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Meh. He gets mad when you call him dumb. Won't admit it but he does. Hence the default to herpa derp prolly gay.

He's letting you think you're winning and telegraphing that he already goofed you. I do the same thing, often, for the lulz.

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He's letting you think you're winning and telegraphing that he already goofed you. I do the same thing, often, for the lulz.

I've known him as long as you have dude. He's sitting in his basement right now, twirling his manbun and adjusting his waistband because it's chaifing from his belly hanging over it, burning incense and listening to Trey Anastasio bootlegs, while clicking back and forth between websites with hairy vajays and comic Wikipedia sites because he can't handle someone calling him out on not knowing something about a subject. Above him hangs a picture of that one time the football team let him hang out with them in high school, as well as his drumsticks which he really, REALLY will learn how to use this year.

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I've known him as long as you have dude. He's sitting in his basement right now, twirling his manbun and adjusting his waistband because it's chaifing from his belly hanging over it, burning incense and listening to Trey Anastasio bootlegs, while clicking back and forth between websites with hairy vajays and comic Wikipedia sites because he can't handle someone calling him out on not knowing something about a subject. Above him hangs a picture of that one time the football team let him hang out with them in high school, as well as his drumsticks which he really, REALLY will learn how to use this year.

I stand corrected, he was oooooooobviously not successful in trolling you.

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I've known him as long as you have dude. He's sitting in his basement right now, twirling his manbun and adjusting his waistband because it's chaifing from his belly hanging over it, burning incense and listening to Trey Anastasio bootlegs, while clicking back and forth between websites with hairy vajays and comic Wikipedia sites because he can't handle someone calling him out on not knowing something about a subject. Above him hangs a picture of that one time the football team let him hang out with them in high school, as well as his drumsticks which he really, REALLY will learn how to use this year.

 

 

This is a ferocious takedown. 

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Nobody knows what you're talking about, but not in the cool way.

It's a philosophical question really. I was just wondering out loud. You mentioned successful trolling. I mean, yeah, people on the Internet were trolled but is that really the definition of success in life?

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Quit queerin up the thread with all of these feelings and lets get back to talking about comic books, like men. RJF, is there any talks about remaking Ghost Rider into something worth watching? Always one of my favorite comics when I was a kid, really disappointed in what they trotted out their with Nic Cage, although I do love me some Sam Elliott.  That and what's the deal with the Thomas Jane and Punisher? Those shorts have been f*cking awesome, why can't they put a full length film like that together? Tx. Luv u guys. 

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Quit queerin up the thread with all of these feelings and lets get back to talking about comic books, like men. RJF, is there any talks about remaking Ghost Rider into something worth watching? Always one of my favorite comics when I was a kid, really disappointed in what they trotted out their with Nic Cage, although I do love me some Sam Elliott. That and what's the deal with the Thomas Jane and Punisher? Those shorts have been f*cking awesome, why can't they put a full length film like that together? Tx. Luv u guys.

I don't think so right now. Columbia made Spirit of Vengeance so they could hold on to the rights, no clue what the deal is going forward. I certainly wish they could make that work, Ghost Rider rocks and I have a Marvel Spotlight #5 which would be nice to finally get rid of. Really stagnant book that never gains value. The sh*tty movies certainly didn't help.

I think everything is up in the air with Frank Castle. It really looks like Daredevil was so successful that it changed the whole Defenders thing they were doing. There wasn't supposed to be a second season before it but it's happening, which is awesome. I think they'll try to sneak him in there somewhere. You can't not have the Punisher (and Spider-Man) in a series about Daredevil, so if it goes long enough we'll have to see him.

Agree 100% on Jane. The first Punisher flick has some decent moments and his portrayal of Castle is spot on. He's a little small for the role, but like D'Onofrio he's just so good you don't care. It was stupid to try and reboot that character. He wanted to come back and fans liked him.

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I don't think so right now. Columbia made Spirit of Vengeance so they could hold on to the rights, no clue what the deal is going forward. I certainly wish they could make that work, Ghost Rider rocks and I have a Marvel Spotlight #5 which would be nice to finally get rid of. Really stagnant book that never gains value. The sh*tty movies certainly didn't help.

I think everything is up in the air with Frank Castle. It really looks like Daredevil was so successful that it changed the whole Defenders thing they were doing. There wasn't supposed to be a second season before it but it's happening, which is awesome. I think they'll try to sneak him in there somewhere. You can't not have the Punisher (and Spider-Man) in a series about Daredevil, so if it goes long enough we'll have to see him.

