give me an example of a team that is spending like this in FA where it actually paid off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I'm not sure what his value is $ wise. 4 years, $50mil. Actually, scratch that. He's not in his 30s yet, so maybe 2 years $8 mil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Mo, Sheldon, Davis, Harrison. And Im no cap expert but you would think this much spending could come back to haunt you, no? Can you give me an example of a team that is spending like this in FA where it actually paid off? All of those guys are currently under contracts, right? The cap goes up again next year, yes? Except for goodwill, there is no point in locking these guys up right now. I think the Jets set a pretty decent precedent by overpaying Harris that they'll be loyal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I'd prefer Stevie Johnson. He has a rapport with Gailey and Fitz and has had a number of good years. He's only 28 and is coming off a disappointing year in SF so shouldn't command a big contract. In fact we might be able to get him on the cheap on a 1 year prove it type deal as opposed to Shorts who is likely looking for a bigger commitment. If we were to draft Cooper and Shaq impresses then a multi year contract with Shorts seems unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Mo, Sheldon, Davis, Harrison. And Im no cap expert but you would think this much spending could come back to haunt you, no? Can you give me an example of a team that is spending like this in FA where it actually paid off? Im not a huge fan of all this spending, but I think the thinking behind it is that the cap will rise significantly in the near future due to the new tv contracts. Either way, Skrine won't see any of his year 3 money. Probably the same with Cro while Revis will be gone after his 3rd yr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 All of those guys are currently under contracts, right? The cap goes up again next year, yes? Except for goodwill, there is no point in locking these guys up right now. I think the Jets set a pretty decent precedent by overpaying Harris that they'll be loyal. Ok, cool...like I said, I know nothing about the cap but seems like we might be in trouble 2-3 years down the road. So take the cap equation out, when has a massive FA signing frenzy actually paid off for a team? Can you provide an example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Ok, cool...like I said, I know nothing about the cap but seems like we might be in trouble 2-3 years down the road. So take the cap equation out, when has a massive FA signing frenzy actually paid off for a team? Can you provide an example? Almost all of these contracts had little to no guaranteed money after 2 years (still don't know about Cro). Even Revis. They front loaded everything, it seems, to take advantage of the huge cap we have now while not sacrificing the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Ok, cool...like I said, I know nothing about the cap but seems like we might be in trouble 2-3 years down the road. So take the cap equation out, when has a massive FA signing frenzy actually paid off for a team? Can you provide an example? Honestly, I don't know. What I do know is that this team now is better than it was at the end of 2014 and they had to spend the money. I think they've done so wisely, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bergenjets Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Ok, cool...like I said, I know nothing about the cap but seems like we might be in trouble 2-3 years down the road. So take the cap equation out, when has a massive FA signing frenzy actually paid off for a team? Can you provide an example? How much of what they've spent did they HAVE to spend? I'm not sure they would have been able to sit on their hands again based on cap floor rules. As has been stated, most of the contracts have been front loaded and none are kicking the can down the road, as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Honestly, I don't know. What I do know is that this team now is better than it was at the end of 2014 and they had to spend the money. I think they've done so wisely, as well. How much of what they've spent did they HAVE to spend? I'm not sure they would have been able to sit on their hands again based on cap floor rules. As has been stated, most of the contracts have been front loaded and none are kicking the can down the road, as far as I know. Almost all of these contracts had little to no guaranteed money after 2 years (still don't know about Cro). Even Revis. They front loaded everything, it seems, to take advantage of the huge cap we have now while not sacrificing the future. I hope you're right guys. I know nothing about how the cap works, so I'll take everyone's word for it. If everything is front loaded and doesnt screw them in a few years, great! That awesome work by Mac. Still doesnt ease my concerns about how historically this type of activity in FA has never actually worked for a team. But, at the end of they day, the roster is much stronger this year, so that's a good thing. Go Jets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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