Agree 100% on Jane. The first Punisher flick has some decent moments and his portrayal of Castle is spot on. He's a little small for the role, but like D'Onofrio he's just so good you don't care. It was stupid to try and reboot that character. He wanted to come back and fans liked him.

 

 

Bummer about Ghost Rider, he was one of my favorite super heroes growing up; Wolverine [the one who actually felt pain, got hurt and wasn't some indestructible force they made him], Ghost Rider, Blade [movies I and II made me all sorts of happy], Silver Surfer [he had this perpetual optimistic thing about him despite the fact that he constantly saw how petty and small minded everyone could be, but still tried to do good everywhere. It was the perfect combination of depression and optimism] and Punisher just because he was so god-damned badass.  I'm probably cocking up the whole order and forgetting a bunch, but it's nice to see Marvel get some things right with Daredevil and Captain America that I'll hold out some hope for these other guys getting a fair shake. 

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It's a philosophical question really. I was just wondering out loud. You mentioned successful trolling. I mean, yeah, people on the Internet were trolled but is that really the definition of success in life?

 

No it isn't.

 

It's an insecurity question.

 

There are people that break balls on teh internet to kill time and get laughs, and there are people who get there balls broken and need to convince themselves that while they may have been the butt of the joke, at least they are winning at life. 

 

Success in life... oy, lmfao.

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Quit queerin up the thread with all of these feelings and lets get back to talking about comic books, like men. RJF, is there any talks about remaking Ghost Rider into something worth watching? Always one of my favorite comics when I was a kid, really disappointed in what they trotted out their with Nic Cage, although I do love me some Sam Elliott.  That and what's the deal with the Thomas Jane and Punisher? Those shorts have been f*cking awesome, why can't they put a full length film like that together? Tx. Luv u guys. 

 

 

I loved it when Marvel brought the Ghost Rider character back. The artwork by Tex. The storyline was nothing short of a true American classic.

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No it isn't.

 

It's an insecurity question.

 

There are people that break balls on teh internet to kill time and get laughs, and there are people who get there balls broken and need to convince themselves that while they may have been the butt of the joke, at least they are winning at life. 

 

Success in life... oy, lmfao.

You lost me. This went over my head. 

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I've known him as long as you have dude. He's sitting in his basement right now, twirling his manbun and adjusting his waistband because it's chaifing from his belly hanging over it, burning incense and listening to Trey Anastasio bootlegs, while clicking back and forth between websites with hairy vajays and comic Wikipedia sites because he can't handle someone calling him out on not knowing something about a subject. Above him hangs a picture of that one time the football team let him hang out with them in high school, as well as his drumsticks which he really, REALLY will learn how to use this year.

 

 

Belly hanging over his waistband?  I picture him sneezing and breaking two ribs due to costal muscle atrophy caused by him being a smelly vegan.

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Bummer about Ghost Rider, he was one of my favorite super heroes growing up; Wolverine [the one who actually felt pain, got hurt and wasn't some indestructible force they made him], Ghost Rider, Blade [movies I and II made me all sorts of happy], Silver Surfer [he had this perpetual optimistic thing about him despite the fact that he constantly saw how petty and small minded everyone could be, but still tried to do good everywhere. It was the perfect combination of depression and optimism] and Punisher just because he was so god-damned badass. I'm probably cocking up the whole order and forgetting a bunch, but it's nice to see Marvel get some things right with Daredevil and Captain America that I'll hold out some hope for these other guys getting a fair shake.

The problem is they're all licensed out differently. FFour and X-Men to Fox, Ghost Rider to Columbia...etc. Marvel almost went broke about two decades ago so to raise capital they auctioned off the film rights to a lot of their properties. Sony hit the jackpot with Spider-Man and that blew the door open for all these other sh*tty iterations. As time has passed the studios realized that the profit is in the universes, not single movies, which is why you see cinematic universes beaten to death now. Characters like GR and Punisher and even Silver Surfer have unfortunately been victims of the misses on that first round, which even though you may have liked one or two, the receipts aren't there to justify the studios caring. Trust me, this is how I've put myself through grad school and afforded a wedding, the more hits for me the better because it drives the value of the books through the roof. I enjoy all of them for what they are, and some really are legitimately great films (Dark Knight, Winter Soldier, Dredd, Days of FP...etc), but it's definitely a disservice to some of the characters when they get left by the wayside.

I think a problem with The Punisher is that he's a hard sell. General audiences have seen so many iterations of the character. John McClane is The Punisher. Riggs is The Punisher. Paul Kersey, Peyton Westlake, Mad Max, Man on Fire; Punisher, Punisher, Punisher, Punisher. Granted, he's much more awesome, but awesome doesn't matter. Sales matter. And that's the difference between the comics and the movies. It's not just a matter of doing the character well.

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I loved the Flash, but I stopped after Daredevil. It just set the bar too high for me.

DD is the superior show there's no doubt about that. Did you watch the season finale last night for The Flash? It was really great, meanwhile Arrow has gone to complete sh*t.

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DD is the superior show there's no doubt about that. Did you watch the season finale last night for The Flash? It was really great, meanwhile Arrow has gone to complete sh*t.

No. I fell way behind. I know they're doing a whole universe with The Atom and a bunch of other DC characters on the show. I'm just hoping they don't oversaturate everything. DC has historically killed Marvel with TV and Arrow was clearly the best thing they ever did. Daredevil was such a game changer though. They have their work cut out for them for sure.

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I've known him as long as you have dude. He's sitting in his basement right now, twirling his manbun and adjusting his waistband because it's chaifing from his belly hanging over it, burning incense and listening to Trey Anastasio bootlegs, while clicking back and forth between websites with hairy vajays and comic Wikipedia sites because he can't handle someone calling him out on not knowing something about a subject. Above him hangs a picture of that one time the football team let him hang out with them in high school, as well as his drumsticks which he really, REALLY will learn how to use this year.

u forgot making bank and trolling pseudo intellectuals and their gimps online

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It's a philosophical question really. I was just wondering out loud. You mentioned successful trolling. I mean, yeah, people on the Internet were trolled but is that really the definition of success in life?

success in life is not defined by anything you do on a message board.. this is 100% entertainment and the minute it stops being so is the minute I bail

getting batman underoos in a bunch was 24 hrs of whimsical entertainment , no more, no less

the best part, is that as I guessed we simply defined "classic" differently.. that term to me is reserved for a small handful of works that have transcended genre, not one that redefined a narrow one .. it's not an indictment of merit, intellectual or otherwise, simply a revere for the relatively rare work that enters the laymen's vocabulary as a "classic"

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success in life is not defined by anything you do on a message board.. this is 100% entertainment and the minute it stops being so is the minute I bail

getting batman underoos in a bunch was 24 hrs of whimsical entertainment , no more, no less

the best part, is that as I guessed we simply defined "classic" differently.. that term to me is reserved for a small handful of works that have transcended genre, not one that redefined a narrow one .. it's not an indictment of merit, intellectual or otherwise, simply a revere for the relatively rare work that enters the laymen's vocabulary as a "classic"

I probably agree with your definition of a classic. You're still a wanker.

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Anyways, back to where we were before cockboy tried ruining the thread for a second time. Here's a comparative article on The Flash vs DD that popped up on Yahoo this week. Guy brings up some good points.

 

Who’s the best new superhero on TV? Who would win in a fight? Hard to say, but here's how their excellent rookie show seasons fared against each other

Mark Peters

Topics: TV, Flash, Daredevil, Marvel, DC Comics, Entertainment News

flash_daredevil.jpgGrant Gustin in "The Flash," Charlie Cox in "Daredevil" (Credit: The CW/Netflix)

I don’t think it’s a controversial statement to say that the two best live-action, non-humorous superhero TV shows ever appeared in the past year: “Daredevil” and “The Flash.” Though the starring heroes don’t have much in common other than a fondness for red, these series maintained a level of quality previously found only in the best superhero movies, like “The Dark Knight” and “Captain America: The Winter Soldier.”

But which was better?

Now that both are finished for the season, let’s find out if the Man Without Fear or the Fastest Man Alive had a better rookie season.

Acting

“The Flash” didn’t have much if any bad acting, and some performances were terrific—especially Tom Cavanagh as diabolical but not cartoony Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse Flash and Jesse L. Martin as Hall of Fame dad/cop Joe West. Also, Grant Gustin as Barry Allen pulled off the difficult trick of being a goody-goody hero you don’t want to punch, in the tradition of Christopher Reeve. “Daredevil” did have some bad acting—mostly by Elden Henson, who made for an insufferable Foggy Nelson. That said, “Daredevil” had two of the recent best performances in any TV genre by Charlie Cox and Vincent D’Onofrio (as Matt Murdock and Wilson Fisk). Daredevil is a boxer, lawyer, ninja, blind man, vigilante, and Catholic who feels every stab at his body and soul: Cox captured all of the above and more. But D’Onofrio stole the series, creating a Kingpin (Fisk’s nickname in the comics) who’s a vulnerable, sophisticated man-monster with a desperate, doomed desire to be a better person. Advantage: “Daredevil”

Hero-villain dynamic

Both shows pulled classic rivalries from the comics: Daredevil/Kingpin and Flash/ Reverse Flash. These rivalries featured well-developed foils who mirrored each other in ways that were compelling overall, though at times a little on the nose. “Daredevil” pounded the similarities between Fisk and Murdock (violent tendencies, dead fathers, messiah complexes) into our heads frequently and clumsily. The Flash and Reverse Flash, on the other hand, were linked by R-Flash’s mentorship of Barry and his murder of Barry’s mother, which slowly came to light over the season, along with the coolest time-travel shenanigans since season five of “Lost.” That was a more satisfying, if not subtle, approach. Advantage: “The Flash”

 

Costumes

Superhero costumes usually look silly in live action: it takes a sharp design to pull off something that’s faithful to the comics but not utterly absurd. For the bulk of “Daredevil,” the costume issue was dodged as a young Matt Murdock fought mob guys and ninjas in a homemade black getup that was, even after sober reflection, badass. When Murdock ultimately donned his horned cowl, he looked ludicrous. On the other hand, Barry Allen’s Flash suit debuted early and leaned toward the cool side of the preposterous spectrum. Advantage: “The Flash”

Tone

This is the most obvious contrast between the shows (besides the differing number of episodes: 13 for “Daredevil,” 23 for “The Flash”). Any CW show skews at least a little toward a teen audience, while being on Netflix allowed “Daredevil” to include borderline R-rated language and violence. “Daredevil” did some great things with the freedom—like the virtuosic episode two corridor fight—but it sometimes felt dark for the sake of being dark, as if grimness equaled quality. Like too many comics, “Daredevil” wallowed in its adolescent pain a little too often. Years of mega-bleak “Daredevil” comics are why Mark Waid and Chris Samnee’s current run—which has embraced swashbuckling fun—has been so refreshing. “The Flash” had a smart, seemingly effortless balance between family drama, Buffy-style monster-investigating, metahuman slugfests, and sci-fi adventure. Though a DC property, the tone of “The Flash” felt like Marvel at their best. Advantage: “The Flash”

Romance

TV writers enjoy love triangles more than my dog enjoys rolling in filth at the park, and “The Flash” took this tired, potholed route. For most of the season, Eddie Thawne dated Iris West, while poor Barry Allen pined for the woman who comics fans (and time travelers in the show) know will be his future wife. On “Daredevil,” the only major romance involved the villain Wilson Fisk and artist Vanessa Marianna. This crimelord-artist pairing was believable, heartfelt, and unusual for the superhero genre, while the Barry-Iris-Eddie foofaraw was a bit of an eye-roller. Advantage: “Daredevil”

 

Daddy issues/guilt

Matt Murdock’s father didn’t want to disappoint little Matt by taking a dive in a fight, so Battlin’ Jack Murdock won and was killed, orphaning Matt and giving him a lifetime of guilt. Barry Allen’s father has been in jail since being wrongly convicted of his wife’s murder, and Barry is still trying to clear him. Barry also carries around a ton of guilt, especially since he found out a future version of himself was there at the time of the murder. This one might be a wash. Advantage: Inconclusive

Faithfulness to the comics

This has zero to do with show quality, but it is fun to talk about, at least if you’re the kind of person who goes to comics conventions, which I am. Both shows came up with brand new plotlines while remaining extremely faithful to the spirit of the comics. Both had enough Easter eggs to give the Easter Bunny back problems, but “The Flash” wins for improbably bringing Gorilla Grodd to TV, alluding to the original event comic “Crisis on Infinite Earths,” and even throwing in the winged helmet of original Flash Jay Garrick. Advantage: “The Flash”

Season One Finale

The “Daredevil” season finale was a bit of a letdown: everything wrapped up extremely neatly, more like a so-so superhero story than the cool crime drama the show had been for most of the season. “The Flash” finale—well, I have to wipe away some tears, so excuse me for being a sap as well as a dweeb. I’m not sure all the time-travel stuff made sense, but the emotional beats were spot-on and heartbreaking. This episode felt cathartic and mythological: comic-booky in the best possible ways. Advantage: “The Flash”

The verdict

It hurts me to say this, because Daredevil is my favorite character in the comics, but I think “The Flash” was a better show by a slim margin. Arbitrary comparisons aside, I’m grateful that superhero comics are finally yielding great shows—and the future looks even brighter. Let’s hope forthcoming shows like “Supergirl,” “Iron Fist,” and “A.K.A. Jessica Jones” continue the trend.

Mark Peters is a freelance writer from Chicago. He writes jokes on Twitter and is a columnist for Visual Thesaurus and McSweeney's. He is also Comic Book Fella on Tumblr.

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